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fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:56 AM Apr 2016

Rachel Maddow Show Analyzes Bernie's Claim That HILLARY Is In The Pocket Of Big Oil... It's FALSE!

"MSNBC’s report noted that Clinton has not “taken any money from PACs tied to the oil and gas industry, or companies themselves.” Lobbyists with at least some connection to the industry have made contributions, but the bulk of that money has gone to super PACs that Clinton cannot legally control.
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So my question is… Why, if there is so little air between Hillary and Sanders, is his campaign pushing a weak, if not completely untrue narrative about Hillary? Desperation? Swinging maliciously to tear down the front runner? It seems to me if this is untruthful… Bernie is damaging Hillary and creating a false narrative that is unfairly damaging her standing with voters who hold the environment as one of their top issues. Maybe it would be more honest to look at Hillary’s positions and voting record on this very important issue."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/2/1509392/-Rachel-Maddow-Show-Analyzes-Bernie-s-Claim-That-HILLARY-Is-In-The-Pocket-Of-Big-Oil-It-s-FALSE

Everyone on all sides should stand against this. He is traveling State to State spreading falsehoods.

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Rachel Maddow Show Analyzes Bernie's Claim That HILLARY Is In The Pocket Of Big Oil... It's FALSE! (Original Post) fun n serious Apr 2016 OP
What if Rachel's show is funded by big oil? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #1
"Everyone on all sides should stand against this" WHY DOES BERNIE HATE AMERICA? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #2
Yes, why? seabeyond Apr 2016 #3
Haven't you been reading DU? Because he's a COMMIE! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #7
You edited out your post. You know, the part about across the nation lying. seabeyond Apr 2016 #9
Yup because I don't like to post text above images. And I like edits. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #10
LOL. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #11
Lol! They love to check my edits, what do they think I'm hiding? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #12
Ha Busted agian Gwhittey Apr 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author kristopher Apr 2016 #63
Clinton's Cheerleader doesn't have any credibility. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #4
Maddow's credibility is stellar fun n serious Apr 2016 #5
She used to but now she's being forced to earn her 7 mill. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #39
Ding, ding! dchill Apr 2016 #53
They took all the money saved by firing the real progressives, gave her a bit, and pocketed the rest leveymg Apr 2016 #55
If she is what represents stellar credibility, God help this country. Skwmom Apr 2016 #42
They will literally throw everything out until they are left defending Trump Kittycat Apr 2016 #6
Pretty sure that is Green Peace's charge originally. JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #8
It is and the Sanders team credited it as such karynnj Apr 2016 #31
Agreed fully. I just sighed when I saw that 'fact check' JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #43
Rachel Maddow EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #13
Has Rachel taken Hillary to task for anything? Or is she playing objective journalistic sympathetic WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #14
Rachel Maddow is one of the most trusted sources there is fun n serious Apr 2016 #15
Then again, she may be biased and ignoring the other side. Understand my question? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #16
Except you just said you don't care about links mythology Apr 2016 #58
Have you ever heard of a rhetorical question? That statement was rhetorical. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #62
I get it. I see every news organization is up in Hillary's shit at the moment. Rachel is her WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #19
Your reading comprehensive skills are lacking. Non sequitur after non sequitur. Not impressed. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #20
At least I'm awake nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #21
Your transparency page should certainly be a wake up call.... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #26
Sanders supporters run from facts fun n serious Apr 2016 #27
I'll give you an example of what I'm asking. Here's a great piece just waiting to be picked up! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #24
Not anymore. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #41
Get back under that bus, Rachel!!! Right now! nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #18
There is a difference between being thrown from a bus Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #23
Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Apr 2016 #48
Maddow is the one who calls Pat Buchanan her 'Uncle Pat' and mixes cocktails while giving her Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #25
All of them are lying? fun n serious Apr 2016 #28
She was fine Gwhittey Apr 2016 #30
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #32
I understand why people like you feel this way Gwhittey Apr 2016 #33
It was all a LIE fun n serious Apr 2016 #34
Wow you are well bye bye Gwhittey Apr 2016 #35
According to FAIR.... pandora nm Apr 2016 #36
Used to admire Rachael until she went over the cliff ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #37
Under the bus with you Rachel. Darb Apr 2016 #40
Yep. She's doing it to herself. Money corrupts, unfortunately. She had so much promise. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #44
I guess if you make money you are a fascist? Is that the thrust? Darb Apr 2016 #45
Did I say anywhere in any post she was fascist? ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #46
So she's just dishonest? Darb Apr 2016 #47
She's extremely dishonest. Yes. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #50
"A lie goes around the world......." Darb Apr 2016 #38
Almost every negative Bernie spouts about Hillary are halve lies, innuendos and full on lies Sheepshank Apr 2016 #49
Rachel is in clinton's pocket. We need new sources! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #51
Maddow defined Bernie falsely...she lied. SHRED Apr 2016 #52
Sure it is. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #54
Whooooo listens to Maddow? She's been outed so many times. You have to be desperate to go to her. snowy owl Apr 2016 #56
Maddow who is in the pocket of Hillary "proves" Hillary is not in the pocket of big oil! BillZBubb Apr 2016 #57
*this* 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #59
America for a better tomorrow, tomorrow azmom Apr 2016 #60
Hillary Clinton directly coordinates with David Brock's superPAC. delrem Apr 2016 #61
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
1. What if Rachel's show is funded by big oil?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:57 AM
Apr 2016

