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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 07:47 PM Mar 2016

On Stone Mountain "White Supremacy and the Birth of the Modern Democratic Party"

A long but worthwhile read.

https://bostonreview.net/us/christopher-petrella-stone-mountain-white-supremacy-modern-democratic-party

Christopher Petrella
March 30, 2016


Last month, in an article for The Nation on “Why Hillary Clinton Doesn’t Deserve the Black Vote,” Michelle Alexander detailed the toxic consequences for black families and communities of President Bill Clinton’s 1994 criminalization bill and his 1996 welfare-to-workfare act—and the first lady’s vigorous lobbying for both pieces of legislation. Considering these bills alongside Hillary Clinton’s blithe description of black youth as “superpredators” in need of being brought “to heel,” Alexander concludes that the Clintons did not “courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities,” as they have claimed. Neither did they “take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans” nor “help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization, and the disappearance of work.”

........

Yes, Reagan and the Republican Party pulled the Democratic Party to the right, but at the same time Jesse Jackson and his National Rainbow Coalition were pulling the party to the left. We need to reckon with how the Democratic Party chose to deal with these competing pressures.

.....

To “solve” the Reagan-Jackson antinomy, centrist and conservative white Democrats from the South—led by political strategist Al From and including Georgia Senator Sam Nunn, Virginia Governor Chuck Robb, Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton, and Tennessee Senator Al Gore—established the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in 1985 with the chief aim of “mov[ing] the party—both in substance and perception—back into the mainstream of political life.”

The DLC repudiated Franklin D. Roosevelt’s development of the social welfare state through New Deal initiatives and what it perceived to be Lyndon B. Johnson’s partiality to special interest groups. No longer was the Democratic Party interested in speaking to, and representing, its core constituency since the 1960s: people of color, labor, women, the working poor, and the unemployed. Instead, the DLC couched its campaign rhetoric and policy platforms in the language of “mainstream America” and “the forgotten middle class.” The DLC was determined to make the party more palatable to the white men—especially the Southern white men—the Democratic Party had lost to the GOP after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other political victories won by people of color. If Nixon’s Southern strategy opened the GOP’s door to alienated white voters by dog-whistling an embrace of white supremacy, the DLC’s aspiration to move the party into the mainstream of political life was an attempt to court those same voters.



The article goes on to describe a DLC and Clinton Campaign event at Stone Mountain Correctional Institution in Stone Mountain, Georgia. and the photo that was taken there. Stone Mountain is the birthplace of the modern KKK and "home to the Confederate Memorial Carving... a Mt. Rushmore–style grotesquerie that depicts three leaders of the Confederacy: Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and Jefferson Davis."

As Michelle Alexander states in this Facebook post;

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=978303298924294&id=168304409924191

"Everything about the public relations stunt captured in this photo -- including its location at Stone Mountain -- sent a not-so-subtle message to white voters that the Democratic Party was about to turn its back, literally, on black folks. It is often said that if we do not learn from our history, we are doomed to repeat it. I fear that we have not yet truly faced this history, much less learned from it."



