gotta love it....

I would have supported Bernie... no contest

Thank you, tk2kewl.

Who talks about raising taxes on the rich anymore, anyway?

Obama is NOT Hillary. Obama doesn't make up stories, mingle with Blackwater, or Kissenger. Obama didn't cheat during the primaries either. Obama didn't have FBI investigations going on. If he had I would have reconsidered my vote for Obama.

Those folks should have gotten busy finding or creating an array of candidates they saw as sufficiently liberal for 2016.

The endless complaining about Obama for the last 7 years and about Hillary for the last year did nothing to generate the alternatives the disgruntled demand.

Sanders would have been crushed if he tried to primary Obama.

millions of votes and a very hefty percentage.

Utter waste of time.

By the way, there was absolutely NO EFFORT spent on a primary in 2012. It was a few offhand remarks on a radio show.

And be honest ... Bernie was not the "movement's" 1st choice.

The "movement" wanted Warren initially. But she turned them down. And if Bernie did not step up, there would have been no one else.

For all the complaining about Obama (and Hillary) the "movement" did nothing between 2011 and 2015 to turn Bernie, or anyone else into a strong 2016 national candidate who could beat Hillary.

So in that regard, I do agree there was NO EFFORT.

when their elected officials take actions they do not agree with, well okay.

That's certainly a horrible trait of a democracy.

... in a free society ...

I suspect that after Hillary wins the primary and the General ... the pattern will repeat itself.

Lots of on-line ranting, with little actual effort to develop an array of "acceptably liberal" candidates for the future.

But it is kind of hard to field candidates when the Dem Party tried to undercut them if they do not fit the centrist mold.

I really like Obama as a person and a President. I think he has been great. I agree with him on social issues. I disagree with him a good deal on trade and foreign policy.

If Bernie had run in the Democratic Primary against Obama in 2012, I would have supported him. He would have never had a chance. Obama is far too popular and was a sitting President. BUt, I would have liked to see if it could have shaped the debate.

is a disappointment. I'd prefer that to him running now, honestly.

I don't think it's ageist to suggest that he would not have the energy then, & that people might not want to support someone who will be in his 80s by the end of his term.

As to the OP, I would definitely not have supported Bernie in 2012. Indeed, I'd probably vote for Obama this year if he could have run again.

aside from him or Warren. If there is popular support for it and Clinton is half as bad as they claim, I could see supporting that. But those are two big ifs.

that there were investigations by Clinton supporters to primary Obama in 2012?

They came to their senses, but there were exploratory efforts made.

Hillary had influenced Obama in making most of his mistaken FP in his first term. I'd probably say no because he did get rid of her for his next term.

I've been a Bernie fan since he was mayor of Burlington, years before I even heard of Obama or Clinton.

Obama has been a big letdown. I've always liked Sanders as a person and his agenda, and Clinton was unacceptable in 2008 and is even more so now. Her performance as SoS was nothing short of absurd.

Interesting ...

It was an allusion ...

Click

Last I checked we do not have a right of succession so I could and do support President Obama and Bernie.

Obama said we had to "hold his feet to the fire."

A primary challenge would have done as he suggested.

Honestly it must be hard for some to understand but between Obamacare, financial reform and infrastructure spending, Obama's legislative achievements have touched my life, my families life and the lives of millions others like us for the better. He's a hero to us on that account and every time the left tries to diminish him they look out of touch and push people like me away. the left is always shitting on moderate or mainstream Dems but it's counterproductive. Liberals need the help of moderates to get anything passed. So every time a big liberal attacks moderate Dems it looks like they are more interested in feel good posturing than they are in actual victories that make life better for people like me.

for a myriad of reasons...but happy to participate in all sort of other polls and opinions that pose similarly unlikely and improbable situations. I can't imagine why they are afraid to state their opinion?

Sanders had no intention of "primarying" Obama, and there were no notable efforts by those wacky folks on "the left" to challenge him either.

What will they be tomorrow? Or even this afternoon? nt

Obama was weak at the time and the party was in a shambles running scared from the POTUS.

Back in 2008, he was my last choice even before Hillary.

There were many reasons why.

-Lack of a record
-Voting record in the Senate did not show any controversial positions. Controversial legislation were voted with "Present" rather than "Yay or Nay"
-Did not like his method of delivery in speeches which sounded like a preacher to me, so it did not give me much information. Bill Clinton was more informative.
-Clinton was my second to the last choice. I didn't like her at all back in 2008, though I actually had a better view on her during the start of the 2016 primaries.
-Clinton had more contacts and the pre-existing infrastructure to execute the law the way she wants it. I consider this one of her strengths and one of the reasons I think she could be effective as President. Unfortunately, due to her debates lately, I question her grasp on history and issues, as such, that might be a net negative. I don't know yet.
-At the time, in regards to the 2008 primaries, I was any one except Obama and Clinton. I was so depressed when they were the front runners and lost all motivation in the General Election for helping out. That was, until Palin came along and made my choice easy.
-Then, before 2012 he extended the Bush tax cuts for a measly deal. I was prepared to pay higher taxes.

