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Bernie still Crushing Hillary against Repukes in new NY poll released today (Original Post) GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 OP
It puzzles me why people say "Sanders can't win." Polling data predicts the exact opposite. phantom power Mar 2016 #1
He's never been attacked is why. DanTex Mar 2016 #2
It's hard to attack a clean politician Dragonfli Mar 2016 #3
It will be pretty easy for the GOP to attack Bernie, though. DanTex Mar 2016 #4
What is he under investigation for? I must have missed it. Dragonfli Mar 2016 #6
He's a self-described socialist. Doesn't even require investigating. DanTex Mar 2016 #9
Not much of an attack when everyone already knows it. Dawgs Mar 2016 #16
"Everyone Else" DOESN'T know it... brooklynite Mar 2016 #26
That's not news! Lol Only old people afraid of the boogie man care. They'll need something that WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #21
No he isn't, you appear quite ignorant as to what a socialist is, he is a Democratic socialist Dragonfli Mar 2016 #23
There are people HERE who are still trying to explain the difference... brooklynite Mar 2016 #29
Hillary is dishonest. Dishonesty is FAR worse than a some label that Republicans call every Dem. nt w4rma Mar 2016 #36
I remember well how calling Obama a socialist destroyed his White House bid and got us McCain Dragonfli Mar 2016 #41
Obama never called HIMSELF a Socialist. brooklynite Mar 2016 #66
"I am a socialist" --Bernie Sanders. DanTex Mar 2016 #33
The attack on his family was the most disgusting to me... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #7
Tax increases. Lack of support from the senate and congress... bettyellen Mar 2016 #72
If by the middle class you mean those making over $200,000 a year, then perhaps Dragonfli Mar 2016 #73
I don't lie to people with the Hillary= Republican bullshit... bettyellen Mar 2016 #74
I didn't say that, you did Dragonfli Mar 2016 #75
"We should just vote republican anyway" own it. bettyellen Mar 2016 #77
Context is everything, and in context, you are far more guilty of such an awkward and silly Dragonfli Mar 2016 #78
You're repeating a bullshit meme that gets too bettyellen Mar 2016 #79
I agree, your bullshit meme is getting old Dragonfli Mar 2016 #80
Perfect. bettyellen Mar 2016 #81
Says someone whose daily DU specialty is attacking Sanders. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #8
If you think that's bad, wait till every channel is talking about his trillions of dollars of tax DanTex Mar 2016 #10
Uh, socialism and raising taxes on the rich is why people like him. Dawgs Mar 2016 #19
Umm, socialism, Americans don't like that so much. DanTex Mar 2016 #31
Um, the more people hear about Bernie, the more his approvals go up. Dawgs Mar 2016 #34
That's because he's never been attacked. DanTex Mar 2016 #35
The first thing anyone learns about Bernie is that he's a socialist. Dawgs Mar 2016 #42
Funny, because there are even people in this thread trying to deny that. DanTex Mar 2016 #43
I don't give a shit about other people think on this thread. I'm responding to you. Dawgs Mar 2016 #48
But it shows, even his supporters can't agree on whether he's a socialist. DanTex Mar 2016 #49
On another note I don't see any of the NYC Congressional districts that are favorable to Sanders. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #11
Staten Island, maybe? I dunno. DanTex Mar 2016 #12
Hell no he won't win there. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #13
He'll win Chelsea.. GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #14
Yes but that district is attacked to some strong Hillary areas so he likely won't win the district. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #17
