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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:21 PM Apr 2016

Tempers Flare Behind the Scenes of Democratic Debate Negotiations

Sam Frizell @Sam_Frizell 7:10 PM ET

The testy debate negotiations between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders campaigns spilled out into the open on Saturday, with each side accusing the other of political gamesmanship and making unreasonable demands.

Behind closed doors, both camps have been hotly disputing where and when to host a debate before the New York primary on April 19. On Saturday the fight went public.

“The Sanders campaign needs to stop with the games,” Clinton national press secretary Brian Fallon said in a public statement Saturday morning. “The voters of New York deserve better.”

A few minutes later, Sanders campaign fired back with a public statement of its own. “The people of New York and America deserve to see and hear a debate on the important issues facing the state and country,” said Sanders campaign spokesman Michael Briggs.

The exchange was a reflection of rising tensions between the two campaigns. With distrust between the Sanders and Clinton campaigns high in recent months, the teams are negotiating the debate schedule strictly through a third party at the DNC, instead of dealing directly.

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http://time.com/4280032/democratic-debate-new-york-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-negotiations/

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Tempers Flare Behind the Scenes of Democratic Debate Negotiations (Original Post) Purveyor Apr 2016 OP
At a certain point in 2008, the Obama campaign said NO MORE DEBATES to Hillary. We've reached that Metric System Apr 2016 #1
Ha ha ha. dchill Apr 2016 #2
Hillary lost her nerve? HubertHeaver Apr 2016 #3
I agree. Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #4
Except for the whole "keep your word" thing. IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #6
Yea and Hillary bitched about it and I was right there agree with her in 2008. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #8
And how many debates were there in 2000 and 2004? 2008 was an anomaly. Metric System Apr 2016 #12
9,15 Gwhittey Apr 2016 #19
What is your concern here? Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #9
After like 23 debates... This year there's been what, 5 or 6? glowing Apr 2016 #10
Yea GE we will not hear anything about it. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #20
Would you mind stating for the record TM99 Apr 2016 #11
Sure, she could pull a trump and renege on the last to she agreed to. morningfog Apr 2016 #13
You have forgotten she has already agreed to three more, for Bernie allowing her ViseGrip Apr 2016 #14
I nominate Bill Moyers to moderate. Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #5
second reddread Apr 2016 #17
And the DNC is neutral? That would be news! sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #7
Stand your ground, Hillary. No more debates. They trash you anyway. Nothing to gain. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #15
Nothing to gain... lots to lose. smiley Apr 2016 #16
Team Clinton is panicked FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #18
I wonder if OBama is in WH now Gwhittey Apr 2016 #21

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
1. At a certain point in 2008, the Obama campaign said NO MORE DEBATES to Hillary. We've reached that
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

point in 2016. NO MORE DEBATES Bernie.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
6. Except for the whole "keep your word" thing.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

Seems like an unnecessary "shoot yourself in the foot" thing to do, especially when "trustworthy" numbers are already upside down.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
8. Yea and Hillary bitched about it and I was right there agree with her in 2008.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

It is bullshit to deny any state a debate, and DNC has been trying real hard not to have them. It is crooked politics and is going to cost the DNC are party. The whole BernieorBust shit really was started when DNC changed the rules when they saw Clinton was going to have a primary. Changing the rules and reducing the numbers of DNC debates reduced the number from 28 in 2008 to 6
in 2016. This was clearly done for same reason you are saying no more debates. You want to win by any means necessary and not giving the other people who are voting a chance to get to see Sanders. Which is probably a smart thing because Clinton sucks so bad in debates she loses votes.
This is when I saw many Sanders supporters say DNC is fucked and Hillary is not getting their votes.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
9. What is your concern here?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:38 PM
Apr 2016

They had 25 debates in 2008 and only 6 scheduled for 2016.

The DNC only wanted 6 but agreed to 10 after being ridiculed for slanting the primary season.

The candidates and DNC agreed to another in April and the last in May.

Total of 10.

What are you afraid of---that more people will get to know Sanders and vote for him?

The writing is on the wall......

https://www.democrats.org/more/the-2016-primary-debate-schedule



 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
10. After like 23 debates... This year there's been what, 5 or 6?
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

All picked on dates that no one but political junkies would be watching. Everyone knows, including Morning Joe, the debates were horrifically rigged to keep Clinton the inevitable.

The Clinton Camp is getting testy and nasty because they could lose this and with the FBI investigation, who knows how much further she's going. Any other candidate under FBI investigation wouldn't have the audacity to run, let alone stay in a race and out the party and country in jeapordy.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
20. Yea GE we will not hear anything about it.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

The Email will go away I am sure. I read a few of the FOIA emails and some of them are not going to paint a pretty picture. Clinton is lucky Sanders wanted Email off limits. And she has the spoiled nerve to cry about him being dirty.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
11. Would you mind stating for the record
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

exactly how many debates were completed at that point in the 2008 campaign?

Then please list exactly how many debates we have had thus far in the 2016 campaign. Please do not include 'town halls' as those are NOT debates.

Let's compare and contrast shall we?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
13. Sure, she could pull a trump and renege on the last to she agreed to.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

Did Obama pull out of previously agreed to debates?

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
14. You have forgotten she has already agreed to three more, for Bernie allowing her
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:56 PM
Apr 2016

the hail mary for New Hampshire. A deal is a deal. She already has a problem in the area of people taking her for her word.

Do you have any idea how much blow back she would get for going back on her agreed deal? Or did you forget she made that deal??

Well she did. Now during the finals game where NY is playing? Really now. FFS.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
5. I nominate Bill Moyers to moderate.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

He won't accept a script and it would get down to topics avoided thus far---TPP and Climate Change and Global Warming for starters. It's time we had a REAL debate.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
15. Stand your ground, Hillary. No more debates. They trash you anyway. Nothing to gain.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:00 PM
Apr 2016

And this is a big distraction from your message. That is exactly what the BS campaign wants to do.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
16. Nothing to gain... lots to lose.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

But IMO, she should stand by her word and "be prepared to debate anytime, anywhere".

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
18. Team Clinton is panicked
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

I have been keeping an eye on their Twitter's and their desperation is palpable. Clinton Collapse Deux is well under way.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
21. I wonder if OBama is in WH now
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 09:39 PM
Apr 2016

Laughing at this and thinking "Ha you nasty evil lady I remember what you said about me in 2008, wait till you lose I am going to send FBI to take you away during the your convention speech"

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