There are more and more reasons for it really. I did not like Obama in the beginning of his Presidency, but I am content with him now, considering that he has accomplished quite a lot with his opposition, though I think he could have mitigated much damage if he pushed harder in the beginning. That unfortunately is speculation and so can not be substantiated, but it is how I feel.

The idea is, that the Democratic base will vote for the eventual nominee. In fact, I will too, but the issue is the enthusiasm and energy they would provide for volunteering, defending and so forth. When Obama won the primaries, I lost all enthusiasm for politics. I started donating again once Palin part of the equation. Then, each time Obama gave the Republicans more and more of what they wanted, and chastised Democrats for not going along with bad deals, I lost it again and felt less and less engaged as he depressed me with the passage of bills that would not have gone through in Reagan and Bush I and IIs era. Democrats were engaged and willing to fight. 2010 is indicative of that depression in the elections.

I was finally feeling better about him on his 2nd term, but it is tepid in comparison to before. I would have been happy with a 2012 primary to see if it could move Obama to more progressive values and to show him that he really should fight for us more. He did on about quarter of the way in his second term, which is why, like I said, on balance he did very well.

I think it would be nice however to have a departure from his style and find someone who is more willing to fight for what is right, rather than give in at the beginning.

I never subscribed to Obama's Hope and Change rhetoric as I thought it was empty. I never saw a back-up for the wave of adulation and aspirations that people pinned on him. Like I mentioned, he did not have much of a record, his record did not show any courage in taking a stand on controversial positions, and I tend to be wary of those who seem to preach rather than educate.

This, is why when someone was saying Bernie is not Obama, I wholeheartedly agreed. Sanders has a long record, he has taken position in very controversial stances and kept at it, and he gave his reasons like a teacher. To me, that was important. The reasons I held on to O'Malley however, was because he has executive experience, was able to push through tough legislation in Maryland and I can only applaud his stances in the school system.

So... Yes, I would have most likely supported Sanders.

When did that primary happen?

Recycled talking point. Points for effort though

She just wants his voters to think she has respect for him. Bill hates Obama and cannot hide that hate, she is a better liar, and need the black vote.

Bill, maybe. But I think she and Obama grew to respect each other to some degree when she served as SOS. If not I don't think Obama would be all but endorsing her.

I think both she and Obama have a business relationship without much respect for each other. Bill blatently is hostile. She will embrace Obama as long as she is running, not beyond.

She sunk herself.

Just the IW vote.

Not then, not now, not ever.

cause to remind voters that Hillary is a continuation of the same economic recovery that only benefits the 1% (but with more Netanyahu, more foreign nation building, more deregulation in the stock and banking and energy sectors, and less skepticism of "free" trade agreements, for-profit prisons, and pharmaceutical executives).

We got it. You are happy with the status quo but with a little more hawkishness and a little less for the working families.

I would have voted for Bernie.

I voted for Obama in 2008 but not in 2012 in the GE.

I voted for Obama in 2008 in the GE because I generally liked Obama enough to vote for him. Plus, I couldn't stand McCain/Palin.

I did not vote for Obama in 2012 in the GE because I was convinced Obama would win my solid blue state of CT with or without my vote. I did vote for DEMs in all of the down ticket races.

I would have supported Sanders.

There was nobody who would have beaten him in 2012, especially if he had been primaried. But, Hillary Clinton is no Barack Obama and Bernie has a vision I can get behind whereas I don't know what Hillary's vision is. If she is the nominee I will vote for her because I'm sure she will be competent in the office, but I won't be excited about it.

I voted Obama in 2008 but green in 2012 out of disappointment. Obama failed to even try to deliver on his liberal promises. He's been more of a dem the last two years than at any time in his Presidency. I think he's finally gotten the message from real progressive democrats. And he's trying real hard to catch up. But the Republicans have grounded him. More effort when he had a democratic Congress would have given him a substantial legacy.

Don't be spreading falsehoods, Nye Bevan.

without hesitation. I really do not care much for the DLC mindset. Actually, I despise it.

Mind if I go mambo dogface in the banana patch?

I dislike Obama's policies on issues such as trade, maltreatment of immigrants, drug legalization, etc.

A strong primary run would either replace Obama with a candidate I prefer, or at least push him on the issues.

the ones who tortured and ordered torture in our names as officials in our government -- he lost all respect as far as I was concerned.

I would have welcomed a decent alternative in 2012.

In absence of an alternative, I voted for him, but couldn't bring myself to lift a finger to support him otherwise.