Oh wait, it is.




If she wasn't willing to say that, she wouldn't have a show in the first place

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Haven't you been reading DU? Because he's a COMMIE!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:06 AM
Apr 2016

His campaign funded by Israel and Russia, he's a Trotskist, a Stalinst, a Big Jew who wants to destroy the party AND America by turning it socialist.*






*note to jury: not making any of this up, all of those things have been posted.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
12. Lol! They love to check my edits, what do they think I'm hiding?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:28 AM
Apr 2016

If I didn't want them to see something I'd delete it.

Oooooo, I'll start doing that next, that'll drive em crazy.


Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
5. Maddow's credibility is stellar
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:04 AM
Apr 2016

You should be asking yourself why you believe what you do without being presented with facts and without proper vetting your source. To continue to deny falsehoods have been spread about Hillary Clinton is disgraceful.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
55. They took all the money saved by firing the real progressives, gave her a bit, and pocketed the rest
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

It's how America works.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
31. It is and the Sanders team credited it as such
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

I read the NYT checker on it and it seems that the OBJECTIVE claim, including the more than $1 million to the super PAC is accurate. What they say is "not that much" is Sanders comment that it is a significant amount. That SUBJECTIVE comment is what they dispute.

To me, it has always been the FACTS that get fact checked. In addition, it is not at all true that they are both doing the same thing. The difference is the Super Pac.

Diminishing it because it is a small percent ignores that small percents add up. After all the super PAC gets a lot from Wall Street as well.

As you point out, it was Greenpeace, not Sanders, who raised this accusation. It looks like the media completely ignored that, taking Clinton's accusation that it was a Sanders lie as where to start.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
43. Agreed fully. I just sighed when I saw that 'fact check'
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

It's a sad day when a moderately informed citizen knows that the fact checkers are way off. I would encourage you to write to the public editor, or a letter to the paper, to correct this.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
13. Rachel Maddow
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:18 AM
Apr 2016

Is awful, and untrustworthy.

And you should look at who sponsors her show, pays her salary, because it was Boeing for months... And Boeing has donated to the Clintons and uses the Clintons Campaign Chairman's lobbying firm.... And pays the Maddow show 10s of thousands for advertising...

So expecting her to then be honest about Bernie or Hillary is a stretch.

We've seen the media repeatedly lie about Bernie and Hillary; this is just another example.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
16. Then again, she may be biased and ignoring the other side. Understand my question?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:38 AM
Apr 2016

Paste more links that I could give 2 shits about, it will only encourage me to further question her journalistic objectivity. Unless you can demonstrate otherwise, her one-sided storytelling is Busch League, hack journalism. To me, it appears she's using her "most trusted source" status to give Clinton cover.