Okay... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #22
No. Most are awarded by Congressional district in NY. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #27
Yes, but CD delegates get awarded proportionally GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #32
True but Hillary will get more delegates per district and win 84 when she wins the state. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #37
Probably not. Trying to think of what parts of NYC are most like Alaska... DanTex Mar 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Mar 2016 #20
Sorry for the typo. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #30
This seems like a good place to point to my other remark about conflating "NYC" with "NY" phantom power Mar 2016 #18
It was a good post. But in the southern part of the state Sanders will lose all the congressional hrmjustin Mar 2016 #25
This is media speak Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #5
Because Hillary supporters know Gwhittey Mar 2016 #44
He's got to bet the nomination first. Why is this OP even up? brush Mar 2016 #57
General election polls in the primaries don't mean anything mythology Mar 2016 #63
Bernie has not been vetted. The only reason...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #24
Hillary has and it's only getting worse. Dawgs Mar 2016 #38
No, Bernie has been in elective office for 25 years. He's been vetted. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #39
Bernie has not been vetted and he is part of the Establishment...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #45
LMAO. Please stop repeating that nonsense. I can't take it. My sides are splitting. merrily Mar 2016 #50
You know it's true... asuhornets Mar 2016 #53
Um, no. What I know to be true is Reply 47. merrily Mar 2016 #56
Since I owe you one... asuhornets Mar 2016 #58
Oh, please, please do feel free to make your best case. merrily Mar 2016 #60
OK... asuhornets Mar 2016 #64
That's your best case for your claim in Posts 24 and 45 that Bernie has not been vetted by anyone, merrily Mar 2016 #68
Absolutely...n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #71
Some people don't know what that word means, I think you are responding to one Dragonfli Mar 2016 #46
Not to mention the Hillary campaign. I bet they know where he buys his shorts and what brand he wear merrily Mar 2016 #54
I wish I followed your lead, so far for me I have fended off multiple attacks and it feels like Dragonfli Mar 2016 #76
That is some graphic imagery! I am sorry it is happening to you, but I am merrily Mar 2016 #82
The Hillary campaign sure tried and came up with peanuts and bs. merrily Mar 2016 #47
Hillary does not want to asuhornets Mar 2016 #51
Oh, please. What she and her campaign surrogates did in 2008 and 2016 was and is shameful. merrily Mar 2016 #59
Hillary is the true Democrat asuhornets Mar 2016 #61
Google No True Scotsman logical Fallacy. merrily Mar 2016 #62
I didn't change anything. All facts....n/t asuhornets Mar 2016 #65
Um, yes you did change the subject from how Hillary and her surrogates campaign, including vetting merrily Mar 2016 #67
FFS what happened to Kasich? He was beating Hillary over the weekend WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2016 #28
"crushing" ha ha. Oh the DRAMA of your OP. would be within a margin of error. riversedge Mar 2016 #40
+4... That's me giving you a CRUSHING recommendation on your post. n/t Stand and Fight Mar 2016 #52
Why thank you. very much. Have to admit riversedge Mar 2016 #69
NY is in no danger of turning red. RandySF Mar 2016 #55
+1 riversedge Mar 2016 #70

