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A slap in the face from Hillary to those of us who are supporting bernie (Original Post) gabeana Mar 2016 OP
She's right. DanTex Mar 2016 #1
I believe a message of hopeless inevitability is wrong. hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #2
Not only wrong but extremely depressing. senz Mar 2016 #9
So your saying gabeana Mar 2016 #3
I think you misread the comment. senz Mar 2016 #6
ok got it now gabeana Mar 2016 #8
And water is wet. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #4
Same here. 840high Mar 2016 #5
Hillary Is Enough To Make Me... CorporatistNation Mar 2016 #50
The crime bill Sanders voted on? seabeyond Mar 2016 #7
good catch gabeana Mar 2016 #10
"good" is definitely the wrong word. Please see Reply 12. merrily Mar 2016 #17
I think i am going to shut my mouth, no more comments from me tonight gabeana Mar 2016 #21
The one he opposed because it unfairly punished AAs but ultimately supported to save women's lives? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #12
Let's not conflate posting talking points with thinking. merrily Mar 2016 #19
Can you believe they're still trying to pull that crap? And think we can't see through it? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #28
+1(million, brazillion or so) me b zola Mar 2016 #23
You're welcome! Although some people make it SOOO easy. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #30
The same kind of deceptive, but only technically true comment being made in debates. merrily Mar 2016 #15
Darn those facts. !!! seabeyond Mar 2016 #16
Pretending deceptive half truths are facts is sad. merrily Mar 2016 #20
FACT... Sanders voted the crime bill. seabeyond Mar 2016 #24
FACT: He voted for a bill about women's health that was wrapped into merrily Mar 2016 #29
So, he voted the crime bill. seabeyond Mar 2016 #32
Sometimes I wonder if being deliberately obtuse is an act. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #36
Not quite like a Clinton, who wanted both, though. ZZZZZZ. merrily Mar 2016 #37
Not only wanted both but did everything in her power to "bring them to heel". beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #44
You're not allowed to say that about Saint Bernard alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #22
For real. I am being chewed out for being truthful, factual. Really, lmao. Nt. seabeyond Mar 2016 #25
No, for intentionally posting deceptive half truths. merrily Mar 2016 #34
Sanders voted, ..... The crime bill. No half truth there. seabeyond Mar 2016 #35
That IS a deliberately deceptive half truth. But, you knew that, which is merrily Mar 2016 #40
It's also called 'lying by omission' and it's a logical fallacy. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #41
Yes there were, women's lives were at stake. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #26
See, sometimes compromise has good reasons alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #27
Oh, please. She can post circles around your condescension. merrily Mar 2016 #31
Ah, but toughing up on pedophiles, though. Well, there were reasons to not vote that one. NT seabeyond Mar 2016 #33
Protecting the rights of the accused is important. Anyone who cares about blm would know that. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #43
The crime bill Sanders voted on was not a bad piece of legislation - at truedelphi Mar 2016 #39
Read the replies. jillan Mar 2016 #11
Oh, thanks for reminding me! (I don't do Twitter much.) nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #13
Ouch. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #14
We are not alone. senz Mar 2016 #38
They earned those comments, just about every single one if them. nc4bo Mar 2016 #46
I don't think they believe her tweet, Jillian. pacalo Mar 2016 #60
folks are hurting b/c of her disastrous FTAs, incarceration legislation, cuts to welfare, etc...... amborin Mar 2016 #18
Reading the comments, I don't know who are worse. Beacool Mar 2016 #42
Just say it: Hillary would be a horrible general election candidate. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #47
No, I won't say it because I totally disagree. Beacool Mar 2016 #63
Yes. Bill's eight years of peace and prosperity were awful. Not perfect redstateblues Mar 2016 #45
We're still reaping the rewards of Bill's 8 years. Truly the gift that continues to give 20+ years nc4bo Mar 2016 #48
It's funny how hating Hillary makes people have amnesia redstateblues Mar 2016 #52
Get this straight, I do not hate Hillary. I do, however DESPISE her pro-corporate style. nc4bo Mar 2016 #54
She's back to the kindly Abuelita pose instead of the Strong Leader pose. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #49
Works for me Tarc Mar 2016 #51
Such drama. The Revolution is so put upon. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author stranger81 Mar 2016 #55
Both of my parents already died, during the Obama era, for lack of affordable health care. stranger81 Mar 2016 #56
Thanks! I clicked on something... LAS14 Mar 2016 #57
Can't hold out for The Perfect because that's not what neoliberals are about. Chezboo Mar 2016 #58
Hillary is many things Red Oak Mar 2016 #59
I just reminded her of a few things that hurt a lot of people... MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #61
Hillary says Bernie Sanders is perfect. Dems to Win Mar 2016 #62

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
50. Hillary Is Enough To Make Me...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3


Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

From Liberty Forum

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
21. I think i am going to shut my mouth, no more comments from me tonight
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

I am acting a bit slow today

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. The one he opposed because it unfairly punished AAs but ultimately supported to save women's lives?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016




Nuance is hard, black and white thinking is easy.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
19. Let's not conflate posting talking points with thinking.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:52 PM
Mar 2016

Your reply evidences thought (as usual).

