2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumYoung women interrupt HRC rally today
Chanting "She wins -- we lose"
She was not amused.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)SheenaR
(2,052 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I vaguely remember hearing about that incident but I don't remember how he reacted. I did see a video of him reacting to a Trump supporter shouting at his rally. He just chuckled and said "there's a Trump supporter worried about Mr. Trump's money." And of course, we all know how he reacted to being interrupted by a bird.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)any assertion that Bernie "gave them the mic" or "allowed them to speak." And I'd trust her more than one of Sanders' keyboard warriors any day.
senz
(11,945 posts)I'd trust that evidence more than a Bernie-hater any day.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I heard a recent interview where she said Bernie never tried to shake her hand but that's on the video. She also said her friends were physically assaulted by the crowd and one was even bitten.
The woman is clearly a liar, why would anyone believe her?
senz
(11,945 posts)This is her story, her claim to fame, and she's stickin' to it.
I cannot imagine a group of liberal Seattlites who came to learn about Social Security wanting to assault and bite people.
The way she screamed into the microphone, face contorted, full volume, looked like habitual rage.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She was a fundie who was affiliated with Louis Farrakhan.
senz
(11,945 posts)How unfortunate that a person that unbalanced lit upon the scene and that some put her on a pedestal.
(Sorry to be slow in replying; I'm typing slower than usual today -- nearly every word is a typo that has to be fixed and I had to reply to someone else first.)
I'm so glad you're out here standing up, as you do so beautifully, for what is right, bmus.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Not the best spokesperson for blm imo but that's not my call.
That's okay, don't worry about the response time. I'm on fb and watching the weather right now, going to be a bumpy night here.
Glad to see you too my friend, you have more patience than I do.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)...a video or picture of Sanders standing off to the side is not evidence of "He gave them the mic" or "He let them speak." It's only evidence of the fact that while they were speaking, he was nearby. You got a picture or video of "Here, you speak" or "I'm going to turn the microphone over to these young women now?" No, you don't, because that didn't happen. Let's see what really happened.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/
At Westlake, Sanders was just starting to address the crowd, thanking Seattle for being one of the most progressive cities in the United States of America.
Thats as far as he got before two women walked onstage and grabbed the microphone.
.....
After the few minutes of silence, the protesters said they wanted to confront Sanders for failing to address their concerns when he was similarly interrupted at a town hall for liberal activists in Phoenix last month. Johnson beckoned Sanders to stand closer as she spoke he refused.
So the microphone was taken, not given, and Sanders elected not to engage the protesters by his own free will. And the "Johnson" cited is Marissa Janae Johnson, who is definitely more credible on what happened than your opinion.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)By waiting respectfully for them to finish he gave them the mic and let them speak.
By not trying to take it back he gave them the mic and let them speak.
By not having them removed he gave them the mic and let them speak.
Stop being deliberately obtuse, you know what she meant.
senz
(11,945 posts)1) This was not Sanders' event. This was a Social Security event. The event organizers, Seattle residents, were in control of it. Bernie was merely one of the invited speakers. Got that? He was an invited guest. He deferred to the organizers who had invited him.
2) Bernie had another event lined up for later that day. So he was on a tight schedule.
3) Marissa Janeae Johnson was screaming at full volume, a bundle of out-of-control rage. Her grabbing the mic -- a bullying assault on the entire proceedings -- was between her and the organizers.
From the Seattle Times article you cited:
Bernie did not fight her for the mic; he stepped away and stood to the back with his wife. He was under no obligation to do whatever this screaming woman ordered him to do. Got that? I hope you do. He was polite and well-behaved and let the organizers deal with it.
4) Neither you nor anyone else has the right to criticize Bernie Sanders for his entirely appropriate, respectful behavior that day.
5) Bernie Sanders does not have a racist, sexist bone in his body. He's the real thing when it comes to civil rights for all oppressed people.
You won't find anyone better.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)how much of a bullshit lie that excuse has been this whole time. Random bolding!
senz
(11,945 posts)and your obsession with it is weird and unhealthy. "Excuse?" There was nothing to excuse.
As for my bolding of some words, there is nothing random about it. In a written context it signifies emphasis. If you don't understand that, then perhaps it's time to lay off the Calvinball and finish up high school.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Demonstrates who the real high schooler is here.
senz
(11,945 posts)At least you learned something from mine.
polly7
(20,582 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)you can even apply conclusions based on what you want to espouse regardless of what the video shows...
you can edit the facts of the event in your mind and ignore any other facts that would prove your premise(s) as either merely flawed or intentionally misrepresenting the actual event in totality...
you have an agenda and you are pursuing it heartily...i'll give you that...
other than that, and in an ad hominem phrase you can understand: you are full of shit...and you know it...