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On Stone Mountain "White Supremacy and the Birth of the Modern Democratic Party" (Original Post) Luminous Animal Mar 2016 OP
reminds me of the 3am phone call add....invoking the KKK amborin Mar 2016 #1
And reminds me of reagan's speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #2
Literally turn their back on the men in the prison. Who are jwirr Mar 2016 #3
We still are. Though now there's more "we". KPN Mar 2016 #52
so that picture of four dudes proves Hillary is a racist? nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #4
What do you, think? Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #5
I dunno, maybe I should post a picture of Cornel West and impute all of his geek tragedy Mar 2016 #6
That has already happened dozens of times. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #7
Are you actually calling Cornell West a racist? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #8
no, but definitely someone who race-baited President Obama with extremely offensive geek tragedy Mar 2016 #10
So your lame attempt at using the guilt-by-association fallacy is a big fat fail. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #11
Cornel West's name was already in the mud. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #12
Only to folks like yourself who just want to shame him because he doesn't support Hillary. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #13
So you agree with his comments about President Obama? nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #14
Now you're using strawman arguments because you can't refute my points. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #15
you're the one insisting that it's white privilege to criticize Cornel West's hate speech geek tragedy Mar 2016 #16
It's white privilege to tone police black people who are fighting for racial justice. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #18
so you are defending his comments then. nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #19
I'm defending his right to say whatever he thinks. It's not my place to judge him. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #20
criticism is not censorship. you ought to learn the difference. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #24
So you're tone policing a black activist because you're offended by his words. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #27
I am familiar with the concept, sufficiently so that I know "white privilege" doesn't apply geek tragedy Mar 2016 #30
Nice try but your poutrage over what he said is obviously coming from a place of privilege. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #33
Sounds to me RobertEarl Mar 2016 #21
It sure is upsetting some folks, isn't it? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #22
Yes it is RobertEarl Mar 2016 #26
I was shocked by his words too until I read them in context. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #28
it is a real tragedy RobertEarl Mar 2016 #32
These are the same folks who label women 'feminazis' when we use extreme language about abortion. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #34
That photo. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #9
Bernie voted for the 1994 crime bill, too n/t Onlooker Mar 2016 #17
The one he opposed because it unfairly punished AAs but ultimately supported to save women's lives? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #23
They always have rationales, so does Hillary ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #29
Women's lives are not "rationales", we're being slaughtered. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #31
It was a gift of $$$$ to her cronies. 840high Mar 2016 #40
They've learned nothing from history. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #42
He didn't vote for the crime bill? RandySF Mar 2016 #36
See post 23, especially the last part. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #37
Everyone has their rationalizations ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #38
Bernie voted to save women's lives, Hillary voted to illegally attack a foreign country. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #41
And let's not forget, using women's lives to garner a vote for a bill that would put Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #50
That was despicable. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #51
One rationalization helped save people's lives. The other took Bush (hahahahaha) at his word... Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #58
Love the deflection - but mommy - don't look at this, look at what Bernie did instead! jillan Apr 2016 #64
That picture says it all. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #25
And yet RandySF Mar 2016 #35
Bernie didn't give the order to execute Ricky Ray Rector. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #39
That's funny I remember Tom Harkin and Jerry Brown both called Clinton out for that photo op Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #43
Their supporters still haven't explained Rector's execution. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #44
They're not bothered by it for some reason Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #45
Yes that is odd, they're traumatized by a black man's words but not by Ricky's death. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #46
I voted for Clinton. I wasn't paying much attention to the campaign but I knew I would for Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #47
I thought that picture had been scrubbed from the internet somehow Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #49
Why are there only two white prisoners? raging moderate Mar 2016 #55
Probably just really light skinned Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #57
But race baiting is one thing. He actually did it with his jwirr Mar 2016 #53
I voted for this guy 4 times! Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #54
It really makes me question my intelligence. jwirr Mar 2016 #56
Clinton was a smooth talker. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #59
The racist Clintons need to be not run the party any more jfern Mar 2016 #62
that's also in my sigline--"Third Wayers are Bell-Curvers" MisterP Mar 2016 #48
Nice post. Thank you. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #60
Kick. Luminous Animal Mar 2016 #61
This is a special kind of ugly. I have NO words just complete and utter DISGUST! jillan Apr 2016 #63
wtf... dana_b Apr 2016 #65
Here's another picture taken that day: Tanuki Apr 2016 #66
Misery loves company and Bill was telling the inmates how much company they would be having soon Fumesucker Apr 2016 #67
Sanders voted for the exact same crime bill bigtree Apr 2016 #68

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
3. Literally turn their back on the men in the prison. Who are
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:19 PM
Mar 2016

the politicians with him in this picture? Brown suit Sam Nunn?

We certainly were taken for a bunch of fools. I want my party back.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. I dunno, maybe I should post a picture of Cornel West and impute all of his
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:26 PM
Mar 2016

fun statements about President Obama to Bernie Sanders.

Seem fair?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. no, but definitely someone who race-baited President Obama with extremely offensive
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:33 PM
Mar 2016

and degrading language.

