It'll cost 'em though and would probably have to go through the courts.

YES Election Fraud is the Way Forward in 21st century Amerika!

registered independents, if they showed up and filled out a provisional ballot, would have had their provisional ballots ruled non-eligible

Only time will tell what the actual percentage break down will be.

The AZ SoS acknowledged that reporting it happened to one of her staff.

She went down to the county office to see what was up.

It seems super easy to change things in the system.

Arizona's closed primary system combined with obvious incompetence on the part of the state has disenfranchised thousands of voters. But even when things go smoothly closed primaries present new voters with an additional hurdle of dubious value.

Is the candidate to represent the electorate at large or just the party?

but voter error is a very real thing.

And--independents who tried to vote in the primary contributed to the vote suppression by clogging up the lines when they had no right to vote in the primary in the first place.

that doesn't let the state off the hook for their misfeasance and malfeasance, obviously, but it looks quite plausible that a lot of people tried to vote who simply weren't eligible to participate in a closed primary.

It is no surprise that people are skeptical about the extremely high (~80%) number of rejected ballots.

If a very large number of people "who simply weren't eligible to participate in a closed primary" chose to participate, isn't that indicative of a problem with keeping the primary closed in the first place? After all, votes are to garner the opinion of a large number of people, and those people seem to want to vote.

There is no upside to having closed primaries, and they seem to substantially drive up voter error while also driving down participation.

If you want to choose the leadership of the Democratic Party, join the Democratic Party.

Why is if helpful to keep the primary closed?

The actual election will not be closed, so it would seem to me that closed primaries and general elections would tend to select different candidates. What's the use in that?

The open primaries seem to do no harm in the states that have them. Do we not wish to grow the party by letting more voters become invested in our candidates?

Open primaries are why the Republicans are stuck with Donald Trump.

it's pretty simple--Democrats should choose their own nominee. If someone turns their nose up at being a Democrat, then why should they help choose our leaders?

What is required to become a real democrat? Does filling out a form some arbitrary period in advance accurately reflect who is real and who is not?

People who vote in one party's primary don't get to also vote in the other one, so those who vote for a democrat don't get to vote for a republican. Unless the number of people strategically voting in the opposing primary gets ludicrously high I don't see a problem there.

they're not invested.

primaries choose all kinds of officials, and they choose delegates for state conventions who then set state party rules.

Because the difference on election day boils down to a mark on a form--no matter what the voter has or hasn't done up to that day. There is no evidence of correlation between forms and intent, but there is quite a lot of evidence of the opposite (eg. the AZ primary).

Your argument seems fear-driven. You are afraid that people you don't like might get a voice. That's not democracy--it's exclusion.

What is required to become a real democrat? Does filling out a form some arbitrary period in advance accurately reflect who is real and who is not?

If someone refuses to call themselves a Democrat, then they are not a Democrat.

That's a winning strategy for sure!

But, political parties are private organizations. They should be able to govern themselves.

they choose to exclude themselves, well if they exclude themselves then they don't get to govern us.

And if you look for that information on the Arizona SecState's website that is exactly what it tells you - Arizona's primary is open and you can just show up and vote how you wish.

What they don't tell voters without doing a considerable amount of digging based on pre-existing knowledge, is that the presidential choice within the party's isn't a primary.

It's a form of deliberate voter suppression built into the voter information system.

they were listed as Independent, Libertarian or 'none.

That's what worries me. Because taking away someone's right to vote is disgusting, unforgivable and un-American. When there are reports of unjustified denial of the right to vote -- and there have been MANY -- all people of goodwill need to take it seriously.

No matter who those voters support, if they followed the rules about being registered in the Democratic Party, and their registrations mysteriously flipped to independent through no fault of their own -- of which there have been numerous reports -- we as Americans ought to stand up for them and get to the bottom of it.

presentation from an unidentified man from the Recorder's Office (Helen Purcell is the Recorder) and he presented all the numbers. He did mention there were 46 clerical errors and I think they resolved 26 of those. No mention of how the 'eligible' provisionals were attributed.

This ain't over.

about Service Arizona, illegible signatures, no signatures, PO boxes instead of addresses. At one point the guy from the Recorder's Office was strongly implying the voters were stoopid. It was truly condescending in 'tone'.

Told they were not eligible to vote like the lady standing behind me who thought she was right.

held over a week earlier in Tempe. They were supposed to advertise the eligibility requirements much earlier (I think it was a little over a week) but waited because they did not want to 'confuse' the Tempe voters. BS in my opinion and they failed miserably to use the funds allocated to educate the voting public in time for the primary. They got reamed for that in Monday's hearings. To me, it more voter suppression by the Recorder's Office.

When will the People rise up and demand The Rule of Law return the this "exceptional" country?

the massive voter suppression that took place in Arizona yet?

Thanks for the thread, Land of Enchantment.

it hits the courts on a 'revote'. It could happen.



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I signed it too!

some sort of voter registration purge?

It's important which one it is, though the result is the same.

Why? If Bernie is close to defeating Clinton or beating Clinton by a small margin, a loss even this small will throw the result. If this is widespread, there is the thought that this may be a concentrated effort to skew the primaries to a particular candidate.

The question is "Who's behind it?"

reported they checked up to three times on each provisional ballot (probably against the same faulty database) even thought people had copies of their 'old' cards. When the county 'updated' their records they said they sent out new cards to everyone. Many members of the audience disagreed saying they never received them.

They gave no breakdown of the 18,322 other than to say they were not registered at all (purged?), or they were registered as Republican, Libertarian or Independent.

Something IS rotten in Denmark.

that the voter was a longtime Dem.

No matter that these voters presented valid Democratic registration cards at the polls.

The purpose of this whole fiasco is to eliminate Bernie voters. He was targeted in this effort.

Please see investigation that provides good evidence for that statement:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511607229

where Anonymous was going to look into it but missed your OP. I've had a bad gut feeling about all the voters' affiliations being flipped and for me it all goes back to last fall. Remember in December when Bernie had to sue the DNC to regain access to his OWN voters' data? At the time Jeff stated they had been breached months ago and had asked for an investigation into that breach. Nothing has come of that (that I can find). My sense is that there are probably several hacks going on by various groups. I can't accuse anyone specifically because there is no proof--only circumstantial evidence that it has disenfranchised only Bernie's voters.

disenfranchised Hillary voters says it all. There is a systematic effort going on in several states to manipulate the election so that Bernie doesn't get the nomination. This is outrageous. He is struggling against enormous odds, but if this was a fair election he would win the nomination easily. Just my opinion.

Hillary people currently find it amusing. They won't in November.