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
3. It's hard to attack a clean politician
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

Lord knows Hilary keeps trying.

One under FBI and NSA investigations on the other hand....

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
26. "Everyone Else" DOESN'T know it...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

The bulk of GE voters don't participate in the Primary process...this will all be knew to them.

So will the "massive tax increases on everyone" announcement...and the "Expand the Government" announcement.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
21. That's not news! Lol Only old people afraid of the boogie man care. They'll need something that
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

people care about.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
23. No he isn't, you appear quite ignorant as to what a socialist is, he is a Democratic socialist
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

All that means is favoring things like public highways, SS, firefighters ect. Even Republicans like those things, such an attack will fall flat.

Hillary on the other hand has miles and miles of pretty files to investigate and tarnish her with.

Some are even quite fresh and true. Republicans hate her so deeply that they will set records just for an opportunity to vote against her (and in the process lose us down ticket races).

A vote for Hillary is a vote for millennials and independents to stay home or vote Republican as well as a vote to help elect a Republican to the WH and in many down ticket races.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
29. There are people HERE who are still trying to explain the difference...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:20 PM
Mar 2016

...the Republicans will call him a Socialist, and if he spends his time saying "no, I'm a DEMOCRATIC Socialist" he's already lost.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
36. Hillary is dishonest. Dishonesty is FAR worse than a some label that Republicans call every Dem. nt
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:23 PM
Mar 2016

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
41. I remember well how calling Obama a socialist destroyed his White House bid and got us McCain
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

How soon we forget I suppose. Being wealthy I understand why you like lower taxes at our expense and why you support Clinton, it makes sense to vote your pocketbook, what I dislike is how the wealth of many appears linked now to the ever increasing poverty of the bulk of us. I will just chalk that up to a lack of empathy on the part of those that are wealthy like yourself.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
7. The attack on his family was the most disgusting to me...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:07 PM
Mar 2016

I can't believe Hillarians were gleefully spreading that right wing smear that he was abusive to his wife. We won't soon forget that if you end up needing our support in November.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
72. Tax increases. Lack of support from the senate and congress...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:50 PM
Mar 2016

But mostly raising taxes on the middle class.
That's going to kill him.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
73. If by the middle class you mean those making over $200,000 a year, then perhaps
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:38 PM
Mar 2016

but there aren't as many in such an unfortunately low income bracket as you appear to think, and the added increase will only be a few dollars, unless you are like a millionaire or something.

If you believe she will support the congress as they are, and therefore get more support than him from them, I suppose we should just vote Republican anyway as those are the policies you are talking about.

Come on, get out of the closet, you hate taxes on the rich and favor Republican policies, register as one already and end the suppression of your true self.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
74. I don't lie to people with the Hillary= Republican bullshit...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 05:58 PM
Mar 2016

I happen to think such nonsense does more to suppress the vote than Repulicans do.
Shameful lies.

Waiting for accurate calculators from Bernie for the tax increases. He should have put that info out already.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
75. I didn't say that, you did
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:03 PM
Mar 2016

"Lack of support from the senate and congress..." as a negative for Sanders but a positive for Clinton.
You are the one saying she will be simpatico with the R's that represent the bulk of congress. Not me. Just stop doing that if you don't like it.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
78. Context is everything, and in context, you are far more guilty of such an awkward and silly
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

Conclusion.

If you believe she will support the congress as they are, and therefore get more support than him from them, I suppose we should just vote Republican anyway as those are the policies you are talking about.


Context, it's what's for dinner, taking things out of context, is what comes out the back end after dinner.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
79. You're repeating a bullshit meme that gets too
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

Much play here. And it's nonsense. We both no there is no truth to it.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
80. I agree, your bullshit meme is getting old
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 07:07 PM
Mar 2016

Your tactical evasions and deliberate mis-truths are becoming so damn transparent and tiresome (much like Clinton herself)
That I am going to take a bit of advice from a friend and start using the ignore feature, only those that argue in good faith deserve to be read and responded to

I have already indulged you far too much. Betty, just yell at an empty chair, for it will hear you before I.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
10. If you think that's bad, wait till every channel is talking about his trillions of dollars of tax
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

raises and his socialism and his defense of Castro and all that.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
34. Um, the more people hear about Bernie, the more his approvals go up.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016


The more they hear about Hillary the more her disapprovals go up.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
42. The first thing anyone learns about Bernie is that he's a socialist.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:27 PM
Mar 2016

And, as I've shown, his approval numbers go up when people learn about him.

Now, what else are you going to attack him on; that he wants to take back money from rich and give it to the rest of us?

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
43. Funny, because there are even people in this thread trying to deny that.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

I just don't see him holding up to a barrage of ads about his socialism, his massive tax increases, his defense of Castro, honeymoon in USSR, all that. And, no the GOP isn't going to be "fair" with their ads, and they aren't going to care if some DUer accuses them of "red-baiting."

Bernie's gotten a free pass, but that would end quickly.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
48. I don't give a shit about other people think on this thread. I'm responding to you.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

And, those things that you think will hurt him won't mean thing.

People don't care about attacks in this cycle. They care about authenticity. It's why he does so much better with Indys than Hillary.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
49. But it shows, even his supporters can't agree on whether he's a socialist.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:38 PM
Mar 2016

When the GOP blasts all that all over the TV, those numbers will start to turn. You might not have a problem with socialism, but a huge number of people do. There are polls about it.

