2016 Postmortem

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts) Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:54 AM Mar 2016

AZ confirms massive voter disenfranchisement - thousands of provisional votes to be counted

Reagan answered “yes” when asked if she knew for certain voter registration had been changed prior to the primary election, then followed up by saying:

“This was something that I know happens, and I know it happened to people in this room. It’s not hearsay. It happened to someone in my own office. One of my employees was registered as a particular party, went to go vote, and I don’t want to divulge his personal details, but it happened to him.”

http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-election-fraud-primary/

She couldn't explain why it happened, and they are investigating it, saying that they'll accept provisional votes from people that had their party affiliation switched to independent right before the election... which means that potentially thousands of new votes will have to be counted...

But of course many many many people gave up trying to vote on election day, or didn't use a provisional ballot because they were told it would not be counted.

So basically, the election is a sham. Whomever eventually is declared winner is going to have a big * next to the win, and many thousands of Arizonians are going to get agitating to have a revote for the foreseeable future, which IMO is probably the only fair outcome.

At any rate, this is far far far from being over.

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AZ confirms massive voter disenfranchisement - thousands of provisional votes to be counted (Original Post) EdwardBernays Mar 2016 OP

It is time for the FBI to be all over this. Investigate and PROSECUTE the people who did this. peacebird Mar 2016 #1

Trusting the FBI...? EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #2

Better than trusting the state election officials, had you heard Anonymous is looking into it also? peacebird Mar 2016 #3

I had EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #7

I can tell you from experience, the FBI does jack shit. bettyellen Mar 2016 #20

Counting the Provisional Ballots could flip the state. Sky Masterson Mar 2016 #4

It's worth noting EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #8

if this keeps happening and always benefitting the same person. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #5

IF....? peacebird Mar 2016 #12

Citizens of Arizona who protested marions ghost Mar 2016 #6

+ 1,000 suffragette Mar 2016 #18

hmm. could we be looking at a bernie win? restorefreedom Mar 2016 #9

That's not the point ibegurpard Mar 2016 #11

the point is to get every vote counted restorefreedom Mar 2016 #15

I'd guess no EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #13

true. the ones who left are not included restorefreedom Mar 2016 #14

And Hillary says nothing ibegurpard Mar 2016 #10

Good. They should count every single provisional ballot Dem2 Mar 2016 #16

Is there an estimate or count on the number of provisional ballots per party? LonePirate Mar 2016 #17

Not that I have seen EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #19

peacebird

(14,195 posts)

1. It is time for the FBI to be all over this. Investigate and PROSECUTE the people who did this.

Reply to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:01 AM

Mar 2016

Jail time for voter suppression and fraud. Someone switched voter affiliation intentionally. The only truly independent investigation and audit can be done by the FBI.

Root out who did the deed, then move up the food chain to find who said to do it.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)

2. Trusting the FBI...?

Reply to peacebird (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:02 AM

Mar 2016

ha... well... sure, they ARE better than the AZ government...

peacebird

(14,195 posts)

3. Better than trusting the state election officials, had you heard Anonymous is looking into it also?

Reply to EdwardBernays (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:04 AM

Mar 2016

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)

7. I had

Reply to peacebird (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:20 AM

Mar 2016

Though I don't know the state of that currently.

And yes definitely better than state officials.

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)

20. I can tell you from experience, the FBI does jack shit.

Reply to peacebird (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:29 PM

Mar 2016

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)

4. Counting the Provisional Ballots could flip the state.

Reply to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:06 AM

Mar 2016

They ARE votes placed by people screwed over by the system

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)

8. It's worth noting

Reply to Sky Masterson (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:21 AM

Mar 2016

That many many people gave up and didn't vote... Which means the election will always be inaccurate... Which is very sad.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)

5. if this keeps happening and always benefitting the same person.

Reply to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:08 AM

Mar 2016

What will happen then?

peacebird

(14,195 posts)

12. IF....?

Reply to Cobalt Violet (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:24 AM

Mar 2016

There have been numerous irregularities in many states.... All benefitting the same person.

Crickets.

Except the probs were SO blatant in Az that people got up and fought back. We need to keep up the pressure on ALL irregularities moving forward!

Because there WILL be more, people who checked in Pa and NY already reports their voter affiliation was switched.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)

6. Citizens of Arizona who protested

Reply to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:10 AM

Mar 2016

we'll be watching

suffragette

(12,232 posts)

18. + 1,000

Reply to marions ghost (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:49 AM

Mar 2016

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

9. hmm. could we be looking at a bernie win?

Reply to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:22 AM

Mar 2016

if the exit polls are correct, he had AZ. this could be a uuuuuge game changer

and part of the reason team clinton has gone beserk with lies and smears of bernie

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)

11. That's not the point

Reply to restorefreedom (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:24 AM

Mar 2016

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

15. the point is to get every vote counted

Reply to ibegurpard (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:30 AM

Mar 2016

but in some instances it could change outcome

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)

13. I'd guess no

Reply to restorefreedom (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:25 AM

Mar 2016

Not through provisional ballot counting.

With a revote maybe.

I say that because many many many people abandoned voting. So they can't be counted now.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

14. true. the ones who left are not included

Reply to EdwardBernays (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:29 AM

Mar 2016

only a revote would catch them.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)

10. And Hillary says nothing

Reply to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:23 AM

Mar 2016

Her silence on this says more than any actual statements she makes about snything.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)

16. Good. They should count every single provisional ballot

Reply to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:21 AM

Mar 2016

I'm assuming that the person in her office was a Republican so this happened to many voters on both sides of the aisle. I'm sure these voters weren't all for the same candidate and that a few thousand ballots won't change the outcome (Hillary won by 72,000 votes, Trump by 118,000 votes), but it could possibly change a few delegates which might end up mattering on both sides of the aisle.

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)

17. Is there an estimate or count on the number of provisional ballots per party?

Reply to EdwardBernays (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:46 AM

Mar 2016

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)

19. Not that I have seen

Reply to LonePirate (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 01:28 PM

Mar 2016

But if I see one I'll post it.

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