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Bernie said to Rachael: "we'll see about raising money for the party and candidates"... (Original Post) asuhornets Mar 2016 OP
Oh, this will send the SDs flocking to him. So much unity. So much support for the party lunamagica Mar 2016 #1
I believe he thinks he is the Army of one; ready to conquer all; by himself....n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #2
You know, with millions and millions of people outside The Capitol building, demanding lunamagica Mar 2016 #7
No timmymoff Mar 2016 #12
He needs a Democratic congress if he ever wants anything done lunamagica Mar 2016 #20
Better chance with him heading the ticket timmymoff Mar 2016 #23
Stop with the platitudes. They need MONEY to run their campaigns. Without it, they are doomed lunamagica Mar 2016 #33
It seems they are in a dilemna then timmymoff Mar 2016 #44
They wouldn't be in this dilemma if Sanders acted like a Democrat, and helped his lunamagica Mar 2016 #50
It cuts both ways. Just sayin' agracie Mar 2016 #117
They wouldn't be in this dilemma? You're attributing a lot more power to bernie and his supporters.. Armstead Mar 2016 #124
He did not say that he would not help other campaigns marions ghost Mar 2016 #48
I didn't twist anything. When did he say he would help? lunamagica Mar 2016 #53
In the interview with Rachel marions ghost Mar 2016 #79
Come on. You know I meant help financially. The answer to the last question lunamagica Mar 2016 #84
If he goes all the way marions ghost Mar 2016 #93
The thing is, Hillary is managing to run, and help her fellow Democrats running lunamagica Mar 2016 #104
He will, however after the nomination. marions ghost Mar 2016 #110
He didn't say that. He said "we'll see" lunamagica Mar 2016 #114
Nothing wrong with saying "we'll see"... marions ghost Mar 2016 #119
The DNC is fucking him every step of the way! Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #72
exactly! Donations to Bernie should stay with Bernie renate Mar 2016 #116
and that's why they negotiated their vote to Hillary. debunction.junction Mar 2016 #77
Given that Clinton is ahead in both delegates and the popular vote mythology Mar 2016 #58
what perecentage of bernie supporters do you think wouldve shown up timmymoff Mar 2016 #62
Most of his bros think so Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #105
Establishment dems only carry about raising money from their corporate masters kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #3
Oh ok.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #6
The money is to make Bernie the nominee? What don't you get about that? snowy owl Mar 2016 #19
many donations to Bernie are a rejection of the Third Way/New Dem/DNC.. tokenlib Mar 2016 #88
BINGO! Nail on head Armstead Mar 2016 #127
Only one of the two candidates has actively poached donors from the party's presidential candidate democrattotheend Mar 2016 #4
Why haven't he made up his mind... asuhornets Mar 2016 #8
Because he is running himself to be the nominee. You don't get that? snowy owl Mar 2016 #25
But Bernie should be able to do two things at one time...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #131
Because many of them do not stand for what we believe in Armstead Mar 2016 #128
Bernie calls raising money for the party akin to bank robbery MattP Mar 2016 #29
Bernie gets his money from ordinary people who support HIM. pacalo Mar 2016 #5
And how is he going to get his agenda passed, without a Democratic congress? lunamagica Mar 2016 #10
Apparently some people do not realize that KingFlorez Mar 2016 #13
He'll just wave his magic wand, and "POOF" REVOLUTION!!! lunamagica Mar 2016 #16
Hillary is going to get things done! pacalo Mar 2016 #64
Yes she is. At least she's helping her fellow Democrats so they can get elected lunamagica Mar 2016 #69
It's way past time for Hillary to take Bill by the hand pacalo Mar 2016 #83
Is this you anwswer? Seriously? lunamagica Mar 2016 #86
Seriously! pacalo Mar 2016 #90
She will timmymoff Mar 2016 #100
They'll refuse to work with her out of spite. pacalo Mar 2016 #103
And magically they will bow down to Bernie? WhiteTara Mar 2016 #132
How is she timmymoff Mar 2016 #21
If Democrats can flip Congress, it's possible for her to get some things done KingFlorez Mar 2016 #27
Only Bernie has that kind of coattails. dchill Mar 2016 #34
It's a little early to be talking coattails KingFlorez Mar 2016 #45
They WOULD have to be allowed to vote. dchill Mar 2016 #54
What would you like done? timmymoff Mar 2016 #42
#1 Coattails #2 Democratic party is supposed to do that -it's called 50-state strategy snowy owl Mar 2016 #32
Hillary has helped her fellow Democrats runnung for office. Didn't you see Rachel telling that lunamagica Mar 2016 #43
who has she helped? snowy owl Mar 2016 #59
Right--He said he wanted to push the party to really carry out marions ghost Mar 2016 #65
I believe a lot of posters don't know what the 50-state strategy is? snowy owl Mar 2016 #101
Rachel's question made me angry. pacalo Mar 2016 #55
I know that die-hard Sanders followers will defend him no matter what. But to the general population lunamagica Mar 2016 #133
Pettiness is very unbecoming. pacalo Mar 2016 #137
Democratic Congresses have been SO successful and willing to fight for progressive agenda Armstead Mar 2016 #130
Then good luck getting anything done with a Republican congress lunamagica Mar 2016 #134
Not pathetic at all.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #11
votes are american timmymoff Mar 2016 #15
It's the Democratic Primary. Which should be closed to opposition subterfuge LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #66