Bernie thought Cornel West made a great ambassador to black voters.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
11. So your lame attempt at using the guilt-by-association fallacy is a big fat fail.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016

And you managed to drag a black scholar and activist's name through the mud in the process.

Good job!

I am so glad you're on Hillary's team, I would he embarrassed if you were a Bernie supporter.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. Cornel West's name was already in the mud.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

he's a vain, petty, bitter, hateful man who's not afraid to use racist/race-baiting invective against other black people, including President Obama.

Which is why he's a favorite of white people on the left who hate Obama--he says things they could never get away with.

stuff like this:

What I meant by that was that his formation is such that I think he does have a predilection much more towards upper middle class white brothers and Jewish brothers and has a certain distance from free black men who will tell him the truth both about himself as well as what’s going on in black communities, brown communities, red communities and poor white and working class communities.


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/prof-cornel-west-tells-ed-schultz-that-president-obama-is-afraid-of-free-black-men/

That was his wordy way of calling Barack Obama an Uncle Tom. Just like his fellow traveler Ralph Nader.

And then there's this:
CORNEL WEST: You can't talk about wealth and inequality, you can't talk about education, you can't talk about massive unemployment and under employment and you can't talk about drones being dropped on people in other parts of the world without talking about white supremacy and its ways in which it operates. It doesn't have to be overt. The president is right about that.

But too many black people are niggerized. I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president.

CNN ANCHOR: What do you mean by that?

WEST: A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy. So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie.

We're talking about moral issues, spiritual issues, emotional issues. White supremacy has nothing to do with just skin pigmentation, it has to be what kind of person you want to be, what kind of nation we want to be. Democrats and Republicans play on both of those parties in terms of running away from the vicious legacy of white supremacy until it hits us hard. Thank God for Ferguson. Thank God for the young folk of all colors. Thank God for Staten Island and fighting there. Thank God in Baltimore, now the precious folk in Charleston.


http://crooksandliars.com/2015/06/cornel-west-obama-first-niggerized-black

Classy fellow.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
13. Only to folks like yourself who just want to shame him because he doesn't support Hillary.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:43 PM
Mar 2016

You dismiss his record of fighting for racial justice simply because he doesn't play for your team.

If that isn't an example of white privilege I don't know what is.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
15. Now you're using strawman arguments because you can't refute my points.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:48 PM
Mar 2016

So much fail in one thread, I fear it may collapse.

It's not my place to tell black folks what to say or how to advocate for racial justice.

It's not yours either.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. you're the one insisting that it's white privilege to criticize Cornel West's hate speech
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

against President Obama. (that claim is total gibberish, by the way--you should understand what white privilege is before using it in chatter like that)

That certainly implies you agree with his comments.

Here's some useful reading for you:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/03/1492931/-Why-black-voters-vote-the-way-they-do-and-advice-on-how-to-win-them

Sanders also needs understand that while the Black Live Matter movement is a very important issue to black voters but it’s still just A single (very important) issue. #BLM activist are an important part of his “revolution brand” but having them on board, shouldn’t be confused with him doing black outreach. It should be noted some activist like Cornel West actually hurt him with a majority of black voters (especially active black Democrats) with his attacks on Obama. Obama is the THE most popular political figure with black voters, and especially with black Democratic primary voters. Sanders needs to figure out a better role for Mr. West if he wants to win over black Democratic primary voters.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. It's white privilege to tone police black people who are fighting for racial justice.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:52 PM
Mar 2016

Just like it's male privilege to tell women we're being sexist when we're fighting for our lives.

I don't get to condemn Cornell West's tactics just like you don't get to tell women we need to watch outr mouths.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
20. I'm defending his right to say whatever he thinks. It's not my place to judge him.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:55 PM
Mar 2016

You want to censor him because it offends you.