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)And said he was rude to them. And this was lie #3 that I know of that got African Americans down here in SC to vote against him. At least up north African Americans are starting to get the message that they where lied to.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)if that would have been me,I would of knocked her gd ass off that stage.she was a hell hound.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)voluntary meeting of a majority of people is wrong, BLM included. This type of individual thinks the world revolves around them. It doesn't.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)If non-landowners, women, black people, LGBT didn't get uppity and demand they be heard they would not have the rights they exercise to this day.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Those uppity young women!!!
Just like the young woman who held up a sign in the middle of the elite fundraising party in South Carolina. She was manhandled by security right out of the joint, after being dissed by Hillary.
Or the young woman who was told to "go out and run for something yourself" by Hillary.
She has a huge problem with young women.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)At a coffee shop Governor Dayton was there and he looked very uncomfortable with the exchange.
Retrograde
(10,153 posts)school board, town council, local offices - there are hundreds of opportunities to make a real difference (like a county election official, for example) where a young person can make a difference, even without the influx of cash and support needed for a state or country-wide office. Real change begins with a firm foundation at lower levels - as the tea party knows.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)We live in America. We have the right and duty to protest. In fact, many of us did when Bush was rushing us into an illegal war.
Remaining silent is what they do in Saudi Arabia.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Hillary Clinton has the right to speak. People who do not agree with her, and want to make a statement, have the right to speak out as well.
That's America. It's part of the First Amendment. You have the same rights.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Being yanked out of a speaking venue, does not mean that you don't have the right to speak out.
People who protest Trump have the right to speak out too. Trump incites his rabid supporters to beat those protesters. Those protesters are thrown out. Doesn't mean that they don't have the right to speak out and speak their minds.
You have the right to attend a rally and protest as well.
It's called the First Amendment.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Hillary won that interaction big time....
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)In this case, one that needs to be sent.
What are we? the soviet union? Or do we all have voices that can educate those who need it most, like Hillary?
senz
(11,945 posts)A whole generation awake and aware. I have no idea how it happened -- unless it has something to do with social media.
Well, my generation was pretty good too, but we did not fully understand what we were up against.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)WE DO LOSE IF "SHE" WINS! That assertion can never be in dispute! #ONE You cannot trust her as far as you can throw her! She will fib about what she had for breakfast! Hillary according to her... "Tries not to lie..." HILLARYOUS!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)This is the religion of Bernie Sanders: Try to shout down the opposition into submission.
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GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)If so great Camp Weathervane is then it wouldn't need to ban more people than it has as members, the same phenomena is on reddit, except the Sanders reddit dwarfs the Clinton Reddit.
synergie
(1,901 posts)group or attacked its members, which seems to have been coveted badge of honor for the BS crowd who were not happy silencing any and all opposition and taking over the entire site.
The Sanders group was also pretty quick with the ban, I got one for pointing out that the article they were quoting stated the opposite of what they claimed, apparently facts were ban worthy.
If Camp BS was so great, then why ban new members who point out simple errors by pointing out the actual content of the articles posted?
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DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1617651
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GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)I'm still blown away that the other persons comment was hided because I didn't think he said anything wrong. He posted cold hard facts about the Clinton group.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)And from what I've heard, the Sanders group has banned plenty of people, some of which who haven't even posted there.
As for the cult comment, you said cult, not me. But if the shoe fits...
Buns_of_Fire
(17,194 posts)I told another DUer a while back that I don't darken the doorsteps of either group. I respect the safe havens of both sides.
But it's also a matter of cost-effectiveness. I can hang around the Hillary Group and tick off a thousand people. I can hang around the Bernie Group and tick off a thousand people.
Or I can hang around here and tick off EVERYBODY!
Gotta think big.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Besides money.
synergie
(1,901 posts)Who does Bernie listen to, other than himself that is? And who do his supporters listen to other than their own canned pre-prepared slogans shouted out with little attempt at coherence or honesty or sense?
How many times are these paid disruption from Bernie's camp going to interrupt the woman beating him, and will anyone give them slogans that make any sense, or teach them that if they wish to ask questions, they should not shout over any attempts to answer them?
It failed the SC, and this seems to be yet another fail.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)needs to be more "muscular"?
Which is why she values corporate profits over the lives of her 'fellow' americans?
