2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumApple Co-Founder Steve Wozniak just endorsed Bernie Sanders! Feeling the Bern!!
Woot!!
http://marshallreport.com/2016/03/29/apple-co-founder-steve-wozniak-just-endorsed-bernie-sanders-on-twitter/
And he did it on twitter.
Apple Co-founder Steve Wozniak tweeted his support for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders early Tuesday.
Down on Republicans and Democrats, Woz wrote. #Bernie2016 #FeelTheBern.
A few weeks ago Wozniak stated in an interview with Esquire magazine that he considers himself a civil rights believer devoted to privacy and human rights in an era of rapidly developing technology. To that end, he helped found the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a privacy and digital rights group.
In May, Sanders wrote a piece for Time calling on the government to end Orwellian surveillance of every American.
Wozniak seems to be feeling the Bern.
Wozniak is an inventor, electronics engineer, andcomputer programmer who single-handedly developed the 1976 Apple I, the computer that launched Apple. He primarily designed the 1977Apple II whilst Steve Jobs oversaw the development of its unusual case and Rod Holt developed the unique power supply.
Wozniak also made news for condemning the FBI call for a backdoor into Apple products a few weeks ago.
jfern
(5,204 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Tanuki
(14,919 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Protector of privacy.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)It's hard to keep track of who is demonized this week and who gets to ride in the Bernie Bus.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)I don't think 1%ers do it out of being evil... They do it out of being in a bubble of wealth they can't comprehend how the least of us live.
If a 1%er wants to join the revolution, we will welcome them with open arms. Bernie's campaign is about bringing people together not dividing them up.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)and they along with Wall Street need to bail out the middle class and the poor since we bailed them out after they trashed the economy.
After 30+ years of Golden Shower economics with our nation's wealth too heavily weighted to the less than 1% it's long past due.
dogman
(6,073 posts)Are they willing to pay more for the good of the people? Or do they want to pay to play.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Hope none of you have iphones or macs.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)What I love about Bernie is he's so, so smart
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)To get the numbers to add up. Either him or third-grade math teacher.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-health_us_56b25e8fe4b04f9b57d83008
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Try something different:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/14/why-a-wall-street-investor-endorsed-senator-bernie-sanders/
Why A Wall Street Investor Endorsed Senator Bernie Sanders March 14, 2016 9:23 am ·
Asher Edelman inspired the character Gordon Gekko in Oliver Stones 1987 film, Wall Street , played by Michael Douglas. The infamous stockbroker, who made a fortune buying and selling companies in distress, was recently asked on CNBCs Fast Money , who he would endorse for Bernie Sanders. His answer was surprising, but his reasoning is not:
Bernie Sanders, no question, said Edelman. , I think its quite simple again. If you look at something called velocity of money
That means how much gets spent and turns around. When you have the top one percent getting money, they spend five-ten percent of what they earn. When you have the lower end of the economy getting money, they spend a hundred, or a hundred and ten percent of what they earn. As youve had a transfer of wealth to the top, and a transfer of income to the top, you have a shrinking consumer base, basically, and you have a shrinking velocity of money.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/23/sanders-economic-plan-controversy
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Economist James K. Galbraith wrote a letter responding to the CEA criticisms, saying:
I respond here as a former Executive Director of the Joint Economic Committee the congressional counterpart to the CEA.
You write that you have applied rigor to your analyses of economic proposals by Democrats and Republicans. On reading this sentence I looked to the bottom of the page, to find a reference or link to your rigorous review of Professor Friedmans study. I found nothing there.
[. . .] [L]ets first ask whether an economic growth rate, as projected, of 5.3 percent per year is, as you claim, grandiose. There are not many ambitious experiments in economic policy with which to compare it, so lets go back to the Reagan years. What was the actual average real growth rate in 1983, 1984, and 1985, following the enactment of the Reagan tax cuts in 1981? Just under 5.4 percent. Thats a point of history, like it or not.
You write that no credible economic research supports economic impacts of these magnitudes. But how did Professor Friedman make his estimates? The answer is in his paper. What Professor Friedman did, was to use the standard impact assumptions and forecasting methods of the mainstream economists and institutions. For example, Professor Friedman starts with a fiscal multiplier of 1.25, and shades it down to the range of 0.8 by the mid 2020s. Is this not credible? If thats your claim, its an indictment of the methods of (for instance) the CBO, the OMB, and the CEA.
[. . .] It is not fair or honest to claim that Professor Friedmans methods are extreme. On the contrary, with respect to forecasting method, they are largely mainstream. Nor is it fair or honest to imply that you have given Professor Friedmans paper a rigorous review. You have not.
[. . .] What does the Friedman paper really show? The answer is quite simple, and the exercise is while not perfect almost entirely ordinary.
What the Friedman paper shows, is that under conventional assumptions, the projected impact of Senator Sanders proposals stems from their scale and ambition. When you dare to do big things, big results should be expected. The Sanders program is big, and when you run it through a standard model, you get a big result.
That, by the way, is the lesson of the Reagan era like it or not. It is a lesson that, among todays political leaders, only Senator Sanders has learned.
Again, When you dare to do big things, big results should be expected. The Sanders program is big, and when you run it through a standard model, you get a big result.
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Read the rest for yourself if you want to learn something about economics)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Are compared to the 2.5 million more Ordinary Americans who have voted for Clinton. One percenters are touted as oracles of truth while the votes of the base of the party are dismissed as not "smart" or part of the confederacy. It's interesting to see the value placed on wealth and celebrity over equality and the democratic rights of American citizens. Of course when people support a campaign that has openly announced its intention to win by overturning the popular vote, the reverence for the super rich makes perfect sense.
http://www.ibtimes.com/bernie-sanders-fantasy-campaign-hopes-win-hillary-clintons-pledged-delegates-unlikely-2338452
It also highlights the fact that the enemy from the start has not been the one percent or mega corporations like Apple but ordinary Democratic voters and the progressive organizations (PP. HRC, the Brady Campaign) and civil rights activists (Huerta, John Lewis, Black Lives Matter) who refuse to abide by the conviction that the demands of a self-entitled few trump the votes and rights of the majority.
The irony of denouncing Planned Parenthood, Dolores Huerta and the Mothers of the Movement as "establishment" and then championing the super rich who support Bernie exposes the hypocrisy of this so called "revolution" of one man's career.
As a counterpoint, I spoke to about a dozen Clinton voters in Milwaukee tonight. They don't Have $100 million like Bernie's pal Woz or four homes in NY like Sarandon, but their votes are every bit as important as the super rich who are celebrated on this site day in and day out. Bernie may not believe them smart and the upper-middle class and the extremely wealthy may insult them as "corporatist" shills, but their votes matter.
Posts like these and those championing Sarandon' statement in support of Trump, a racist billionaire, only highlight the vast chasm between what the Sanders campaign claims to stand for and what it and its supporters truly value.
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snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I don't understand your post at all.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Oh, I forgot, we don't count, only Hillary supporters are worthy in your eyes.
Women, minorities, anyone else who doesn't support the anointed one, we're invisible.
Little_Wing
(417 posts)Can't wait to vote for Bernie in June!
senz
(11,945 posts)Thanks, jillan!