White privilege.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. criticism is not censorship. you ought to learn the difference.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016

it is very apparent you agree with West's comments, as you are lashing out quite angrily at criticism of his comments

P.S. When he insults President Obama, he's not fighting for civil rights, he's just being a dick.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. I am familiar with the concept, sufficiently so that I know "white privilege" doesn't apply
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:03 PM
Mar 2016

every time a white person criticizes a black person.

since you have literally nothing to say other than repetitive chatter about "tone policing" and "white privilege" and "leave Cornel West alooooooone" you get to have the last word.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. Nice try but your poutrage over what he said is obviously coming from a place of privilege.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:08 PM
Mar 2016

I may not like how he said it but it's not my place to judge him or condemn his message.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
21. Sounds to me
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

as if some in this thread like them some white supremacy?

I have found that the subject can hardly be discussed when one side is ....

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
26. Yes it is
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

Instead of reflecting on why West might feel and talk that way, all I am seeing is a knee-jerk reaction that seems to me to be a mere projection of hidden inner feelings.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. I was shocked by his words too until I read them in context.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

The people who cherry pick his quotes and try to paint him as racist are very transparent.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
32. it is a real tragedy
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016

Exposing a truth always brings out the worst from some people.

I like Obama, but expected more from him when it comes to the masses and what government could do for us. Seems West has a logical view worth considering.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
34. These are the same folks who label women 'feminazis' when we use extreme language about abortion.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

Some allies get it and some people just pretend to be allies.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. The one he opposed because it unfairly punished AAs but ultimately supported to save women's lives?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 08:58 PM
Mar 2016





Lying by omission

Lying by omission, otherwise known as exclusionary detailing, is lying by either omitting certain facts or by failing to correct a misconception.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lying_by_omission







*Note to jury: no one is being called a liar, pointing out the use of logical fallacies is not a personal attack. Thank you for serving.
 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
29. They always have rationales, so does Hillary ...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

... You should hear Hillary's remarks on the Iraq War bill, both at the time she voted for it and after. Very good stuff. But, the bottom line is the vote, right?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
31. Women's lives are not "rationales", we're being slaughtered.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

I have heard Hillary's "remarks" on the Iraq war resolution, not only did she support it, she repeated Bush's lies in order to convince others to vote for it and endorsed the invasion in 2003. Then she went on to call what we did to the Iraqi people the "gift of freedom".

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
38. Everyone has their rationalizations ...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

... It's just as easy to find a Hillary supporter explaining her votes as it is to find a Bernie supporter explaining his votes. In my view, they are both right. Both Bernie and Hillary have good liberal records. Bernie's may be better but it's not perfect (unless you like the Kosovo War, the Minutemen, the Stealth bomber, and assault weapons, too). Bernie supported the crime bill of 1994. Hillary didn't get to vote, of course. Bernie, like Hillary supported the 1998 bill to overthrow Saddam Hussein, and the 2001 bill to provide arms for fighting Iraq and Afghanistan. Hillary supported the 2003 Iraq War bill, but apologized. Perhaps you can find where Bernie apologizes, rather than rationalizes his choices.

At any rate, here's a summary of what Hillary said in 2003.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

“Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first … I take the president at his word that he will try hard to pass a United Nations resolution and seek to avoid war, if possible. Because bipartisan support for this resolution makes success in the United Nations more likely and war less likely—and because a good faith effort by the United States, even if it fails, will bring more allies and legitimacy to our cause—I have concluded, after careful and serious consideration, that a vote for the resolution best serves the security of our nation. If we were to defeat this resolution or pass it with only a few Democrats, I am concerned that those who want to pretend this problem will go away with delay will oppose any United Nations resolution calling for unrestricted inspections.”

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
41. Bernie voted to save women's lives, Hillary voted to illegally attack a foreign country.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016
Bernie's may be better but it's not perfect (unless you like the Kosovo War, the Minutemen, the Stealth bomber, and assault weapons, too).


He voted to stop a genocide and the only people who think he was wrong to try to prevent ethnic cleansing are Hillary supporters. (see lying by omission fallacy)

And he voted to ban assault weapons EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. These votes are a matter of public record, you should do some research before making false claims.



Bernie supported the crime bill of 1994. Hillary didn't get to vote, of course.


