2016 Postmortem

snowy owl

(2,145 posts) Wed Mar 30, 2016, 03:26 AM Mar 2016

David Brock at it again.

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Does anybody believe this? More David Brock. If Clinton had to pay for all her presence on MSNBC, her campaign would be out of funds.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/18/study-trump-the-only-candidate-to-swamp-the-sun/209363

Then there's this:

REHM: All right. So Bernie Sanders and his presentation, as you look at that, Frank Sesno, is it all the media that have simply decided he could not beat Hillary Clinton and therefore have sort of pushed him out of the way? 10:25:36

SESNO: Well, of course, it's not just the media. I mean, I -- obviously, this is the background noise from a lot of the political chattering class as well. It's coming from within many in the Democratic Party. But those in the Democratic Party who are offering that are Hillary Clinton's loyalists. And there are lots -- and have been lots of pieces, I think, on how Hillary Clinton herself is a weak and vulnerable candidate at a lot of different levels. So there has been that coverage. 10:26:01

SESNO: What concerns me about the Sanders coverage is the relative profile of it. Where is it placed? How often do we hear it? Especially in talk television and talk radio, which drives so much of the coverage agenda and represents the disproportionate amount of information that Americans get. Sanders is below the fold, if I can use that term, in that context. And his issue mix doesn't go much beyond, in most of that coverage, who he's appealing to, the demographics... 10:26:25

JAMIESON: The media should not, until we have the numbers to suggest that he cannot get the nomination, should not be writing him off. By not providing him access and not covering what he is doing in the same proportion as Hillary Clinton, it is in effect creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that's unfair. It's a tendency of the press overall to treat the candidate who's behind in the polls that way, the candidate who's behind in the delegate counts that way. But, in the process, it's narrowing the chances for the electorate to understand these candidacies. The same is true, by the way, of John Kasich. 10:27:08

RUTENBERGAnd, you know, I found myself watching the coverage a couple days ago on Bernie and it was about the delegates, the math that can't get him there. And I was like, oh, that's okay. The math isn't there. And then I said, wait a minute. I've been -- I was hearing the same thing about Trump six months ago. Why am I believing it now? And so we, as a news media, have we learned nothing? Is it time to question -- we -- my new rule going forward, question every assumption about everything. 10:28:25

https://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2016-03-29/controversy-over-media-coverage-of-the-2016-presidential-race

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Highlight:

David Brock at it again. (Original Post) snowy owl Mar 2016 OP

Some are so blinded by what they want that they cannot see the truth. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #1

Not sure - agreeing with post or disagreeing snowy owl Mar 2016 #2

She has. Firebrand Gary Mar 2016 #3

You realize that most of that was by her own choice, right? bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #5

Brock is a crock. Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #4

Why is Hillary afraid to take questions from reporters? Is she afraid of being asked ... Scuba Mar 2016 #6

She's afraid of the truth. PonyUp Mar 2016 #8

I think so. She can live in a bubble now. snowy owl Mar 2016 #15

Well Brock is effective in fooling Gwhittey Mar 2016 #7

Brock is a good reason to not support Hillary in the primaries - Fire Brock ... Impedimentus Mar 2016 #9

That is only true if you have morals. Gwhittey Mar 2016 #12

Hillary has less because she couldn't rope in talk show hosts pinebox Mar 2016 #10

Is that a Trump thing? Gwhittey Mar 2016 #13

This is the kind of thing FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #11

It is a disgrace that these shows take phone interviews only from Trump BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #14

Gregory is now a paid analyst for CNN. snowy owl Mar 2016 #16

Ugh Califonz Mar 2016 #17

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)

1. Some are so blinded by what they want that they cannot see the truth.

Reply to snowy owl (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:00 AM

Mar 2016

The bubble is a powerful thing in primary politics, you only focus on your own sphere and lose focus on the greater purpose. I'm so tired of the different standards and treatment of Hillary.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)

2. Not sure - agreeing with post or disagreeing

Reply to Firebrand Gary (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:04 AM

Mar 2016

Not sure if you think Hillary is getting a raw deal here? Would you mind explaining? surely you don't think she's gotten the least coverage of all?

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)

3. She has.

Reply to snowy owl (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:11 AM

Mar 2016

Let's note the obvious, the GOP has received the vast majority of coverage thus far-especially trump. Hillary has received the least exposure of all the candidates. In fact, the Sunday shows are the worst.

Even Sanders this week, MSNBC carried his entire Safeco field speech. They even talked it up with cameras rolling for an hour ahead of time. Hillary does not receive that treatment.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)

5. You realize that most of that was by her own choice, right?

Reply to Firebrand Gary (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:00 AM

Mar 2016

She can go on any of those shows whenever she wants...note the time frame used in the chart...she chose when to jump on TV, and it was long after Jan 2015. Plus she gets much more coverage in general than Bernie, she just doesn't do personal interviews, again, by choice.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)

4. Brock is a crock.

Reply to snowy owl (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 04:23 AM

Mar 2016

The self-fulfilling prophecy comment is interesting, though.