Of course, we're never going to find out, because Hillary's gonna win the nominee, but I don't think it would be pretty.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
11. On another note I don't see any of the NYC Congressional districts that are favorable to Sanders.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:09 PM
Mar 2016

Since most delegates are awarded by district I don't see him winning any of the southern congressional districts the way they are drawn.


 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
17. Yes but that district is attacked to some strong Hillary areas so he likely won't win the district.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

And Chelsea has a sizable African American population north of 23rd street.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
32. Yes, but CD delegates get awarded proportionally
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

See http://www.thegreenpapers.com to see how the past races have awarded the delegates

edit: fixed link

Response to DanTex (Reply #15)

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
30. Sorry for the typo.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:21 PM
Mar 2016

In Brooklyn his areas are attached to strong Hillary Congressional districts.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
25. It was a good post. But in the southern part of the state Sanders will lose all the congressional
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

districts.

brush

(53,843 posts)
57. He's got to bet the nomination first. Why is this OP even up?
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

I don't care right now about whether Sanders is leading among repugs in New York.

How is he doing against Clinton in New York?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
56. Um, no. What I know to be true is Reply 47.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:43 PM
Mar 2016

Hint: Repeating a naive statement does not strengthen your case.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
64. OK...
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:54 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders and his supporters brag all the time about all the money he has raised-but he refuses to share it with other Democrats. Sanders and his supporters were against super delegates before they were for them. Tell me.. do you think Sanders will remain a Democrat after he loses to Hillary? I doubt it. He used the Democratic infrastructure and resources but refuses to help the down tickets. He had to return some campaign funds and no one is talking about that. And some of the funds were well over $27-that's another myth-$27-yea right.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
68. That's your best case for your claim in Posts 24 and 45 that Bernie has not been vetted by anyone,
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:06 PM
Mar 2016

not Congress and not the Hillary campaign? Wowza!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
46. Some people don't know what that word means, I think you are responding to one
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

He was thoroughly vetted before being allowed on a few of the Committees he was a part of or chaired.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
54. Not to mention the Hillary campaign. I bet they know where he buys his shorts and what brand he wear
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

Please see Reply 47.

Hm. As an aside, 50 replies so far and I see 11. This thread must be flypaper for my ignored posters. I have no idea why I resisted the ignore function so much. It's heavenly!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
76. I wish I followed your lead, so far for me I have fended off multiple attacks and it feels like
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

Wading through a chest high bog filled with excrement without the benefit of protective gear.
I may have to do the same with ignore soon, I don't think you can see the shit addressed to me or my replies to them, but it grows tiresome.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
82. That is some graphic imagery! I am sorry it is happening to you, but I am
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 08:26 PM
Mar 2016

glad that I can't see it. I wish you had not seen it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
47. The Hillary campaign sure tried and came up with peanuts and bs.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

The notion that the Hillary Campaign, with all its money and tactics and all her burning desire to be the first woman President hasn't done oppo research on Bernie up the yin yang, same as it did on Obama, is near delusional.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
51. Hillary does not want to
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:40 PM
Mar 2016

dog another "Democrat"- besides he will not win the nomination. So why should she bother. That's the media job.

Personally, I think she should him.. He needs it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
59. Oh, please. What she and her campaign surrogates did in 2008 and 2016 was and is shameful.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

Not only has she used race, religion, gender and national origin, but she even put McCain above Obama. She has campaign against her fellow Democrats lower than I can recall in any primary in modern times that I've lived through or read about.

Leave it up to the media, my ass.

asuhornets

(2,405 posts)
61. Hillary is the true Democrat
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:48 PM
Mar 2016

in the race. She has a diverse coalition supporting her. Sanders is one-dimensional..

merrily

(45,251 posts)
62. Google No True Scotsman logical Fallacy.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 02:50 PM
Mar 2016

Also, your making claims with nothing to support them is not very persuasive. Just saying something doesn't make it so.

GREAT job completely changing the subject though--and who could blame you?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
67. Um, yes you did change the subject from how Hillary and her surrogates campaign, including vetting
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 03:04 PM
Mar 2016

opponents.

Focus.

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