No she promoted it by telling people we needed to be protected from "super predators" who needed to be "brought to heel". (see lying by omission fallacy)

If you had bothered to watch the video you would know that Bernie opposed the parts of the bill she supported.



Bernie, like Hillary supported the 1998 bill to overthrow Saddam Hussein


Bernie supported the PEACEFUL overthrow of Saddam Hussein, he OPPOSED the war in Iraq. (See lying by omission fallacy)



and the 2001 bill to provide arms for fighting Iraq and Afghanistan.


He voted for an omnibus bill. (see lying by omission fallacy)



Hillary supported the 2003 Iraq War bill, but apologized.


Millions are still dead, maimed, orphaned, displaced and suffering because of her "mistake". That's one of the biggest reasons why I don't trust her.



Perhaps you can find where Bernie apologizes, rather than rationalizes his choices.


Bernie explained his vote at the time and wanting to save women's lives doesn't require an apology. Not to me.

You're still making up falsehoods about Bernie's record and misrepresenting his positions. Every one of your claims can be easily debunked, you've obviously leaned nothing from our previous exchanges.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
50. And let's not forget, using women's lives to garner a vote for a bill that would put
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

black men in prison.

Talk about a rock and a hard place.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
51. That was despicable.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:39 PM
Mar 2016

I realize that's how the game is played in Washington but when Democrats do it somehow it's worse. I expect it from Republicans.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
58. One rationalization helped save people's lives. The other took Bush (hahahahaha) at his word...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

Really? Bush? At his word? Really?

All rightie…

RandySF

(58,911 posts)
35. And yet
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

Bill Clinton became one of the most popular presidents among African Amercans in history. In the meantime, Bernie voted to dump Vermont nuclear waste near poor Latinos in Texas and give aide and comfort to supremacist militias "patrolling" the US/Mexico border.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. Bernie didn't give the order to execute Ricky Ray Rector.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016
Bill Clinton’s gutsy apologies: Now he owes one to Ricky Ray Rector


In 2008, after Bill Clinton’s intemperate response to Obama winning the South Carolina primary shocked many in media, Chris Kromm, of the Institute for Southern Studies, looked back at how Ricky Ray Rector’s fate intersected with Bill Clinton in that campaign–one in which no Democrat wanted to face a “Willie Horton ad” like the one that helped destroy Michael Dukakis in 1988:

It was almost exactly this time of year 16 years ago that then-Gov. Bill Clinton, eager to break away from a tight pack of 1992 Democratic primary hopefuls, decided crime would be one his big-ticket issues. Democrats should “no longer feel guilty about protecting the innocent,” he would proclaim from the campaign trail.

How did candidate Clinton choose to show he was “tough on crime?” By flying down to Arkansas, mid-campaign, to personally preside over the execution of Ricky Ray Rector, a mentally retarded African-American man.

It was only the third death sentence carried out in Arkansas since 1973, and Clinton made a point of being on hand for the TV crews when Rector was killed by lethal injection on January 24, 1992.

In 2002, the Supreme Court ruled that executing persons who are mentally retarded is “cruel and unusual punishment.” And in the court of public opinion, many African-Americans judged that Clinton–far from being a “black president”–was in reality another white president who was all too willing to use race when it suited him.


Kromm went on to quote Margaret Kimberley at The Black Commentator:

Ricky Ray Rector became world famous upon his execution in 1992. Then Governor Bill Clinton left the campaign trail in January of that year to sign the warrant for Rector’s execution. Rector’s mental capacity was such that when taken from his cell as a “dead man walking” he told a guard to save his pie. He thought he would return to finish his dessert.

I try to remember this story when I am told that all Black people love Bill Clinton or that he should be considered the first Black president. Clinton wasn’t Black when Rector needed him. He was just another politician who didn’t want to be labeled soft on crime.


http://www.salon.com/2015/07/25/bill_clintons_gutsy_apologies_now_he_owes_one_to_ricky_ray_rector/
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
43. That's funny I remember Tom Harkin and Jerry Brown both called Clinton out for that photo op
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

This was during the 1992 primary.