Not only democrats are voting in it. timmymoff Mar 2016 #78
She is a Democrat,so that's how it works...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #81
She isn't the cloth of timmymoff Mar 2016 #85
He's not a neo-conservative who is pushing for more wars. pacalo Mar 2016 #61
After the way DWS and her DNC has treated him... SHRED Mar 2016 #115
Prying questions about his campaign, too. pacalo Mar 2016 #118
Good I don't want my donations going to establishment Dems. GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #9
The post is not about you.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #17
It is about him trying to peddle from his donors GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #22
It's about you being clueless about his supporters! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #52
Has Sanders helped any of those people? KingFlorez Mar 2016 #30
He is locked in a fight of his life... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #41
EXACTLY marions ghost Mar 2016 #89
get your friends to write her $27 timmymoff Mar 2016 #47
Not a bad idea KingFlorez Mar 2016 #51
That's how he is doing it. timmymoff Mar 2016 #57
I love your candidates! snowy owl Mar 2016 #35
I'm sure we'll all be happy to help down ticket progressives.. tokenlib Mar 2016 #14
That's not how it works... asuhornets Mar 2016 #24
After over two decades of the New Dems/DLC/Third Way types selling us out.. tokenlib Mar 2016 #70
Agreed! GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #75
Right marions ghost Mar 2016 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author lunamagica Mar 2016 #135
Oh ok...so Sanders must win first...I get it....n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #28
it's about time snowy owl Mar 2016 #36
Do you? dchill Mar 2016 #38
He must really believe that he doesn't need Congress to pass his agenda KingFlorez Mar 2016 #18
I agree...He can do it alllllll by himself....n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #26
We need to defeat Hillary FIRST, before deciding which members of the establishment.. tokenlib Mar 2016 #31
COATTAILS - how many times do you have to hear it? snowy owl Mar 2016 #39
He just waves his arms Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #109
Ask the same of Clinton...if she were in his position, n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #37
Hillary has already raised money for other Democrats...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #46
Yes - and how much has actually been disbursed from the Victory Fund revbones Mar 2016 #99
Pre-paid doncha know..... marions ghost Mar 2016 #107
Exactly. I'm so tired of the misleading statements about her raising money for the party revbones Mar 2016 #108
"Follow the Money" marions ghost Mar 2016 #111
your response? n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #112
Did he say why? Eom Jennylynn Mar 2016 #40
No he basically dodged the question... asuhornets Mar 2016 #49
Link or self delete Logical Mar 2016 #56
Watch the interview and see for yourself..like I did...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #60
I should believe you? nt Logical Mar 2016 #136
of course.. asuhornets Mar 2016 #138
Bernie has always been all about Bernie. Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #63
His whole life is a lie!!! Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #82
He does not have the resources Hillary Clinton has jane123 Mar 2016 #67
He has out raised her a few times. He has the money...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #68
Bernie only has enough money when she goes down in flames... tokenlib Mar 2016 #94
And it won't happen at all...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #96
Ding, ding, ding Jane. You get the prize! Jennylynn Mar 2016 #97
HMM lets see, Mbrow Mar 2016 #71
That's politics for you asuhornets Mar 2016 #76
Forget the superdelegates. Bernie is doing it right. Just win human sized delegates. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #73
The party doesn't seem to be supporting Bernie so I don't have a problem Autumn Mar 2016 #74
But how does that work? He is on the Democratic ticket...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #80
He is running in the democratic party so as to not split the ticket, Bernie has always caucused Autumn Mar 2016 #87
Hes already raising money for PROGRESSIVES through his example-setting grassroots-funded campaign nt obamneycare Mar 2016 #91
I heard that on XM driving home this evening. I was shocked at the tone he responded with. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #92
Yep the same super delegates him and his supporters hated awhile back..n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #95
Sad! hrmjustin Mar 2016 #102
Thank goodness for closed primaries. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #106
haha we're already being starved to death....n/t blueintelligentsia Mar 2016 #113
Arrogance. nt LexVegas Mar 2016 #120
Ugh. No wonder he's losing, and ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #121
So... LWolf Mar 2016 #122
Hillary 08 'raised money for the Party' and yet the campaign ended with a great deal of debt which Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #123
yes, brokering donations is what fundraising is. people who think they are too good to geek tragedy Mar 2016 #125
He -- and his supporters have done something amazing. That is their focus Armstead Mar 2016 #126
Has he ever actually endorsed another candidate? Ever? randome Mar 2016 #129

