2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Wins the Nevada Caucus After All (estimated 14-point win)
After the Clark County Democratic Convention, Bernie Sanders has flipped his close Nevada caucus loss to a 14-point win. The Sanders campaign pulled out a victory in Nevada’s most populous county at this weekend’s convention in Las Vegas.
Las Vegas Sun reporter Megan Messerly confirmed the final delegate count, showing Sanders had flipped Clark County in his favor.
Megan Messerly @meganmesserly
After realignment: 2,386 Clinton, 2,964 Sanders, & 7 uncommitted. 5,357 total.
When adding that new delegate count to the delegate counts from Nevada’s 16 other counties recorded on February 20, Sanders won the state with 4,379 delegates to Clinton’s 3,634 delegates, for a total of 8,013 delegates who will go to the Nevada Democratic Party’s state convention in May. This gives Sanders 57.8 percent of the vote, making him the new winner of the Nevada caucus.
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“The Sanders campaign attorney came by and told Christine, ‘They had some meetings about you and they’re going to remove you,’ they said they didn’t like her tone, and all of these excuses, and it was just lies to get the delegate count their way,” Glass said. “They wanted all the people who came to the caucus as alternates so they could be converted over.”
Video recorded by Angie Sullivan shows the entirety of the attempted meeting, which didn’t end up occurring after sustained pressure from observers:
But on the day of the actual convention, the CCDP pulled out all the stops to prevent Kramar from participating, even calling the police to remove her from the premises. That was when all four members of the credentials committee, including the two delegates for Hillary Clinton, linked arms and sat down in the middle of the convention floor in solidarity with Kramar.
“They told her she was trespassing, even though she’s the credentials chair and an elected delegate,” Sullivan said. “We stood up to them and said, you’re not going to do this.”
Bernie Sanders ✔ @BernieSanders
Current status of the Clark County, Nevada credentials committee.
CCDP leaders even threatened to arrest Kramar for trespassing, calling police to remove her from the premises. At the 1:20 mark of the video below, the officer reads the trespassing statute at the seated members of the credentials committee, but then reiterates that he won’t be arresting them.
“We were standing in solidarity with Christine, because we knew if we didn’t stand strong, it would affect the integrity of the credentials and the voting,” Glass said.
But despite the controversy, Sanders still pulled out a victory in Clark County and, by default, the Nevada caucus. Watch the crowd erupt into cheers and applause when the final numbers are read aloud by a CCDP official (numbers are read at the 1:30 mark)
http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-nevada-democratic-caucus/
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Kittycat
(10,493 posts)For standing strong in the face of absolute corruption.
MattP
(3,304 posts)Nice
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)they were never going to show up for the convention.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)that's right! Well that part serves them right then.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Delegates allocated on the congressional district level are already set in stone
Sorry, Bernie doesn't get to steal those too
w4rma
(31,700 posts)But, maybe you're talking about the undemocratic superdelegates? No, this doesn't affect the superdelegates, directly.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)23 already allocated by districts
w4rma
(31,700 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)There are still 3 undeclared superdelegates, btw. They could erase that gain.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the nomination you are making a big mistake. We have had enough of the corrupt cultures that you revere. We are not going to stop this fight against you and the corrupt Big Money that you seem to put before the working class.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)The vast majority of delegates that will go to the convention are bound to February results, these are the so called District assigned delegates. They account for 23 of the 35 delegates assigned.
Only 5 elected official leaders and 7 at-large delegates decided at the convention. Due to rules, Bernie will flip the at large from a 4-3 loss to a possible 3-4 win. The maybe on the 2nd delegate is if he can get an additional elected official at the state convention.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)on June the 4th.
A. District-Level Delegates and Alternates
1. Nevada is allocated 20 district-level delegates and 2 district-level alternates. (Rule 8.C, Call I.B, I.I, Appendix B & Reg. 4.31)
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a. The district-level delegates and alternates shall be elected by a three-tier caucus-to-convention system.
1) The first tier and determining step are the February 20th precinct caucuses, which elect delegates to the county conventions.
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2) The second tier and step of the delegate selection process shall be county conventions, held on April 2nd.
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3) The final tier and step of the delegate selection process shall be the June 4th and 5th state convention.