The deceptive half truth did not.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. Can you believe they're still trying to pull that crap? And think we can't see through it?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

Clever they're not.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
23. +1(million, brazillion or so)
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:56 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for all that you do to combat the obfuscation that is the Clinton campaign.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
20. Pretending deceptive half truths are facts is sad.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016

Telling, but sad.

As if you would not have attacked him with a different half truth if he had voted against women's health.



It's about smearing Sanders, no matter what. If deception by half truth is necessary to do that, no problem, right?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
29. FACT: He voted for a bill about women's health that was wrapped into
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:02 PM
Mar 2016

a crime bill precisely to force the hand of someone like Sanders--and Sanders was not the asshat who did the wrapping, either.

But, you knew that.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. Not only wanted both but did everything in her power to "bring them to heel".
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

Funny how they keep forgetting that part.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
34. No, for intentionally posting deceptive half truths.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

But, playing the victim card also has a familiar, um, fragrance.

BTW, I see the full sentence seabeyond is on this thread . Cool.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
40. That IS a deliberately deceptive half truth. But, you knew that, which is
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

why you posted it to begin with. Smearing with half truth talking points, so typical of the Clinton campaign must make you so proud of yourself.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
41. It's also called 'lying by omission' and it's a logical fallacy.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:13 PM
Mar 2016
Lying by omission

Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission






*Note to jury: no one is being called a liar, pointing out the use of logical fallacies is not a personal attack. Thank you for serving.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. Yes there were, women's lives were at stake.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

But we get it, some people don't think that was a valid reason to vote for the bill.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
31. Oh, please. She can post circles around your condescension.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:03 PM
Mar 2016

Who was the asshat who made sure the bills were wrapped together?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
43. Protecting the rights of the accused is important. Anyone who cares about blm would know that.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:15 PM
Mar 2016

The laws have been changed to unfairly target blacks and poor people who can't pay for decent lawyers.

You're welcome.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
39. The crime bill Sanders voted on was not a bad piece of legislation - at
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

At the time he first voted on it. As it got revised, and increasingly made worse, he did not vote on it, so shut up!

amborin

(16,631 posts)
18. folks are hurting b/c of her disastrous FTAs, incarceration legislation, cuts to welfare, etc......
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:51 PM
Mar 2016

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
42. Reading the comments, I don't know who are worse.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

It's a hard choice between the Trump and Sanders' supporters.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
45. Yes. Bill's eight years of peace and prosperity were awful. Not perfect
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

but light years better than any of the Bushes- especially the one that Nader made possible.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
48. We're still reaping the rewards of Bill's 8 years. Truly the gift that continues to give 20+ years
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:38 PM
Mar 2016

Later.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
52. It's funny how hating Hillary makes people have amnesia
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

Like I said it wasn't perfect but the economy has never been better in my lifetime. BSS only see the negative. Stoke that anger. That's what Bernie's campaign is based on.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
54. Get this straight, I do not hate Hillary. I do, however DESPISE her pro-corporate style.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

Got that?

I'm no effing BernieBro or SandersSis or whatever noun du jour you folks seem to want pin on us.

Response to gabeana (Original post)

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
56. Both of my parents already died, during the Obama era, for lack of affordable health care.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

People who can't stomach voting for the business-as-usual candidate again are not necessarily privileged. They just might be the folks, due to Third Way establishment policies, who have nothing left to lose.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
57. Thanks! I clicked on something...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

... in the tweet and somehow got to look at a bunch of Hillary's tweets back to I don't know when. They were great!

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
61. I just reminded her of a few things that hurt a lot of people...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

Welfare reform, as NAFTA was unfolding, to name a few...

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
62. Hillary says Bernie Sanders is perfect.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:53 PM
Mar 2016

Even now, I can't agree with her.

Bernie's not perfect, but he is 100% on the side of the 99%. That's why he's got my vote.

A really pathetic tweet from the campaign. 'Settle for Hillary' is now their official campaign slogan?

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