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
1. Oh, this will send the SDs flocking to him. So much unity. So much support for the party
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:55 PM
Mar 2016

So much help to get more Democrats in congress.

How petty

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
7. You know, with millions and millions of people outside The Capitol building, demanding
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016

obedience to the Leader...who needs congress?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
12. No
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:07 PM
Mar 2016

But he knows he has enthusiasm and has already won the message. We see this from the continual evolutions and Hillary constantly having to follow his lead. He isn't an army of one, he knows we have his back, we know he has ours. We do not have to wonder what his position will be today. We know it is the same and not something different because certain donors have bigger pockets to peddle influence. One is running on message, the other is running on, well at least I'm not Trump.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
33. Stop with the platitudes. They need MONEY to run their campaigns. Without it, they are doomed
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

to lose.

It is customary for Democrats to help and support each other for the greater benefit.

This "Me first" or "Only me" attitude it's completely unworthy of a Democrat

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
44. It seems they are in a dilemna then
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

Because as a campaign that only takes money from the people, you will have to wait. Certainly the Clooney dinner had to help? Cant Goldman write another check? Wasn't Trump a pretty generous supporter of hers? Certainly there is some industry that can continue bankrolling the democrats like the current presumptive nominee.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
124. They wouldn't be in this dilemma? You're attributing a lot more power to bernie and his supporters..
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:48 AM
Mar 2016

than is usually given.

In the larger scheme of things the money Sanders has raised is a drop in the bucket.

It's up to the rest of the Democrats to start standing for things that will enable them to generate the same level of enthusiastic support and contributions from real people, not just corporations.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
48. He did not say that he would not help other campaigns
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016

he merely said that he has to use his resources right now to get the nomination. He does not have Hillary's financial advantage. She has already been able to pump money into states.
A very reasonable response from Sanders.

You are twisting it. Of course he has to put himself first right now but he is certainly going to do what is fair. Why don't you give him the benefit of the doubt here? He will do what is right and beneficial to Dem candidates under the circumstances.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
79. In the interview with Rachel
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

he said he wanted to help the party apply the 50 state strategy, not just give lip service to it (which they have been doing). He said he would help the DNC if he gets the nomination.

He said also that he was sorry to have to limit campaigning in the South, especially TV ads, in order to save it for states he had a better chance in. And she used that against him, saying that Tad Devine said Bernie "chose not to compete" --MEANING that he chose to save on TV ads. Rachel implied there was a lot of bungling and inconsistency about this, which is garbage--they have done brilliantly. Got a slow start, for obvious reasons. And the media only started paying any attention to him recently.

Remember Bernie runs on a platform of campaign finance reform. He is acutely aware of the issues. Acutely.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
84. Come on. You know I meant help financially. The answer to the last question
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

He was bragging about the incredible amount of money he has raised, so Rachel asked him if he would help with the other tickets (like Hillary has).

He mumbled how he needed the money and a vague "We'll see"

He hasn't helped so far, and it looks like he wont.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
93. If he goes all the way
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

he will need a LOT of money. Right now that is hard to predict.

"We'll see" means if he wins the nomination he will do whatever he can (financially) to help.

Bernie doesn't make promises he can't keep and right now he's not sure. I would think you could see that as honorable.


lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
104. The thing is, Hillary is managing to run, and help her fellow Democrats running
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:24 AM
Mar 2016

He was bragging to Maddow about the enormous amount of money he had raised. That's why Maddow asked him if he would share some of that enormous wealth.

And the fact is, he pledged he would help other Democrats. But he has failed to do so. So, he made a promise he CAN keep. He is just choosing no to keep it.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
110. He will, however after the nomination.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016
It has been customary for candidates to flow money AFTER they get the nomination. Hillary has been working it for quite awhile, from her big donors. So she has put in significant money already.

