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Sanders sees that he could conceivably win, and the bern has turned derty. I hoped he would be the man he said he was, but for a far-left radical to pursue his goals ruthlessly and dishonestly is not only natural but to be expected IF he turned out to an extremist. The righteousness that characterizes extremists on both the left and right allows them to justify, under the wrong conditions, just about any behavior...

Of course, it is still possible that Sanders is only a bit radical and that his dirty tricks and lies are merely a combination of that and the typical behavior of amoral politicians in his position.

a whole series of lies that accused HRC of selling out to oil companies. It's scarcely his only "series of" lies, either.

I call on Sanders' supporters to drop their holier-than-thou attitude. Sanders abandoned the top of hill almost before he occupied it -- for the far better returns he could get by fighting from the gutters. You know, what works better to take down a frontrunner -- GOP tactics.

I presume that anyone who wants to be president of the united states of america has some flaws, like all of us here and anyone I've ever met.

Both Sanders and Clinton are a million times better than any of the republican candidates. We need more like both of them as president, in congress, in state legislatures, on local school boards and as mayors etc.

I think it's foolish to presume that between Clinton and Sanders one is perfect and the other some constant lying warmongering corporate sellout. I think both would fight very hard for reducing inequality but I don't think either can do it without a tremendous upsurge in voting among all progressives, particularly in mid-term elections and in every damn local state and congressional election.

Among the remaining candidates in both parties, Clinton has actually been the most honest. I'm sorry I don't have a link but I did read that last week. To me it doesn't require a link because she is talking about what can and cannot be done. Sanders is just running to her left, and therefore making tons of promises even he knows he cannot keep.

Just my two cents.

and we may agree to disagree slightly. I still like you! To me, Bernie has gone very negative against Hillary lately and her campaign has been calling her a liar at every opportunity. For about the past two or three weeks. I find that disappointing. Hillary is focusing more on the absolutely incompetency, racism, venal economic policies and outrageous shortsightedness of the republicans. I happen to agree with that more than getting into pissing matches between democrats and the left who (at least in November) will need one another to defeat the enemies.

Why it is disappointing that he responds but not that she has been running a negative lying campaign?

I think campaigns get into some crazy stuff. I think both candidates themselves are pretty darn good. I think this democratic primary campaign has actually been much more issues oriented than many in the past. In their debates they've both done very well at presenting their cases to the American people. Unlike the republicans who to me look like a WWF fake freak. Maybe great for entertainment but not in the least sincere or real. As I've said, I'd vote for Sanders or Clinton in November, gladly.

to those of us on the left. I respect & appreciate that and hope it continue invigorating the left and the democratic party.

He sits on that board while you all proudly stand with him!!!!

Listen to Sarandon...

Also don't waste my time on people who brag about not voting. That's some of the most ignorant shit I've ever seen. Also, it's like talking to a fundamentalist. You just can't persuade them of anything. Eventually they just bore you to tears. 'Wanna go shoot hoops?' 'Not with the corporate blah blah blah blah.'

Plus infinity.

If you have a rebuttal, type it.

The link doesn't go to anything of the kind, but someone recced this turd?

But Medium links tend to break on BBcode sites like DU. Try this one:

https://medium.com/%40DmitriMehlhorn/the-pervasive-dishonesty-of-the-sanders-campaign-ec6eff57f22f

So, "the NRA spent a lot of money to get Sanders elected" would be a bit more accurate.

And they did. To help him win.

First off the NRA isn't legally allowed to donate to campaigns because it's a 501(c)(4). They do have a connected PAC, the NRA-ILA, which legally could donate directly to campaigns, but since they could only donate $2700 to a candidate they don't bother because they can have a bigger impact just by running ads.

The NRA spent $20,000 running ads telling people to vote for Bernie Sanders. If you don't count that as "getting money", then nobody has ever "gotten money" from the NRA.

Hell, I've seen a couple of them.

Hell, you can tell in your own link those aren't campaign donations, because they exceed the maximum allowable contributions.

Like, for example, mailers saying "vote for Bernie Sanders".

Hillary is lying about her oil money contributions?

I'll see your "NRA wrote a letter" and raise you "4.5 Million in Big Oil contributions".

Candidates can't control outside groups. The charges against Clinton and Sanders are equally dishonest here.

Kentonio (1,596 posts)
37. Apologies, for some reason I thought it had been posted as a reply to you.

