Bernie?

No thanks.

but not along the lines of Bernie.

"George Orwell wrote that "religion is the last refuge of a scoundrel" a take on Alfred North Whitehead's "religion is the last refuge of human savagery" and Samuel Johnson's "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." (the last according to Boswell)

“They say that patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings steal a little and they throw you in jail. Steal a lot and then they make you king.”
Bob Dylan

OK, that's all my research for today.

is right up there with phony religious righteousness.

I'm actually quite sure most BSers know perfectly well that Hillary has been a practicing Methodist her entire life. Her record of using government to empower religion and to use taxpayer funds to assist religious functions is actually one of my biggest, most serious problems with her. I have the strongest objection to using taxpayer money to teach children I'm going to hell.

But for far-left and other opportunistic partisans, criticizing her for being GENUINELY RELIGIOUS will of course wait for a time when THAT makes a good weapon.

That goes for all of them. Unfortunately, though, there are an awful lot of people in this country who think their government leaders ought to believe what they believe, notwithstanding what the Constitution says about that: "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States" (Article VI, Clause 3). Of course, most people have never read the Constitution, either, although they claim to know what's in it.

I think Bernie would win that contest. That will be the only thing he wins, ultimately.

Even if he makes it close, he will never get enough delegates.

To see

to support him over The Panderer.

Christians can actually run for President in this country.

So can anyone else.

I'm an atheist, so I don't really care ... unless you are an endtimer hoping to kick off the endtimes.

Matthew 7:1-3 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Judging Others
7 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and [a]by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

If someone has an issue with this, too bad on them.

she came to DC.

That is twisted faith.

So what???

Hillary Clinton was not a member of "The Family" but a "friend".

She met with Doug Coe.

They had an event for her at "The Cedars".

She was a regular prayer partner with the spouses of Jim Baker (Susan who was a board member of Dobson's Focus on the Family), Jack Kemp, Eileen Bakke (Charter school advocate, wife of Dennis Bakke), and Bill Nelson among others.

Hillary Clinton collaborated on (sex negative) sex trafficking legislation that was opposed by progressives wanting to reduce and control sex trafficking.

And so on

edit: in title had typed 272 to 270 when should have been 277, as corrected.

Some liberal, some conservative. She's open to other people's views and opinions. Listening to someone doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with them.

but was spin to put Hillary Clinton in a favorable light.

It is good when a politician listens to all and is inclusive (but also decisive).

Hillary Clinton comes from a relatively liberal methodist background to my understanding.

However, IMO (and Sharlet's) Hillary Clinton approached "The Family" over power not spirituality.

Clinton may have been in mode to keep one's enemies close but Clinton never denounced what should be a vile group to all Democrats but became a regular and made friends and allies.

Hillary Clinton not only did not denounce the group but supported Sam Brownback in the proposed sexual trafficking legislation that was opposed by progressives. Hillary Clinton supports Charter Schools (some other Democrats do as well including Rahm and POTUS Obama), a strong issue for the militant Christians who want to harm public education.

The point of my response is that you posted an untruth and, when pointed out, you spun and excused. Nice.

Why do you have a cross in your avatar and then use religion as a cudgel?

It seems like a paradox.

Thank you in advance.

Oh, I oppose faith tests for higher office, whether a candidate has an abundance or paucity of it.

Faith is paradoxical.

Matthew 7:1-3 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Judging Others
7 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?


I too am a Christian and don't stand in judgement of others faith or lack thereof, it's not my place to judge a person who goes to church as to their motivation as that would be judging.

Faith is not religion. Discernment is not judgement, nor is critical questioning.

Fwiw, what do you make of the New Apostolic Reformation/NAR that has influenced HRC's and many other politician's growth of faith through the K Street Family leadership like Doug Coe or one of the cofounder's of NAR Billy Graham?

New Apostolic Reformation (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Apostolic_Reformation

Certainly no more than your average politician.

The part where King Solomon becomes The Richest Man in the World?

When a politician ticks the church box, beware the pandering to follow.

Harry Potter makes more sense than the Bible.

To base all of your thinking on the invisible guy in the sky is just absurd to me. Please tell me she's just pandering.

It reminds me of when I want to be a jerk to my dog, I'll break up several treats and throw them hither-dither around the living room and watch him scurry from place to place as fast as possible, in order to get all the pieces.

The desperate pandering is almost sad to watch.

Sermon of the Mount, of course

too little, too late.

Do you really think that one of the most well known and iconic women in the world couldn't get and invitation to a conference at the Vatican if she so chose????

She invited him to her foundation gala, but he and others, turned her down. She doesn't exactly fit in with this conference.

But, if you think that Hillary could not attend that conference or some other event if she had made it known that she was interested in attending, is just funny.

Bill Clinton pardon controversy (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

It's okay when Bernie does it, I guess.
Wish they all could be atheists or keep their mouths shut.

There are plenty of people of faith in the party. Personally, if I'm in town, I attend church every Sunday.

Hillary's faith has always been important to her and she has talked about it since her days in the WH.

As for her "fans", we are doing fine. Thank you for caring.

Despite that often posted Mother Jones article.

according to "The Family" as reported by Jeff Sharlet.

See my earlier posts in this thread.

IMO her actions regards to "The Family" are Machiavellian.

I assume she didn't burst into flame, she didn't did she?

Just making sure.

If it's the former what does it say about their character?

"The Bible was and remains the biggest influence on my thinking..."

Talking points, pope fallout, yadda yadda yadda.

Without HRC's blessings this wonderful thread is on topic as her faithful DLC brothers and sisters are harming her campaign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027191121

Caribbean Financial Action Task Force/CFATF
http://www.cfatf-gafic.org

(The National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book 445 pdf)
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB445/docs/20110613.PDF