2016 Postmortem

FourScore

(9,704 posts) Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:28 AM Mar 2016

White House Petition for an AZ Revote (sign it!!) and How I Know Revotes Can Happen

There is a White House petition for an AZ REVOTE. It currently has just over 60,000 signatures - please DU that thing! No matter if you are a democrat, republican, independent, Bernie supporter, Clinton supporter...too many people were shut out. It appears election fraud occurred, but even if it was all random bad luck, there needs to be a do-over. Here's the link:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-revote-arizona-primary-due-voter-suppression

The meme I have seen on certain websites is that re-elections never happen. I am here to tell you they can, they do and why.

In the mid 1960's, Jimmy Carter ran for the first time in his life for office - the GA state legislature in the district where my family was living. It appeared he would win easily, although he had an opponent - a man known to be a white supremacist. Surprisingly, the other fellow won by an enormous margin. Everyone assumed that ballot stuffing was involved, but such cases are difficult to prove. Carter turned to my father for legal council. They took it court, during which time an unopened ballot box was discovered. They popped it open in court and saw the ballots still rolled up together for the opponent. No one had even bothered to unroll them. The judge ruled for a re-vote, and Carter won with a landslide victory. Can you imagine how history may have been altered if that revote had never happened?

DEMAND A RE-VOTE IN ARIZONA!!!

(This is all documented in Carter's book Turing Point, also on the "American Perspective" documentary on Carter, as well as other sources.)

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White House Petition for an AZ Revote (sign it!!) and How I Know Revotes Can Happen (Original Post) FourScore Mar 2016 OP

Slacktivism at it's finest brooklynite Mar 2016 #1

This is a valid point that the WH has no jurisdiction, but it doesn't matter. FourScore Mar 2016 #2

Dear Petitioner: brooklynite Mar 2016 #5

I SIGNED IT... SIGN IT AND PASS IT AROUND AND THEN LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS... CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #3

Thank you!! n/t FourScore Mar 2016 #4

k&r tk2kewl Mar 2016 #6

Signed! LP2K12 Mar 2016 #7

I signed it a few days ago, K&R (nt) Babel_17 Mar 2016 #8

The President has no authority over state elections. MineralMan Mar 2016 #9

Surely we can send a message to the White House any way we choose. Punkingal Mar 2016 #12

You can do anything you wish to do. MineralMan Mar 2016 #14

Nothing stops you, oh wise one! Punkingal Mar 2016 #15

signed. Punkingal Mar 2016 #10

I will sign the petition but I think we need to do something jwirr Mar 2016 #11

I wish that could happen, but they won't change it this time around. Punkingal Mar 2016 #13

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)

1. Slacktivism at it's finest

Reply to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:51 AM

Mar 2016

The President has no authority to order a State to hold a new election, and no candidate has challenged the results of the election. But some people will feel that they've accomplished something by "signing" an online petition, rather than actually having to explain their concerns in their own letter or email.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)

2. This is a valid point that the WH has no jurisdiction, but it doesn't matter.

Reply to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:56 AM

Mar 2016

We need to pound this from every angle. After 100,000 votes, the WH must, at least, respond.

We cannot just accept this this kind of election fraud anymore. Let's be clear, it WILL happen again. Registered voters in NY and CA who support Bernie are already finding their voter registration has been erased or their party switched.

We must keep fighting it.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)

5. Dear Petitioner:

Reply to FourScore (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:10 AM

Mar 2016

The White House has received your petition requesting a re-vote of the Arizona Primary.

Please be advised that, under the governing structure of the United States Constitution, the Federal Government, and in particular the President, does not have the authority to intervene in the nominating process of a Political Party, nor to mandate to a State Government that it hold an election over. The Federal Government may enforce the terms of the Voting Rights act and invoke civil and criminal penalties on violators, upon receipt of a complaint that a violation has occurred. No such complaint has been made to date.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)

3. I SIGNED IT... SIGN IT AND PASS IT AROUND AND THEN LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS...

Reply to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:59 AM

Mar 2016

NEED ABOUT 30K MORE TO GET WH ACTION!

FourScore

(9,704 posts)

4. Thank you!! n/t

Reply to CorporatistNation (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:00 AM

Mar 2016

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)

6. k&r

Reply to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:24 AM

Mar 2016

LP2K12

(885 posts)

7. Signed!

Reply to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:39 AM

Mar 2016

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)

8. I signed it a few days ago, K&R (nt)

Reply to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:53 AM

Mar 2016

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

9. The President has no authority over state elections.

Reply to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:54 AM

Mar 2016

None. If you want to do something about the Arizona primary, you'll have to do it in Arizona courts. Petitions like this one are a waste of everyone's time. All they result in is the White House saying it has no authority over state elections.

Surely there is an effort in Arizona you could support in some way.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)

12. Surely we can send a message to the White House any way we choose.

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:00 AM

Mar 2016

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

14. You can do anything you wish to do.

Reply to Punkingal (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:07 AM

Mar 2016

I'm pointing out that it is a waste of time to petition the White House on issues over which it has no control.

Surely I can point that out any way I choose, right?

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)

15. Nothing stops you, oh wise one!

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:43 AM

Mar 2016

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)

10. signed.

Reply to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:59 AM

Mar 2016

jwirr

(39,215 posts)

11. I will sign the petition but I think we need to do something

Reply to FourScore (Original post)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:00 AM

Mar 2016

to prevent this from happening in the up coming primaries. The caucus states will have more trouble cheating and they are often open to all.

I think we should make sure that NY and CA and the other primaries are open. I know that flies in the face of what exists now but if we can prove that what happened in AZ was done deliberately then the easiest way to prevent it in any other precinct would be open primaries.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)

13. I wish that could happen, but they won't change it this time around.

Reply to jwirr (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:02 AM

Mar 2016

Maybe next election.

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