Do you understand why you can't be both a Busch League hack and the "most trusted source" at the same time?

Let me know when she does some objective journalism.

Thanks!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
58. Except you just said you don't care about links
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

so why should anybody waste any time on trying to convince you of anything? You've very proudly announced that you're fine with ignoring evidence contrary to your opinion. It's no different than being a climate change denier or not believing in evolution. You aren't willing to look at opposing evidence and being willing to change you mind based on it.

That's fine, but I think Bill Nye wasted his time debating Ken Hamm. And like Ken Hamm, you just stated that no evidence will change you mind since you "don't give 2 shits" about links.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
62. Have you ever heard of a rhetorical question? That statement was rhetorical.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 06:35 AM
Apr 2016

She got disarmed by Jane Sanders last night. She even agreed that Bernie raised money and campaigned hard for Obama. Let's see what Rachel does going forward since she's been complicit in the false "Bernie is a selfish freeloader" meme promulgated by Hillary and her supporters.

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WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
24. I'll give you an example of what I'm asking. Here's a great piece just waiting to be picked up!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

Rachel should take Hillary to task over hiring David Brock.

She should say, "Madam Secretary, this WHITE MAN is a 'recovering' Conservative -- yeah, OK??? -- self professed liar, misogynistic hitman, and by the way he set out to destroy Anita Hill, probably just a little racist, don't you think? So, you know, here at TRMS, we've spent weeks -- months! -- covering Trump's sexist and racist supporters, but as far as we can discern, David Duke is not on his payroll. It begs the question, Madam Secretary, how do you send a message about empowering women on one hand, but hiring repulsive WHITE MEN to run your campaign? And, if I can ask you to stick around after the break, I'd like for you to respond to Anita Hill. I contacted her yesterday to ask her her thoughts about you selecting David Brock to head your campaign."


GET IT?!

I had just one simple question. Has Rachel every taken Hillary to task for anything? Because you're stuck, I gave you an example of what Rachel taking Hillary to task would look like.

Capisce?!

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
23. There is a difference between being thrown from a bus
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:53 AM
Apr 2016

and purposely falling under one yourself.
Maddow is campaigning in favor of her preference.
She is a surrogate NOT an impartial reporter

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. Maddow is the one who calls Pat Buchanan her 'Uncle Pat' and mixes cocktails while giving her
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:31 AM
Apr 2016

highly repetitive patter to the camera right? I have not seen her show in years. Buchanan is a massively bigoted right wing fascist and I don't play games with those who find him to be legitimate or amusing.
So even if I did see her commentary program, I'd not value her opinions at all. She's got no ethics. She has a rate. But no ethics.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
30. She was fine
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

Until she had to make a choice and the bubble she lived in is being threatened. So her integrity is now eroded away because she like many of you Clinton Supporters will say and do anything to win. You now defend corruption that was always bitched about that the GOP did. You even bring up Koch brothers. What is so wrong with them? They just buy politician to do their bidding. Just same as Clinton donors do.

Response to Gwhittey (Reply #30)

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
33. I understand why people like you feel this way
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:04 AM
Apr 2016

You and most on GOP side don't care about Vets. I care very much about Vets as I am one. And Sanders has been one of only people in congress who has been fighting for Vets from day he got elected to it. But I understand why you think he is a fraud becase you support Clinton and if in your mind you did not picture him as a fraud you would have to admit to your self that you are supporting Clinton who has helped make wounded Vets instead of helping them.

http://vetsforbernie.org/bernies-veterans-bills/

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
35. Wow you are well bye bye
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

Totally off the rocker and waste of bandwidth. Time to stop server from wasting it's bandwidth on your ramblings.