The explains how she can give answers like "you find out once I'm in office".
And nice projection on the idea that the young lady must have been paid, I can understand why you would think so. Make sure to have a lovely day.
synergie
(1,901 posts)utterly silly. Why is the word fellow in scare quotes?
Eh, it's better than answers like, "the unicorns I promise shall appear because of the REVOLUTION" and the "millions of people milling outside of the windows of the White House who will magically make the GOP do my bidding despite my failure to lift a finger to help down ballot Dems win elections!"
Your projection wasn't nice at all, kinda sad really. They were quite obviously paid and when their hypocrisy was addressed, it was pretty clear that she had no knowledge or desire to wonder why it was fine when Bernie did things. The fact that they were staged stunts and the pre-planned nature (complete with painted on hash tag and bots ready to push it), made that rather evident.
You have a lovely day too, and remember that projection isn't such a great defense mechanism, especially when wielded so poorly. Acceptance of reality and the notions that not everything is split into good and evil is a healthy way to go about life.
Bernie is no saint, Hillary no devil and political stunts are are what they are, and it doesn't take much to figure out who's behind these, or why.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and the CEOs of major Wall Street Banks.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)look good.
senz
(11,945 posts)or copy Bernie's positions.
She's pragmatic in achieving her goals. Whatever it takes.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Like this:
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)of it at the Washington Post just a minute ago but it's gone now.
synergie
(1,901 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)synergie
(1,901 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)form of approval. Glad to see you liked the idea and adopted it for your own.
senz
(11,945 posts)Someone more creative than me thought it up. The Bernie one is more meaningful, don't you think?
I rather liked this one, too: #sheswithher
riversedge
(70,299 posts)hrmbaja
(59 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It's about time.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I just watched the video of that on another thread and the video of her Blaming Bernie Supporters on Bloomberg TV and she was awful.
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I already posted my reaction on another thread:
Bloomberg TV (of all Places) Showed her Freaking Out..
She sounded deranged. I don't know if she had the SS "Escort" the people out or not, because I just saw it. BUT....She sounded like Donald Trump Yelling "Get 'Em Outta Here....Get 'Em Out!
Was anyone injured? As I said I've been out today and only just saw this.
Anyway...she sounded "Unhinged..Attacking Bernie. Is she working with Trump, or something or just copying him?
senz
(11,945 posts)One was young women chanting at one of her events and the other was one or more Greenpeace supporters asking her questions as she was glad-handing through a crowd.
Is there video of the women chanting & her response? I'd like to see it.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I just saw the first one and second one here on DU and Reddit.
Will get back if I find.
No sweat if you don't.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)She jumps right in on "Bernie people" -- not knowing who the chanters are -- then informs them they're leaving and gives that seriously ugly laugh like the "he died" laugh she's so famous for. And then she starts this tacky, abrasive bragging about how she has more votes than Bernie. All in that awful voice.
And she ends talking about how Bernie can't match her "experience, plans, and vision?" If her husband hadn't just been president she wouldn't have been able to carpet bag her way into a NY Senate seat, and if Obama hadn't had to deal with an implacable enemy that he had to keep close, she wouldn't have gotten SOS -- where she wrecked Libya and lined her coffers with quid pro quo money from weapons manufacturers. Experience, my ass.
Who in their right mind would vote for that?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)So since it's unlikely young women had $2700 to blow for a fundraiser, was the interruption at the "organizing" event?. Organizing is the term HRC uses; cause then it can be embarrassingly small - not like a "rally" where you'd expect thousands.
If the protesters were close enough for her to hear, there will be hell to pay by the organizers! When she was in Madison, WI for an "organizing event" earlier this week, admission was by invitation only, and she had an entire block around the venue closed to not just vehicles, but even to pedestrians. Yup! Public streets and sidewalks in the heart of the state university, and on the first day of classes following spring break.
Bow when she enters, and don't make eye contact!
Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 1:00pm 3:00pm
Westchester Organizing Event with Hillary Clinton
http://hillaryspeeches.com/scheduled-events/
synergie
(1,901 posts)not by the secret service? I mean, gosh, it's not like there are a bunch of violent morons who are busy frothing at the mouth, sending death threats, and taking out obituaries or anything, right?
The lengths you guys go to, in order to ignore common sense and dismiss reality just to swipe nastily at her would be amusing if it wasn't so sad.