OK everybody thinks it's fine for Hillary and her deep pockets to do this--to pay for support, to buy votes up front--but how do we like it when the Kochs or Art Popes fund their candidates up front to buy states? No difference.

Now you may argue that she had no choice but to do it, or you may admire that she did--but Sanders is taking the route that is consistent with getting big corporate money out of American elections. He is showing that it can be done. This is the amazing thing about Sanders campaign.
--------------
Please read the following--This is how the Clintons did it:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-03/clinton-rakes-in-millions-through-state-channels

Clinton's move last year to lock in fundraising alliances with 33 state Democratic parties has already added $26.9 million to the mountain of hard money she has raised so far, a Bloomberg analysis of Federal Election Commission filings shows. Bernie Sanders, her competitor for the nomination, has inked one such deal, netting a total of $1,000.

The agreements, thanks to a 2014 U.S. Supreme Court decision, make it possible for major donors to give hundreds of thousands of dollars in hard money to a candidacy, amounts far greater than the $2,700 limit on contributions directly to a campaign.

At least 24 donors have given $300,000 or more to the fundraising vehicle, known as the Hillary Victory Fund, including Haim and Cheryl Saban, George Soros and Daniel Abraham, longtime donors to both Bill and Hillary Clinton's political campaigns and the Clinton Foundation. The only other way to make such large contributions is through outside groups, such as super-PACs, which can take unlimited donations but can't coordinate with the candidate.

Under the agreements, the first $2,700 of a contribution goes straight to Clinton's campaign, the next $33,400 to the Democratic National Committee, and the remainder is split evenly across the 33 often cash-strapped state committees. Unlike super-PAC donations, the money can be spent to directly support her campaign on anything from get-out-the-vote efforts to TV ads.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
119. Nothing wrong with saying "we'll see"...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:19 AM
Mar 2016

........meaning "yes, depending how it goes" --which is the only honest reply Sanders can give while he is still running for the nomination and spending big money right now. Nothing to pick on about his reply. Of course he allies with and benefits from the Dem party and will honor that. He made that clear.

Bernie wants the whole system to work better, for people, not only corporations. You have read the feelings of those in this thread who want their money to go for Sanders campaign, NOT into the coffers of the DNC. His supporters have given him the chance to run the honest way--in order to show that it can be done. We need campaign finance limits and we need them NOW. This is the brilliance of his campaign. He walks the talk.

You sidestepped the issue of how Hillary & Co. did a "pre-paid" push to ensure she gets the nomination --feeding millions into her campaign and the DNC. This was not legal before 2014.
She did it the RethugliCon way. Which you may think is fine.

Sanders is running on the platform of getting the big money interests under control so the (R) Kochs and the (D) Soroses cannot literally buy states and influence elections. But Hillary is perpetuating that --these ways of the past, not the future. Hillary and Co are not in a political position to make changes. The corporates--the 1%--have her exactly where they want her. It's very obvious that she is beholden to them, so it appears that she is lying when she says she cares about us little people. We see through that. She may "care" in her heart but she can't help us. She has to serve her masters. They pull her strings.

It is time (past time) for movement towards something more equitable now--the people see what is going on and they don't like it. Better to address it now with Sanders in office, than with further paralysis of government and continued exploitation of the middle class and poor, who will never benefit from the system as it is. Hillary makes promises to the people that she cannot keep. If she gets the presidency, you will see this more clearly.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
72. The DNC is fucking him every step of the way!
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

I'd rather my donations go to my candidate for now. He needs it more at this point.

renate

(13,776 posts)
116. exactly! Donations to Bernie should stay with Bernie
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:35 AM
Mar 2016

My sweet daughter insisted on giving him a donation out of her allowance because she loves Bernie, not some other random Democrat. It would be wrong and dishonest to take the decision out of her hands about who gets that money.

I've never thought any politician should be obliged to share their donations--just the opposite, actually. Maybe corporations make political donations to get political favors, but individuals made donations because they believe in that particular candidate.

77. and that's why they negotiated their vote to Hillary.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

Over and over when I hear of another Hillary endorsement, they say "negotiations have been going on for a while." Negotiations? Seriously, what is there to negotiate? Either you believe someone is the best candidate or you do not. Or is it that my vote goes to the highest bidder?