 

pandora nm

(63 posts)
36. According to FAIR....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016
http://fair.org/home/did-sanders-lie-about-clintons-oil-money-npr-factchecker-cant-be-bothered-to-check/

Well—why not include lobbyists with fossil-fuel clients, since that is what the Sanders campaign, like other critics, was explicitly talking about? According to Greenpeace, Clinton has gotten “$1,465,610 in bundled and direct donations from lobbyists currently registered as lobbying for the fossil fuel industry.” That’s quite a bit more string.

And corporations can’t give directly to campaigns, but they can give to Super PACs that support campaigns. Greenpeace cites “$3,250,000 in donations from large donors connected to the fossil fuel industry to Priorities Action USA, a Super PAC supporting Secretary Clinton’s campaign.”

That works out to $5 million altogether. It’s hard to say what the going rate for buying a presidential candidate is, but unlike Overby, I wouldn’t refer to Clinton’s fossil-fuel-industry contributions as “paltry.”

And even though Overby warns you away from looking at the Clinton Foundation—because it’s the sort of thing a “Republican opposition research group” would do—you don’t need to go to a middleman; the Clinton Foundation lists its donors on its website. There you can learn that the Foundation has received at least $10 million from Saudi Arabia; at least $5 million from Kuwait, as well as from oil-refining billionaire Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi; at least $1 million from ExxonMobil, natural gas-producer Cheniere Energy, Qatar, Oman, United Arab Emirates, the Dubai Foundation, “Friends of Saudi Arabia,” etc.




emphasis mine
 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
37. Used to admire Rachael until she went over the cliff
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

for her corporate overlords. 7 million a year comes with stipulations you know. She has lost her credibility, unfortunately.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
45. I guess if you make money you are a fascist? Is that the thrust?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

She should drop her career and head to a commune and grow peas and share them with her bunkmates who grow carrots.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
46. Did I say anywhere in any post she was fascist?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:38 PM
Apr 2016

She's doing what she's paid to do, which is her right. Doesn't make her an honest journalist.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
47. So she's just dishonest?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

I think the theme is pretty clear here with most of the bernies. Grow peas or you are part of the problem.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
38. "A lie goes around the world......."
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

You know the saying. It is a very effective tactic, used by the teapeople all the time. Not sure why it is happening around the DU.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
49. Almost every negative Bernie spouts about Hillary are halve lies, innuendos and full on lies
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 06:19 PM
Apr 2016

But that doesn't stop Weaver from feeding Bernie that information or from Bernie spouting it all....and more importantly the low information and very many first time naive voter doesn't bother to look it up. They assume Bernie is honest, because it's what they hear from other Bernie Bros on line....no shred of evidence, just the repeated mantra.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
57. Maddow who is in the pocket of Hillary "proves" Hillary is not in the pocket of big oil!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

What a laugh. You Hillary fanatics are so easy.

Anyway, Greenpeace made the charge. And TYT showed proved she is in the pocket of big oil. It's TRUE!

azmom

(5,208 posts)
60. America for a better tomorrow, tomorrow
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:41 AM
Apr 2016

Colbert] was able to show America the loopholes (or “loop-chasms” as he called them) in the laws designed to regulate coordination between candidates and supposedly “independent” groups. By having his own Super PAC and 501(c)(4), Stephen could evolve right alongside the campaigns—or often be a step ahead of them. His understanding of the possibilities inherent in the legal confusion was keen enough to discover and exploit absurd legalities before it became clear that actual candidates and political activists were doing the same thing.[23]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colbert_Super_PAC

delrem

(9,688 posts)
61. Hillary Clinton directly coordinates with David Brock's superPAC.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:42 AM
Apr 2016

This is via a loophole in the already incredible post citizens united law.

Brock on his part isn't prohibited from working with other superPACs, not directly connected, so long as he crosses all the t's and dots all the i's in distinguishing each from each. It's that kind of inter-connectivity that gives Brock a certain enhanced value.

I think Rachel Maddow should consider what Hillary Clinton has done for fracking.
But I don't expect much from Rachel anymore.
Quite frankly, she seems shallow.

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