Please read up on how his holiness Bernie also makes his followers wait, before he enters his venues full of chanting devotees, and shoves aside his wife so that he may bask in the adulation by himself. (And yes, I am mocking you by poking fun at how Bernie's conduct is never ever mentioned while you're pretending that secret service realities are some sort of royal decree from the woman you love so very much to hate.)
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)punched or dragged out
21st Century Poet
(254 posts)I leapt to Sanders's defence when his rally was interrupted by Black Lives Matter.
I leapt to Trump's defence when his rally was interrupted by Moveon.org.
Now I leap to Clinton's defence when she is interrupted by Bernie supporters.
Let people express their political beliefs freely and without interruption. Let them gather to express their support for their chosen presidential candidate. It is their right. If you want to protest, do so, but do not interrupt or impinge others from exercising their political and democratic rights. Some parts of the left seem to have a problem understanding these basic concepts. This makes the left look bad. And it looks doubly bad when those on the left try to eat their own side alive. The way both Clinton and Sanders have been called racist and sexist at different times of the campaign is beyond ridiculous. Republicans delight in seeing Democrats throw these ridiculous accusations at each other because it feeds into the meme that Democrats are only about identity politics. Don't please the Republicans.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)to make that decision for anyone else? I swear the behavior around here gets more cult like every single day. It's nauseating.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)but not on Bernie's side.
Just sayin'.
you meant to say not JUST on Bernie's side. Just sayin.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)Thanks for checking.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)At least I'm willing to admit both sides suck sometimes. But then again, I've been called too stupid to know what's good for me by the Bernie supporters so what do I know.
hrmbaja
(59 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)handily. By double digits. To be honest, I don't know one person here voting for Bernie.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)If it was one rare Clinton tea parties I would say OK you are right. But I think BLM actually has a right to what they did because the issues is some serious shit with cops killing blacks because they can. And they need to wake people up to the fact.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)there would have been violence.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)As long as both sides respect that, then we're all good. Neither Clinton's nor Sanders' rallies should be anything like the repugnant bullshit we see at Trump rallies.
A reminder on how we do things over here;
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)ignored, then they are not accomplishing what they came to accomplish.
The more negatively the speaker reacts the more they help the protesters cause.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)according to 3 articles I have read. Hillary said very little. She let her supporters chant a bit then she quieted them down and went on.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Then she poked her finger in the face in the audience with the Protestor screaming at her!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)turned against the protesters when it was trump at the other end and the same thing will happen here. Hope they like the result.
astrophuss42
(290 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If they want to protest quietly or outside that's fine but trying to drown out Hillary isn't cool.
We wouldn't like it if they did it to Bernie.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)and they weren't Bernie supporters
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This primary season has been interesting to say the least.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)look somehow sympathetic? Failed anyhow.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I think the BLM protesters who got in Bernie's face just made themselves look stupid.
Quietly hold up a sign? OK
Speak quietly without drowning out others? OK
Screaming and yelling? Not OK.
Bernie showed remarkable restraint. The BLM protesters just looked like asses.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)As it is when any group acts out like that, getting physical and screaming always causes a backlash.
Silent protest is more powerful imo, especially with social media. Remember the young Muslim woman at Trump's rally?
That took courage.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Sums it up nicely.
It would make a good bumper sticker.
senz
(11,945 posts)Or a sign to unfold at a Hill rally.
Nightjock
(1,408 posts)it was wrong. Hillary is not spewing hate like Trump.
I am not riding the fence. I will be devastated if she wins and after the "Bernie is mean to his wife" incident I may vote down ticket and leave POTUS unchecked. But it is WRONG to interrupt her talking to her supporters.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)when you need a little boost.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)I love how she says "Bernie people" and the news outlets run with that. Easy for her.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)and then she launches into her instant snarling put-downs.
Yuk. But people will be taken in by it.
Marr
(20,317 posts)So pre-planned.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)she knew it was going to happen.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)That's my rumor, and I'm sticking to it.
Unless there's proof otherwise, anyway.
hrmbaja
(59 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Is a tactic that has proven appeal to Hillary supporters on DU.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Not rude, democracy.
Hillary got angry but did it in a way that shows her strength.
Win win here, sort of.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Don't know what Hillary did. How did she handle it? I hope calmly. I want a calm President in the face of adversity.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)So tired of their misogyny.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)Keep your propaganda lines consistent or you'll never reach your dream of becoming DU's Goebbels!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)because of the chant.
Why is it assumed they're from the Sanders campaign?
jillan
(39,451 posts)She could've just as easily invited them to stay and hear what she had to say but instead she decided to yell at them.