Is there a list somewhere of those who have endorsed Bernie? Anyone who wants to endorse Bernie will get a donation from me for their campaign. There are probably a few thousand others who would do the same.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
58. Given that Clinton is ahead in both delegates and the popular vote
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:29 PM
Mar 2016

how can you claim that she's inspiring people to stay home, but the guy who has fewer pledged delegates and fewer popular votes is inspiring people to turn out?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
62. what perecentage of bernie supporters do you think wouldve shown up
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

for a primary with just Clinton running? How many aren't that interested in adding to her vote totals in Novmeber? How many are independents?

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,183 posts)
105. Most of his bros think so
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

They were asleep during civics class when the subject was the three branches of government.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
3. Establishment dems only carry about raising money from their corporate masters
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

People don't donate to Sanders, they donate to his cause.

I for sure will never donate to this version of the DNC. Most of them would be lucky to get my vote yet alone any penny of mine.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
6. Oh ok..
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:03 PM
Mar 2016

Donations to Sanders is different from all other donations to other politicians....because Bernie.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
19. The money is to make Bernie the nominee? What don't you get about that?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

Once the nominee, his coattails will do more to help other democrats than Hillary's. Also, the democratic party is supposed to do that. I'm not sure you all understand the system... Or are you just trying to find picky stuff to keep the negativity going?

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
88. many donations to Bernie are a rejection of the Third Way/New Dem/DNC..
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

..and their moderate Wall Street coddling, corporate tax and trade friendly policies.. We are fed up with the rejection of the New Deal bedrock principles we grew up with.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
4. Only one of the two candidates has actively poached donors from the party's presidential candidate
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:02 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is not that candidate.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
8. Why haven't he made up his mind...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:04 PM
Mar 2016

about helping his "fellow" Democrats. Helping the down ticket goes without saying.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
25. Because he is running himself to be the nominee. You don't get that?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:13 PM
Mar 2016

If Hillary is spending her money on other dems, then I guess she's making sure big money has a lot of poeple in their pockets.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
128. Because many of them do not stand for what we believe in
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:55 AM
Mar 2016

Some do, and maybe I'll send some money their way.

But that's the decision of individuals.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
5. Bernie gets his money from ordinary people who support HIM.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:02 PM
Mar 2016

Asking Bernie about the funds that are strictly given to support Bernie for president at this point is pathetic, considering where Hillary's money is coming from.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
10. And how is he going to get his agenda passed, without a Democratic congress?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

You know, he isn't going to be elected KING

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
64. Hillary is going to get things done!
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

Don't hold your breath. Those on the other side of the aisle will not work with her.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
69. Yes she is. At least she's helping her fellow Democrats so they can get elected
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

and they get this done together. She's working hard for her and the other Democratic candidates.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
83. It's way past time for Hillary to take Bill by the hand
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

then walk away into the sunset to enjoy the spoils from all of her I-promise-you Wall Street speeches.

The status quo needs a lot of fixing & it isn't Hillary who is willing to try to fix it.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
90. Seriously!
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

I'm not trying to satisfy your agenda with my answer; I wrote what I was inspired by you to write.

WhiteTara

(29,722 posts)
132. And magically they will bow down to Bernie?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:36 AM
Mar 2016

I don't think so. I think he'll have as much or more trouble with the other side of the aisle.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
21. How is she
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

considering she inspires only those she already has? How does she get anything passed with a gop congress, because she isn't bringing new blood into the game.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
27. If Democrats can flip Congress, it's possible for her to get some things done
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:14 PM
Mar 2016

Granted it is difficult to flip the House of Representatives, but Democrats need to at least try boosting candidates.

dchill

(38,529 posts)
34. Only Bernie has that kind of coattails.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

It's called turnout. This thread is full of the politically challenged.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
45. It's a little early to be talking coattails
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016

And if we want to talk turnout, Sanders hasn't exactly brought many new people to the polls like Obama did in 2008. If he did he wouldn't trailing in the primary right now.

dchill

(38,529 posts)
54. They WOULD have to be allowed to vote.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

Plus, as I'm sure you'd be the first to point out, it's about delegates, not popular votes. Dems da berries.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
42. What would you like done?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

More fracking? Never knew a dem to run on the polluting our water platform. More regime change? I hope not. Can she help get us the 15 minimum wage? Oh wait, she already sacrificed that one before the fight began. Maybe single payer? Oh wait she sacrificed that one as well. He will help fundraise for dems I am certain if he loses, but truly take the time and tell me what part of Hillary's message inspires you to support her? Is it her free trade positions like NAFTA and being recently for TPP? Is it her answer of not taking a position regarding keystone until the president did? Tell me which of these polices actually make her progressive. What makes her a progressive? What is inspiring about the status quo?