"...But Clinton’s campaign chairman was not pleased by the news that Correct the Record was about to unleash an attack on Sanders’ health. “Chill out,” campaign chairman John Podesta tweeted at Brock. “We're fighting on who would make a better president, not on who has a better physical fitness test.”
..."


Here's the Washington Post talking about the SuperPACs decision to split off and coordinate directly with the campaign via the loophole in the rules by the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/05/12/how-a-super-pac-plans-to-coordinate-directly-with-hillary-clintons-campaign/
A clear conscience is a sign of a bad memory..
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39. That's a violation of law

I hope the FEC fines the Clinton campaign for it
Finalement quand on voit ce qui peut être fait au nom de Dieu, on se demande ce qu'il reste au diable comme activité

aaaaaand who served as COO at Michelle Rhee's StudentsFirst.

Gotta be brave and fight online for the marginalized, donchaknow?!



Welcome to the new and improved DU!

The blogs I've seen linked to lately are from some nasty bigots. People should be careful what they link to here.

Wonder why that is?

I have another one pegged, too.

I guess the rationale is that the latest offending comments weren't actually made at DU. If such comments were made here, a PPR would be in order. IF the site owners are consistent...

But remember what Orwell wrote:

"Four legs good, two legs better!" *










*Note to jury: no one is being called an animal in this post even though it is a quote from Animal Farm, see explanation here. Thank you for serving.

"some animals are more equal than others" but decided against it, what with are sure to be itchy alert fingers in this thread.

They alerted in me at least 5 times last night.

But I guess that's not enough.

Yep... itchy alert fingers.

It takes the admins far too long to contend with the blatant bigots. A year after her first vile rant is a year too long.

People who are more outraged by uncovering and pointing out bigotry than by the bigotry itself have some messed up priorities.

You've done the yeoman's work around here defending Bernie and you do so in even the most absurd posts. My mother used to say "Patience is a virtue", and as a teenager I'd retort "One I don't have". Well if patience is a virtue you're a damn saint, cause I couldn't put up with half the crap you do. You're amazing, keep up the great work!

Dad taught us how to debate at the supper table, lose your temper, lose the debate.

It helps to keep in mind that no one pays any attention to what people post in here. Most of the time my opponent ignores my points so I do it for the sport and for the benefit of other Bernistas.

When all else fails there's always turtle bombing.

He seems to not be above admitting fault, unlike some people who think they are perfect

But he doesn't have the 67% not honest and trustworthy rating that Hillary has.

Wouldn't have thought it at the outset, though his cowardly stance on guns always had me wondering. But now it's clear, he is a straight up and rather dangerous demagogue. I'd be scared of his people if he took power. He's attracted a lot of fanatics of the "liquidate those who don't agree" variety. It would make the world better, after all, you see.

Scary.

I cannot believe I believed him at first

Some of this shit is too ugly. What's the real reason?

some are and some aren't. I hate fanning flames where none exist. Are you trying to fan more flames or was there another point you're making that I'm missing here?

Um, ethnicity, which I believe informs her opinions. I have no such issues. I'm just protesting here.

Now look at my last comment on this thread and tell me you agree with that vote. EX IM BANK

"He's attracted a lot of fanatics"

Maybe that's your perception. My perception is that Hillary has attracted a lot of anti-Semites. Which is worse?

Anti-semites:
-Hate Jews

"Bernie fanatics":
-Hate Millitary/Prison/Pharma indistrial complexes
-Hate endless Drug warss against all socio-economic classes
-Hate endless wars and "regeime change" in the middle east
-Hate Money in politics
-Hate Classroom to Prison pipeline
-Hate Fracking
-Hate Corruption
-Hate Large corporations which deport hundreds of thousands of jobs
-Hate Racist Dog whistles and demonizing minorities
-May have a Distaste for pant-suites and fake accents

You can count me in the later category, plus a damn million.

Very useful in his way.

Sid

at least this one is not that bad..

I love these types of threads.

but as far as the usual crap, it is not that bad.

but never from this OP.

Yeah, guess you're right... it's not up there with well-known anti-Semitic rants.

Hillary. Must. Not. Lose. Twice.

And even to the point of saying Sanders supporters are like the Nazis and want to exterminate their opponents...Unbelievable...never thought I would hear it on DU.

But I guess going over to the dark side is justified by the end.