By not providing (Sanders) access and not covering what he is doing in the same proportion as Hillary Clinton, it is in effect creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. And that's unfair. --JAMIESON, from the OP

The thing that delights me is that the Corrupt Media's "self-fulfilling prophecy" failed, spectacularly.

They ignored Sanders, and ignored Sanders, and ignored Sanders, he'd win a smashing victory like NH, and they'd ignore him some more, and ignored him some more, and ignored him some more, and might as well have thrown him into a cosmic black hole out of which no light can emerge, then he tied her (and probably beat her) in Iowa against all expectations, and...ad nauseum, pretty much to this day. Each time he has triumphed over their "self-fulfilling prophecy," they've set the bar higher as to what a serious candidate should be doing (way higher bar than for most of the Pukes, too, who become "serious candidates" with 2% of the vote). Sanders is now chugging along, blowing Clinton away by 70%, 80%, in the recent states, and he's still treated like a MINOR ANNOYANCE to the Queen of Goldman Sachs!

It's almost comical.

And Brock. Brock. His civil rights photograph/John Lewis thing was a masterpiece. But he shouldn't have wasted it on the Confederacy. Should've saved it for New York. Now he's got, literally, nothing. (And he didn't have that for long.) What's he gonna do when Sanders hits Brooklyn? I've got it! I've got it! Sanders, as a kid, left some dirty graffitti in that tenement in Brooklyn, and even signed it. It's still there. It's been discovered. It's sexist. It's offensive to Barbara Streisand. It goes viral. Back in the saddle again!

Scuba

(53,475 posts)

6. Why is Hillary afraid to take questions from reporters? Is she afraid of being asked ...

Reply to snowy owl (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:22 AM

Mar 2016

... about the Goldman Sachs transcripts?

Is she afraid of being asked about her calls to intervene in Syria?

Is she afraid of being asked about her on-again, off-again support for equal marriage rights?

What is she afraid of?

PonyUp

(1,680 posts)

8. She's afraid of the truth.

Reply to Scuba (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:38 AM

Mar 2016

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)

15. I think so. She can live in a bubble now.

Reply to Scuba (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:25 PM

Mar 2016

She doesn't have to be beholden to anyone. She's received the majority of free ads and time and name recognition carries her carries her along with the rest. I hear she's still giving Bernie a hard time with the NY debate. She doesn't want him being heard. A lot of apolitical people are curious and hearing Bernie is a threat at this point.

I wish we had European style campaigns where there is a time limit on the campaign and people spend the rest of the time DOING THEIR JOBS for the people. And we think we are exceptional. Amazing.

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)

7. Well Brock is effective in fooling

Reply to snowy owl (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:26 AM

Mar 2016

People who are gullible. Just look at one replies in this thread who think media are unfair to poor Hillary.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)

9. Brock is a good reason to not support Hillary in the primaries - Fire Brock ...

Reply to Gwhittey (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:46 AM

Mar 2016

and show some integrity !!!

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)

12. That is only true if you have morals.

Reply to Impedimentus (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:57 AM

Mar 2016

But if you are Hillary supporter who does not care about Honesty or running a clean campaign then Brock is actually been effective. He has been able to lie about Sanders being racist and it has worked on African American community, so no way Hillary is going to fire him. You are saying something based on your moral standpoint and not from standpoint of someone who will do anything to win.

pinebox

(5,761 posts)

10. Hillary has less because she couldn't rope in talk show hosts

Reply to snowy owl (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:16 AM

Mar 2016

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)

13. Is that a Trump thing?

Reply to pinebox (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:58 AM

Mar 2016

IS that they media box I hear about happening at Trump events?

Edit: Whoops my bad I did not look at the last photo. That is Hillary then. Crap had me fooled I thought it was Trump rally and how he made media stay in a blocked off area.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)

11. This is the kind of thing

Reply to snowy owl (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:17 AM

Mar 2016

that effectively dispels the myth that Clinton is dishonest and untrustworthy. Oh, wait. It does the opposite.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)

14. It is a disgrace that these shows take phone interviews only from Trump

Reply to snowy owl (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:09 AM

Mar 2016

It is a way for him to say that he's in charge, and they all go along with it. Even Meet the Press, which used to have some stature pre David Gregory and Chuck Todd.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)

16. Gregory is now a paid analyst for CNN.

Reply to BernieforPres2016 (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:28 PM

Mar 2016

Wonder if they will have buyer's remorse.

Califonz

(465 posts)

17. Ugh

Reply to snowy owl (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:37 PM

Mar 2016

95% of the reason I prefer Bernie right there.

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