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
32. #1 Coattails #2 Democratic party is supposed to do that -it's called 50-state strategy
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

#3 He never said he wouldn't help but you don't help others until you get the nomination yourself. Do you much about campaigns? Who has Hillary helped with her Goldman Sachs money?

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
43. Hillary has helped her fellow Democrats runnung for office. Didn't you see Rachel telling that
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:20 PM
Mar 2016

to Sanders?

They don't need "coattails" they need MONEY to un their campaigns

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
59. who has she helped?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

Give me some facts and I might change my mind. But Bernie doesn't have the big pockets or the free media, so he needs to do more on the ground campaigning and he needs paid-for medial. This is the stupidest interview question in a campaign I have ever heard and I am not a young person. And Rachel gave you the bait and you are running with it.

It is a stupid question and anyone with a brain should be able to figure that out. This is unbelievable.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
65. Right--He said he wanted to push the party to really carry out
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:34 PM
Mar 2016

the 50 state strategy. He clearly said that. He said he didn't like the way that some states have more power than others. He intends to help if he gets the nomination.

If you really like for big money to control elections then I invite you to see how you would like living in North Carolina.

We have to STOP acting like RepubliCons re campaign financing in the Dem party.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
101. I believe a lot of posters don't know what the 50-state strategy is?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:16 AM
Mar 2016

I guess he needs to teach Americans civics.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
55. Rachel's question made me angry.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

The money I send each month for Bernie is done automatically, but I plan to cut it off when he no longer needs it.

I will contribute to the Democratic Party when it reflects the same principles that drew me to join when I turned 18.

Bernie Sanders is the only one who speaks for me that I trust.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
133. I know that die-hard Sanders followers will defend him no matter what. But to the general population
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:27 AM
Mar 2016

such attitude won't win him any followers. Pettiness is very unbecoming

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
137. Pettiness is very unbecoming.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:45 PM
Mar 2016

I see it everyday when Hillary supporters act as buzz-kills in Bernie threads.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
130. Democratic Congresses have been SO successful and willing to fight for progressive agenda
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:57 AM
Mar 2016

NOT......

That's the point. I didn't send money to Bernie to support the same system that is suppressing positive progressive and liberal change.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
11. Not pathetic at all..
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:07 PM
Mar 2016

He's running on the Democratic ticket, using Democratic resources, receiving Democratic votes....

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
15. votes are american
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:09 PM
Mar 2016

not democratic. his votes also come from independents, dems who long left the third way wing, disenfranchised voters. That's the difference Hillary gets dem votes and dem votes only.

LuvLoogie

(7,027 posts)
66. It's the Democratic Primary. Which should be closed to opposition subterfuge
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

and political Lookie Loos.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
78. Not only democrats are voting in it.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:47 PM
Mar 2016

And this is why she struggles with independents etc. Your attitude right there. The can't do attitude. The obsession with party only is not the way to grow it. I've been a democrat my whole life, I didn't marry them. I signed no loyalty oath to a bad platform? Did You? I never signed on to support fracking. I never signed on to support an adopted platform. I signed on for them to be real, one is , one isn't. Sdly the one who isn't in line with my democratic principles is the "frontrunner"

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
61. He's not a neo-conservative who is pushing for more wars.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

He has given Democrats another vote in the House, &, most particularly, in the Senate when every vote was precious to the party. He earned the right to run on the Democratic ticket.

One thing I'm not is an ingrate who steps on those who have helped my cause.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
115. After the way DWS and her DNC has treated him...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:24 AM
Mar 2016

...I think he was very restrained in his response to Rachel's loaded question(s).

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pacalo

(24,721 posts)
118. Prying questions about his campaign, too.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:56 AM
Mar 2016

What a tool she turned out to be! She was among the very last I would have expected to sell out her principles.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
9. Good I don't want my donations going to establishment Dems.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

Most are a bunch of DINOs who subscribe to the DLC/Third Way mantra. I donate separately and selectively to progressive Dems I want to support like Lucy Flores, Tim Canova, Pramila Jayapal, and Zephyr Teachout

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
17. The post is not about you..
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

It's about Bernie and his inability or unwillingness to help his "fellow" Democrats.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
22. It is about him trying to peddle from his donors
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:12 PM
Mar 2016

To give to the DNC (I am an itemized donor to Sanders). Majority of the DNC establishment are DINOs, at least from the perspective of a progressive.