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C. Pledged Party Leader and Elected Official (PLEO) Delegates
1. Nevada is allotted 4 pledged Party Leader and Elected Official (PLEO) delegates. (Call I.D, E & Appendix B)
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The pledged PLEO slots shall be allocated among presidential preferences on the same basis as the at-large delegates. (Rule 9.B.2, Rule 10.C, Rule 13.E & Rule F)
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D. At-Large Delegates and Alternates
1. The state of Nevada is allotted 7 at-large delegates and 1 at-large alternates. (Rule 8.C, Call I.B, II, Appendix B & Reg. 4.31)
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b. These delegates and alternates will be selected by the state convention as a whole by non-secret signed ballot. (Rule 8.E & Rule 10.B)
http://nvdems.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/NSDP_DelegateSelectionPlan_2016.pdf
w4rma
(31,700 posts)● These County Conventions choose the county's delegates to the Nevada State Democratic Convention. While a non-binding Presidential Preference Poll is conducted during the Conventions, delegates at the County level are not bound to their declared Presidential preference. The number of national convention can be estimated base on voting in today's convention. No national convention delegates are selected until the state Convention on 14 May.
Saturday 14 May - Sunday 15 May 2016: The Nevada State Democratic Convention convenes to choose 35 of Nevada's 43 delegates to the Democratic National Convention. A binding Presidential Preference vote will occur by 10AM PDT on 14 May. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates at either the congressional district or statewide level. Presidential candidates have the right to approve their pledged delegates.
● 23 district delegates are to be allocated proportionally to presidential contenders based on the support among the delegates to the State Convention from the State's congressional districts.
● In addition, 12 delegates are to be allocated to presidential contenders based on the support among the delegates to the State Convention as a whole.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NV-D
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Most likely result is 19-16 Clinton instead of the estimated 20-15 result after the first round.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)It is the rules.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)He's not getting a haul out of this, sorry.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)on June the 4th.
A. District-Level Delegates and Alternates
1. Nevada is allocated 20 district-level delegates and 2 district-level alternates. (Rule 8.C, Call I.B, I.I, Appendix B & Reg. 4.31)
…
a. The district-level delegates and alternates shall be elected by a three-tier caucus-to-convention system.
1) The first tier and determining step are the February 20th precinct caucuses, which elect delegates to the county conventions.
…
2) The second tier and step of the delegate selection process shall be county conventions, held on April 2nd.
…
3) The final tier and step of the delegate selection process shall be the June 4th and 5th state convention.
…
C. Pledged Party Leader and Elected Official (PLEO) Delegates
1. Nevada is allotted 4 pledged Party Leader and Elected Official (PLEO) delegates. (Call I.D, E & Appendix B)
…
The pledged PLEO slots shall be allocated among presidential preferences on the same basis as the at-large delegates. (Rule 9.B.2, Rule 10.C, Rule 13.E & Rule F)
…
D. At-Large Delegates and Alternates
1. The state of Nevada is allotted 7 at-large delegates and 1 at-large alternates. (Rule 8.C, Call I.B, II, Appendix B & Reg. 4.31)
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b. These delegates and alternates will be selected by the state convention as a whole by non-secret signed ballot. (Rule 8.E & Rule 10.B)
http://nvdems.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/NSDP_DelegateSelectionPlan_2016.pdf
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)The at-large and LEOs. Everyone else is bound by the February results (The district levels).
The math isn't hard. If Bernie wins the proportional allotment by 10% that is slightly over 1 delegate (10% x 12 unbound = 1.2). In this case it looks like he did get the second. So he gained a total of two delegates in NV.
The explanation and chat by country is right here:
https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sanders-likely-flips-two-delegates-after-dominating-clark-convention
w4rma
(31,700 posts)● These County Conventions choose the county's delegates to the Nevada State Democratic Convention. While a non-binding Presidential Preference Poll is conducted during the Conventions, delegates at the County level are not bound to their declared Presidential preference. The number of national convention can be estimated base on voting in today's convention. No national convention delegates are selected until the state Convention on 14 May.
Saturday 14 May - Sunday 15 May 2016: The Nevada State Democratic Convention convenes to choose 35 of Nevada's 43 delegates to the Democratic National Convention. A binding Presidential Preference vote will occur by 10AM PDT on 14 May. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates at either the congressional district or statewide level. Presidential candidates have the right to approve their pledged delegates.
● 23 district delegates are to be allocated proportionally to presidential contenders based on the support among the delegates to the State Convention from the State's congressional districts.
● In addition, 12 delegates are to be allocated to presidential contenders based on the support among the delegates to the State Convention as a whole.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NV-D
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Fine, Hillary supporters, let's make a deal - I'll support getting rid of caucuses if you support getting rid of superdelegates.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Bernie "Three Pinocchios" Sanders has no path to the nomination. 
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)This is a theft from the people who came out to caucus. It's even less democratic than a caucus vote is. And yet you cheer it.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Take it up with the Nevada Democratic Party - they make the rules.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)This process is only slightly better than the fraud and suppression in Arizona. The fact that this time the ball bounced our way may make sense in a "macro justice" kind of way, but like superdelegates, it's not the right way to choose a president.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)highprincipleswork
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Zorra
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DemocratSinceBirth
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