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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:25 PM Mar 2016

Hard Proof That Hillary Clinton Has Been Losing to Bernie Sanders for a Month Now

"The Democratic primary race changed fundamentally — indeed, radically — after March 1st, and the national media’s failure to register this and work it into their polling, projections, and punditry is one of the most wide-ranging, public, and ultimately influential journalistic failures of the last decade. In short, it’s the reason supporters of Bernie Sanders have been tearing their hair out reading national media coverage that reports, and glibly, that the Democratic primary race is effectively over.

So let’s expose that radical sea-change with some hard-data analysis, and thereby, for the first time, circumscribe the effects of the media’s failure to catch it."


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hard-proof-that-hillary-clinton-has-been-losing-to-bernie-sanders-for-a-month-now_b_9567212.html

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Hard Proof That Hillary Clinton Has Been Losing to Bernie Sanders for a Month Now (Original Post) NWCorona Mar 2016 OP
Wow! Okay. I can see that. longship Mar 2016 #1
excellent article, thanks grasswire Mar 2016 #2
Color me not concerned. Beacool Mar 2016 #3
I've been mumbling something quite similar for several weeks now. SheilaT Mar 2016 #4
In time for Wisconsin and NY? Don't think so. snowy owl Mar 2016 #9
Same old arguments in new dress cemaphonic Mar 2016 #5
It's a long game and hardly over NWCorona Mar 2016 #10
The Super-Delegates did not switch to Obama until the end jwirr Mar 2016 #11
This quantifiable change rings intuitively true, and it is good. senz Mar 2016 #6
K & R AzDar Mar 2016 #7
Good read quantass Mar 2016 #8
"the nation’s election “experts” are perpetually reporting “live” from March 1st, 2016." phantom power Mar 2016 #12
I question the word "losing" when she's way ahead... Orsino Mar 2016 #13

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Wow! Okay. I can see that.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

Certainly Bernie's performance in WA/AK/HI was way above projections. Added that his performance in other contests post Mar 1 show the same trends, and adding the early voting data, this article makes a good case.

At any rate, it is some optimism I plan to hang my hat on.

Meanwhile Clinton supporters make claims based on presumptions that are just no longer true.

We'll see, as the Zen Master said.

BTW, a great post of a great article.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. I've been mumbling something quite similar for several weeks now.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

I just don't write as well and don't do as good a job of marshaling spefic facts and numbers. I'm I'm very glad that someone else has.

Back when 538 was so totally wrong about what the outcome would be, I knew then that Nate Silver's problem wasn't one of whether or not he polled cell phones or younger voters, but that he just wasn't capturing the change that was occurring. This, from the article, sums it up quite well:

FiveThirtyEight.com predicted Sanders would win Alaska by 8, Hawaii by 8, and Washington by 17. I predicted Sanders would win each of these states by “between 35 and 50 points.” Sanders won Alaska by 63.2 points, Hawaii by 39.8, and Washington by 45.6. FiveThirtyEight.com predicted Clinton would win Illinois by 10 and North Carolina by 12; I said that these predictions were missing late polling data suggesting a momentum shift for Sanders — and indeed Illinois was decided by only 1.8 percent and Clinton only beat Sanders on Election day in North Carolina by 52 percent to 48 percent.


I suspect that Wisconsin and New York are going to be huge surprises all around.

And if Arizona redoes their vote, then whoa nellie!

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
9. In time for Wisconsin and NY? Don't think so.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:20 AM
Mar 2016

Had Bernie gotten the media attention he deserved, maybe. But we are actively involved in our politics and being informed. So many, many people are not. As much as my fingers are crossed and crossed again, I have my doubts. So hoping I'm wrong.

I'm in WA and caucuses helped because caucuses attract informed and involved voters. Primaries attract people who vote often for name recognition. It pains me to say this and I'm hoping I'm wrong.

I'm watching Kasich on CNN Town Hall - he was way behind but the right has given so many more opportunities for all their candidates to be vetted than the left, he's now catching up I think. Numbers not great I know but with each presentation, he gets stronger. You don't constantly hear the delegate count on the right. The Democrats are being as protective as possible to Hillary.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
5. Same old arguments in new dress
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:50 AM
Mar 2016

1) "Momentum" is more important than delegate count.

2) Clinton's wins in the South don't matter.

Plus the article is just wrong. Depending on the final allocation, the post-Super Tuesday delegate gap has barely budged, and may have even expanded Clinton's lead by 10-20 delegates. A tie, when you are that far behind is losing ground, not winning (especially when you take 12 states off the table, including your strongest)

These "Bernie is secretly winning" articles are just embarrassing. I like it better when Dems remember that we are supposed to be the reality-based community.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. The Super-Delegates did not switch to Obama until the end
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

of the election. In past years most Super-Delegates did not even come into it until the Convention. And this election most Super-Delegates endorsed Hillary while she was the only one running and they considered her inevitable.

Personally I want to get rid of Super-Delegates all together as they use their power to not only override the voters at the convention but also to influence the whole voting process.

Where is that democracy?

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
13. I question the word "losing" when she's way ahead...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

... but Sander's trend throughout the primary has been toward greater recognition and support, and it's good to see.

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