Nope I don't want my money going to the DNC. I will give my money to the candidates I support.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
30. Has Sanders helped any of those people?
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:15 PM
Mar 2016

Someone like Teachout is in a competitive district that is winnable and will need all the help she can get. There is no denying that she is progressive, yet Sanders hasn't lifted a finger to help her out.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
41. He is locked in a fight of his life...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:19 PM
Mar 2016

...to secure the nomination for president against the most well oiled political machine of modern times. I'll cut him some slack if he doesn't have the time and energy to devote to helping down ticket candidates at the moment. When he secures the nomination I will fully expect him to support progressives down ticket.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
57. That's how he is doing it.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe that will help. But I guess you could take the Clooney money, and Goldman Sachs, maybe some fracking money, and private prison money, these are after all, new liberal positions.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
14. I'm sure we'll all be happy to help down ticket progressives..
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:09 PM
Mar 2016

once we defeat Hillary and give a swift kick to her Third Way/New Dem/ Dems for the Leisure Class backers... SO BUG OFF!!!

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
24. That's not how it works...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:12 PM
Mar 2016

I have a can of Raid for you. I don't understand why you are not upset that Bernie says he may or may not help "other" Democrats. Since he is running as a Democrat.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
70. After over two decades of the New Dems/DLC/Third Way types selling us out..
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

.that is indeed how it is. We are not raising money from the billionaires and Wall Street, and with our limited resources trying to fight the establishment, at this moment we cannot afford to contribute to the very people trying to snuff us out? Makes no sense. We can help one another later.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
75. Agreed!
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

They think they can shot progressives in the foot with their New Dem ideology and then they have the audacity to ask us to pay for the bullet.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
98. Right
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016

that's like Trump building the wall and Mexico's gonna pay for it. Good point.

We get treated like we don't count --and then we're supposed to fund the party that treats us like we don't count.

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IF Bernie gets the nomination, THEN the money will be more available.

Actually this IS how it's been done in the past--money flows to other Dems AFTER the nomination.

For Hillary to have dumped money into the DNC and state races already....well, that's buying votes, basically.

Response to marions ghost (Reply #98)

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
18. He must really believe that he doesn't need Congress to pass his agenda
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:11 PM
Mar 2016

I think he believes that he can issue executive orders to implement his entire platform and completely ignore Congress. There is only so much that can be done with executive orders...

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
31. We need to defeat Hillary FIRST, before deciding which members of the establishment..
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:15 PM
Mar 2016

..which is working so hard to support Hillary right now...that we are going to help in November..

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
99. Yes - and how much has actually been disbursed from the Victory Fund
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:14 AM
Mar 2016

And how much is going to any candidate that is not a super-delegate for Hillary?

Interesting eh?

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
107. Pre-paid doncha know.....
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:27 AM
Mar 2016

a better return on the investment...

OK everybody thinks it's fine for Hillary and her deep pockets to do this--how do we like it when the Kochs or Art Popes fund their candidates up front to buy states?
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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-03/clinton-rakes-in-millions-through-state-channels

Clinton's move last year to lock in fundraising alliances with 33 state Democratic parties has already added $26.9 million to the mountain of hard money she has raised so far, a Bloomberg analysis of Federal Election Commission filings shows. Bernie Sanders, her competitor for the nomination, has inked one such deal, netting a total of $1,000.

The agreements, thanks to a 2014 U.S. Supreme Court decision, make it possible for major donors to give hundreds of thousands of dollars in hard money to a candidacy, amounts far greater than the $2,700 limit on contributions directly to a campaign.

At least 24 donors have given $300,000 or more to the fundraising vehicle, known as the Hillary Victory Fund, including Haim and Cheryl Saban, George Soros and Daniel Abraham, longtime donors to both Bill and Hillary Clinton's political campaigns and the Clinton Foundation. The only other way to make such large contributions is through outside groups, such as super-PACs, which can take unlimited donations but can't coordinate with the candidate.

Under the agreements, the first $2,700 of a contribution goes straight to Clinton's campaign, the next $33,400 to the Democratic National Committee, and the remainder is split evenly across the 33 often cash-strapped state committees. Unlike super-PAC donations, the money can be spent to directly support her campaign on anything from get-out-the-vote efforts to TV ads.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
108. Exactly. I'm so tired of the misleading statements about her raising money for the party
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

Show me the money being spent...

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
111. "Follow the Money"
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:49 AM
Mar 2016

ESPECIALLY applies to the Clintons.....