A lot of people saw it saw as race baiting, trying to get southern white votes by showing he would keep the prisoners locked up. Tough on crime, that sort of thing. This was just right after the Clintons took a quick break from the campaign to fly back to Arkansas so Bill could oversee the execution of a brain damaged mentally ill man. Nasty.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
46. Yes that is odd, they're traumatized by a black man's words but not by Ricky's death.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:25 PM
Mar 2016

Their silence is deafening.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
47. I voted for Clinton. I wasn't paying much attention to the campaign but I knew I would for
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:50 PM
Mar 2016

for the Democrat… the candidate running on the party for which I was a registered member.

It was around 1993 that I became heavily involved with prisoner justice and welfare justice and also Cop Watch in Oakland (prior to that my focus was mainly on abortion rights and violence against women reforms).

The "welfare reform" fight was when I first became aware of Clinton's Stone Mountain event. And I, mentally fell flat on my ass in aghast. This stunt to appeal to racists was a hair breadth different from Reagan's speech at Philadelphia, Mississippi where three civil rights activists were murdered.

Really. Stone Mountain. With your white privileged Senators standing with you and black imprisoned men forced to line up facing your back.

Welfare reform is when I changed by voter registration to "unaffiliated." How dare they expect my loyalty to a party that would harm the least amongst us. Harm them to the extent that childhood poverty is a national disgrace.

And Hillary actively lobbied for "welfare reform." She actively lobbied for what has resulted in a national disgrace.



 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
49. I thought that picture had been scrubbed from the internet somehow
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

Yeah Tom Harkin actually had flyers printed with this picture and distributed them in South Carolina.

I was a Clinton campaign intern during this. I thought he was god's gift. Oops no. This was definitely where the Democrats took a wrong turn. Welfare reform, war on drugs, filling up the jails, killing off American industry, etc etc.


And don't think this photo was an accident. Clinton understood the power of a photograph better than anyone. These guys were sending a message that they were going to get the Blacks under control. Here's a backup in case it disappears.



raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
55. Why are there only two white prisoners?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

It is preposterous to believe that this group represents the true proportion of white/Black criminals in that state.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
53. But race baiting is one thing. He actually did it with his
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

tough on crime laws. And I remember that developmentally disabled man he executed also.

Lord, what was I thinking to even vote for him once?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
59. Clinton was a smooth talker.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

Also he seemed most electable. That's probably how they suckered us into it because we were desperate to win one after 12 years.

Don't get me wrong he did some good things but he also did a lot of Republican things. History has shown we would have been better off with any one of those other guys - Jerry Brown, Tom Harkin, etc.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
48. that's also in my sigline--"Third Wayers are Bell-Curvers"
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:56 PM
Mar 2016

it goes beyond broken windows and superpredators, beyond rolling back "the legacy of the 60s" against participatory democracy and letting people speak for themselves, to the fundamental tenet of neoliberalism, that people should be judged by their numbers--IQ, degree attainment, income

at the same time Clintonism coupled with the early 90s' newest left, the campus identitarianism that divides rather than unites, "she's not a man!" combining very easily with "he was just following his pecker"

jillan

(39,451 posts)
63. This is a special kind of ugly. I have NO words just complete and utter DISGUST!
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 03:56 AM
Apr 2016


Please - phonebank for Bernie!

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
65. wtf...
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 04:20 AM
Apr 2016

If I had realized that he was like this this back then, I would never have voted for him. I was so lost in my own world. Ugh!

Tanuki

(14,919 posts)
66. Here's another picture taken that day:
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:15 AM
Apr 2016

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1891&dat=19920303&id=ELZGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8f0MAAAAIBAJ&pg=1150,260954&hl=en


According to the AP article, "Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas offers words of encouragement to inmates..."


Do you have any information about what he was actually saying in your picture?

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
68. Sanders voted for the exact same crime bill
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 06:29 AM
Apr 2016

...that Bill Clinton signed.

So much for this meme that it was the product of the DLC.

It was the product of legislators like Bernie Sanders.

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