I like that last part, but you do know about the electorate, right? Yeah, they supported the war unfortunately. And the GOP.

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pretend she did not join the majority of those she voted with. Your post is including congress, where we never get Presidential candidates from.

WOW.

Hillary turned her back on the MAJORITY of elected Democrats on Capital Hill,
and joined with the Republicans.
Truth,
whether you like it or not.

Hillary's cheer leading for the WAR was over the top.

She (and her supporters) claim she is great on Women's Issues and Children's issues,
but do you have ANY idea how many women and children she has participated in KILLING , maiming for life, or destroyed their homes in Iraq, Honduras, and Libya?
Far more than she has ever "helped".
I don't believe any of those hundreds of thousands (Millions) of women and children needed or wanted her kind of "help".

in congress, right? dishonest to imply it did.

that is no excuse for YOU doing it?

The overarching qualification for President is JUDGEMENT. And Hillary always seems to get it WRONG. That is not an opinion.
And Bernie seems to get it right.
What don't you understand about that?

Your whole argument is wrong headed. "Well, they all ate the poison, so that's a good reason to eat poison too."

It is a sucky job, so lets not pretend any of them is perfect.

Bernie voted AGAINST the Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq,
and spoke passionately about it.

He did vote to fund the soldiers once Hillary & the Republicans put them in harms way,
as ANY American should.
Maybe you think he should have abandoned them without food, medicine, and ammunition,
but that is pretty stupid.

rather than "join the majority"

And 19 of the 43 (44.2%) men who have been President served in the House (where we never get candidates from)

Conclusion, she is easily tricked.

is that I think she knew it was wrong but voted for it anyway, going with the more popular flow of the Democrats. A lot of them did that.

The ones who didn't--yes--had better judgment and a better moral compass. And I bet many of them are finding it easier to live with that critical decision at this point, knowing they tried.

It IS a real litmus test vote. Such a big mistake.

Sanders better get the nomination then for sure.

Ain't purity grand?

A cynical, dishonest IWR voter like Hillary doesn't deserve to be elected to anything.

100% agreed. I've made this point a number of times to my friends.

When you are on the wrong side of lincoln chaffee....you need to just give up and go do something else.

I believe John Kerry voted for the Iraq War. In 2004 he lost the presidency and we got "W" for four more years. Sometimes things are not as simple as they seem.

His War Vote hurt him, just like it hurts Hillary.
Ans sometimes, things ARE as simple as they seem.

Sometimes I wonder where DU's memory has gone?

ALOT of people hoped for most of their adult lives for a John Kerry presidency. Hunter Thompson and Gary Webb and just about anyone who knew his REAL record as the person who investigated and exposed more government corruption than any other lawmaker in modern history.

I'm a Sanders voter, but, having been an informed fan of Bernie's since he was mayor, I still couldn't say that he deserved the WH over a John Kerry - there just isn't ANY lawmaker alive right now who has had a genuinely more positive effect on this nation's REAL historic record than Kerry.

I think only people UNFAMLIAR with Kerry's entire body of service could make such an absurd statement as you just posted, bvar.

But....Rove certainly will chuckle.

I attended two Kerry campaign rallies in Minnesota, and he DRONED on and ON, arguing both sides of the issues, putting everybody to sleep with his wooden affect and presentation. His campaign rallies were about as exciting as the way he confronted the Swift Boaters....which was not at all. I voted for him anyway.

Then John Edwards followed, and woke up everybody to wild cheering.

Your gratuitous "Rove" reference at the end discounted your entire post.
Can't you just state your opinion without hurling insults?
You can't when you opinion won't stand on its own.

acknowledge Kerry's stellar contributions to the nation's REAL historic record.

I think idiots get turned on by bluster (like the Trump voters), and smart people get turned on by history's REAL statesmen who confront corruption no matter how dangerous. Apparently you have no gauge when it comes to finding excitement in those who TRULY and DEMONSTRABLY have had the most positive effect on this nation's REAL historic record.

I never said ANYTHING about his contributions, which were manifold
I DID say he was a horrible campaigner, wooden affect, droning voice, no inflection, didn't know how to "hit" a statement...he literally put people to sleep.
FACT.

Deny it to you heart's content, but the videos are forever.
Again, you attack me personally.
Well, when logic and history FAILS, personal atttacks is all you have,
and that is a FAIL too.

during a long campaign there will also be dud rallies - I sat through one of Obama's dud rallies in 2008, it didn't color how I viewed him, I am a human being who recognizes when another human being is being human. It's tiring over the course of a campaign, and, in Kerry's case, knowing it is NOT being widely covered in the press, let alone, televised, it probably makes it worse.

I also differentiated our standards of what we find exciting - I found just being in the same room with Kerry exciting because there isn't a lawmaker ALIVE who has had a more positive effect on this nation's REAL historic record.

Apparently, you are not wired like I am. Pretty sure Hunter Thompson and Gary Webb would nod their heads in agreement with my take.

someone who seems to get it right all the time?

Yea, that makes sense . . . (not).

Anyone saying "I trust the American people to choose their presidents" must have a memory span shorter than 11 years.

...only reason she didn't win the nomination was tactical errors with respect to Caucus States.

It's been non-stop since Desert Storm.

There are many issues.

But, if it helps, I don't think Donald Trump voted for the Iraq War. Or Carson, should he wake up and un-suspend.

People have moved on..

Almost since she started out high, she has been sinking
And ever since Bernie started out at the bottom, he has been rising.
She is a weaker candidate, the public doesn't like her and they don't trust her. The DONORS seem to, but the public doesn't.

Monday morning quarterbacking achieves nothing. The resolution was voted upon in the shadow of 9-11 with Bush, Cheney and Rice going around a frightened country talking about mushroom clouds. They also misrepresented their intent. They new they were lying when they sold the resolution on the grounds that it would pressure Saddam to accept full U.N. inspections. Bush and Cheney already decided that they were going to invade. I don't hold that vote against them. I would have voted the same. If you were a Senator of New York in the months after 9-11, most of us would have voted for the resolution if we choose to be honest with ourselves.

I remember yelling at the tv during Bush's "sixteen words" in the SOTU "that is KNOWN to be a lie". And it was.

Give me a fucking break. I was down there on the streets of san francisco protesting that turd. What were you doing at the time?

It is still relevant, imho. The biggest foreign policy clusterfuck in 50 years.

I dont consider it a dealbreaker now, but that doesnt mean it gets swept under the rug.

Voting when in shock and fear is a very bad thing, by accident or by design as in Shock Doctrine.

Iraq. Hillary got a great many things right, Bernie got the Gun thing pretty wrong.

There is a substantive difference between the two concepts.

Bernie voted for the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 that stated it should be US policy to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein and he voted for war appropriations for both Afghanistan and Iraq in 2001.