I hate to compare them to the Kochs because after all they are more on our side, but we DON'T like this when the Rethugs do it. It's buying influence. Especially predatory when the state parties are so hard up and campaigns are costing megazillions.

Bernie is creating a more level playing field, and people don't even see the benefits of it. That's how far gone this country is.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
63. Bernie has always been all about Bernie.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

I truly feel for the people who have bought into his act. In reality, though, his whole "independent" schtick has always been about standing out from the crowd and maximizing his leverage. It's never been about principle - only grandstanding and perpetuating his whole act.

jane123

(34 posts)
67. He does not have the resources Hillary Clinton has
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

He is running his campaign from his supporters small donations, not Wall Street and big campaign contributors. He is not doing thousand dollar a plate fundraisers..his priority is and has always been winning the nomination and using his contributions wisely....any reasonable person would understand that he will do whatever he can to help down ticket dems but he needs to win the nomination. It is easier for Hillary because, clearly, she doesn't care where her money comes from and I guess that's okay with her supporters.

Jennylynn

(696 posts)
97. Ding, ding, ding Jane. You get the prize!
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:06 AM
Mar 2016

When I asked, "Did he (Bernie) say why? In another post. I already knew his why answer. I wanted to see if anyone would answer it honestly unlike Maddow and her news crew tonight on a different subject. You nailed his answer! Thank you!

Mbrow

(1,090 posts)
71. HMM lets see,
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

Won't give progressive Democrats the time of day or any help to the more progressive Dems running for office. Has done all sorts of things to hinder his campaign and you wonder why most of us progressive dems want little or nothing to do with the DNC? if you are wondering about sources just read the Nation or go thru the Nation archives. I've run a Nation discussion group for 12 years the story about the DNC backstabbing are endless.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
76. That's politics for you
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

He made the decision to run as a Democrat. Bernie has raised alot of money, he brags about it all the time.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
73. Forget the superdelegates. Bernie is doing it right. Just win human sized delegates.
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

Let the supers do whatever they want.

If they decide to reverse the results of the human sized delegates then that's their choice. Voters will take that into consideration in the future.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
74. The party doesn't seem to be supporting Bernie so I don't have a problem
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:44 PM
Mar 2016

with him not supporting them. I imagine he will help out some.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
87. He is running in the democratic party so as to not split the ticket, Bernie has always caucused
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

with the democrats and been a reliable vote for them. Then there are elected democrats who say they don't know who he is.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
92. I heard that on XM driving home this evening. I was shocked at the tone he responded with.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 12:00 AM
Mar 2016

Sounded pretty arrogant and cocky. I was surprised he said it that way while his campaign tries to woo super delegates.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
122. So...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:40 AM
Mar 2016

the take away I get from your post is this:

Politics...it's about Party, and Party is about money.

Nothing in there about issues, integrity, record, etc.

Okay.

FYI: I'm a Democrat. I've never, not once, donated money to "the party." My donations all go for candidates. Outside of presidential candidates, most of my donations go to local and state candidates, with, when I can, a bit of money sent out of state to others. Most recently that was Chuy Garcia and Zephyr Teachout.

I'm about issues. I support Democrats who get the issues right.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
123. Hillary 08 'raised money for the Party' and yet the campaign ended with a great deal of debt which
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:41 AM
Mar 2016

was paid off by donors. So she raised money to give away to enhance her network of support, spent until she was in the red and then raised more money.
Who actually supported the Party and other candidates? The donors. Who sort of brokered that money? Hillary's campaign. Is that really all that impressive?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
125. yes, brokering donations is what fundraising is. people who think they are too good to
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:51 AM
Mar 2016

engage in that kind of thing are not capable of leading a political party. They are much better suited to being college professors, media talking heads, and backbencher legislators from sparsely populated states.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
126. He -- and his supporters have done something amazing. That is their focus
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:52 AM
Mar 2016

Clinton can go to big money fundraisers for herself , and throw some remaining crumbs to other Democrats after she has taken her vig.

But Sanders has had to overcome the resistance of that same inbred crowd, and he has gotten actual grass roots people to fund his campaign.

They (we) are funding HIM and the movement he represents.

If I want to send money to otehr Democrats, that's a seperate decision. Right now the focus is on this primary race.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
129. Has he ever actually endorsed another candidate? Ever?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 09:56 AM
Mar 2016

Even if he doesn't have the money right now, why not use his influence to support other Progressive candidates? We've heard so often at DU how the bully pulpit is the single most effective weapon in his arsenal. So why isn't he using it?
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