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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:03 PM Mar 2016

Mother Jones: Hillary Clinton Is Fundamentally Honest and Trustworthy

There are few things more clear than death, taxes and the fact that you just can't trust Hillary Clinton. Sure, Trump is a racist and Cruz is crazy, but they are not known as liars even though there is no shortage of bull that they are willing to sling. But Hillary? If there is one last issue where you can have bipartisanship it is that you cannot trust Hillary Clinton. It is irrelevant the fact that many fact checks given Hillary and Bernie similar scores, compared the dismal scores given to Trump and Cruz, we just know in our bones that Hillary is untrustworthy.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

Thus, the fact that a writer for Mother Jones has apparently lost his mind and suggested that Hillary is fundamentally honest and trustworthy is mind boggling. If the media is pursuing a narrative, then there must be at least some truth, because where there is smoke, there must be a fire. Heck, Susan Sarandon is willing to vote for Donald Trump, rather than Hillary Clinton, because his election and the suffering that ensues would more quickly bring about the revolution that we all crave.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/03/hillary-clinton-fundamentally-honest-and-trustworthy

As we all know, millennials don't care much for Hillary Clinton. That's okay. I'm on the other side of that particular fence, but there's plenty of room for honest differences about her views and whether they're right for the country—differences that I don't think are fundamentally rooted in age.

But there's one issue where I suspect that age really does trip up millennials: the widespread belief that Hillary isn't trustworthy. It's easy to understand why they might think this. After all, Hillary has been surrounded by a miasma of scandal for decades—and even if you vaguely know that a lot of the allegations against her weren't fair, well, where there's smoke there's fire. So if you're familiar with the buzzwords—Whitewater, Travelgate, Vince Foster, the Rose law firm, Troopergate, Ken Starr, Benghazi, Emailgate—but not much else, it's only human to figure that maybe there really is something fishy in Hillary's past.

But many of us who lived through this stuff have exactly the opposite view. Not only do we know there's almost literally nothing to any of these "scandals," we also know exactly how they were deliberately and cynically manufactured at every step along the way. We were there, watching it happen in real time. So not only do we believe Hillary is basically honest, but the buzzwords actively piss us off. Every time we hear a young progressive kinda sorta suggest that Hillary can't be trusted, we want to strangle someone. It's the ultimate proof of how the right wing's big lie about the Clintons has successfully poisoned not just the electorate in general, but even the progressive movement itself.

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As Abramson suggests, there are times when Hillary is her own worst enemy. The decades of attacks have made her insular and distrustful, and this often produces a lawyerly demeanor that makes her sound guilty even when she isn't. As a result, the belief in Hillary's slipperiness is now such conventional wisdom that it's almost impossible to dislodge. I just checked Memeorandum to see if anyone was discussing Abramson's piece, and I was unsurprised to find that it's gone almost entirely unnoticed.
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Mother Jones: Hillary Clinton Is Fundamentally Honest and Trustworthy (Original Post) TomCADem Mar 2016 OP
you must have got your memo late. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #1
Can you please link the refutal? athena Mar 2016 #13
It always amazes me that people who hide behind anonymous posts are so quick to question politicaljunkie41910 Mar 2016 #18
Hmmmmm, it's interesting they need to write articles saying she's trustworthy. revbones Mar 2016 #2
Hillary Clinton is fundamentally FOR war and fracking and the TPP and increased H-1B visas, to djean111 Mar 2016 #3
Wasn't this written by someone who has been supporting the Clintons for a long time? GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #4
Hillary was right when madaboutharry Mar 2016 #5
So the email where she tells an aide to remove confidential headers and... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #8
Did the right-wing conspiracy make her vote for the war in Iraq or for Wall Street over and over? reformist2 Mar 2016 #10
Most are "fundamentally honest" until something interferes with their self-affecting desires! nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #6
They can spin spin spin all day, but they can't erase her pro-war, pro-Wall Street voting record. reformist2 Mar 2016 #7
And Nixon was fundamentally not a crook. Power mad liar, yes. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #9
Did the right wing force her to vote for the IWR, sponsor flag burning legislation, or call marriage Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #11
When you have to tell people you're honest Kelvin Mace Mar 2016 #12
It's like Honest John, the used car salesman. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #14
History will probably record her as probably the most dishonest Jarqui Mar 2016 #15
How did the VRWC create Bosnian sniper fire? jeff47 Mar 2016 #16
She is.... blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #17

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
18. It always amazes me that people who hide behind anonymous posts are so quick to question
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:10 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary's honesty and trustworthiness. The puritist here never cease to amaze me. I'm certain most who have already replied didn't even bother to read the linked post. No, because they wouldn't want to hear anyone or anything that interferes with their narrative. I know what motivates the right wing hate mongers who have made a living at trying to destroy the Clintons for decades now, but I am no longer amazed at the crap I read here from the Clinton haters..

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
2. Hmmmmm, it's interesting they need to write articles saying she's trustworthy.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

I mean, it's completely normal to write an article about how trustworthy someone is right? We see those articles all the time right?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Hillary Clinton is fundamentally FOR war and fracking and the TPP and increased H-1B visas, to
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:09 PM
Mar 2016

name a few things I am fundamentally AGAINST. So this article, as it pertains to who I want to support, is fundamentally useless.

And, I might add, fundamentally dishonest and a bit cheesy, trying to explain away her issues, deeds, and utterances.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
5. Hillary was right when
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

she talked about a vast right wing conspiracy. People thought she was deflecting or else being paranoid. But it was and still is true. This crap with the emails is the new version of Whitewater.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
8. So the email where she tells an aide to remove confidential headers and...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:13 PM
Mar 2016

...send it as a fax unsecured are made up?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
7. They can spin spin spin all day, but they can't erase her pro-war, pro-Wall Street voting record.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:12 PM
Mar 2016

When you get right down to it, THAT'S the reason people don't trust her.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
11. Did the right wing force her to vote for the IWR, sponsor flag burning legislation, or call marriage
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

"a sacred bond between a man and a woman"?


No, the right wing did not.

People have trouble taking her as genuine because of her track record, not because they've been hypnotized and brainwashed.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
12. When you have to tell people you're honest
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

and get other people to claim you're honest, you probably aren't honest.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
15. History will probably record her as probably the most dishonest
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

Washington politician since Dick Nixon. But not nearly as good at it because she got caught so many times.

No contract article is going to change 25 years or so of that.

There is a reason 60% of Americans feel she is dishonest or untrustworthy. It's not because of Politifact, DU.com posters, any article or anyone else. Hillary Clinton earned that distinction all by herself with her behavior.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. How did the VRWC create Bosnian sniper fire?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

How did the VRWC create "DOMA was to fight off an amendment that no one had proposed"?
How did the VRWC create "Marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman.....until it isn't".
How did the VRWC declare the TPP "the gold standard" and then "not good enough"?
How did the VRWC create "Nancy Reagan did tons for HIV/AIDS"?

The VRWC created pseudo-scandals. And Clinton lies a lot. The first does not make the second disappear.

(Guess I'll just keep copy-n-pasting this each time this same article gets posted)

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