2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRachel Maddow Show Analyzes Bernie's Claim That HILLARY Is In The Pocket Of Big Oil... It's FALSE!
"MSNBCs report noted that Clinton has not taken any money from PACs tied to the oil and gas industry, or companies themselves. Lobbyists with at least some connection to the industry have made contributions, but the bulk of that money has gone to super PACs that Clinton cannot legally control.
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So my question is
Why, if there is so little air between Hillary and Sanders, is his campaign pushing a weak, if not completely untrue narrative about Hillary? Desperation? Swinging maliciously to tear down the front runner? It seems to me if this is untruthful
Bernie is damaging Hillary and creating a false narrative that is unfairly damaging her standing with voters who hold the environment as one of their top issues. Maybe it would be more honest to look at Hillarys positions and voting record on this very important issue."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/2/1509392/-Rachel-Maddow-Show-Analyzes-Bernie-s-Claim-That-HILLARY-Is-In-The-Pocket-Of-Big-Oil-It-s-FALSE
Everyone on all sides should stand against this. He is traveling State to State spreading falsehoods.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Oh wait, it is.
If she wasn't willing to say that, she wouldn't have a show in the first place
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)His campaign funded by Israel and Russia, he's a Trotskist, a Stalinst, a Big Jew who wants to destroy the party AND America by turning it socialist.*
*note to jury: not making any of this up, all of those things have been posted.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Edited.
polly7
(20,582 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If I didn't want them to see something I'd delete it.
Oooooo, I'll start doing that next, that'll drive em crazy.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)You don't love Edits this post has no edit!!!!!
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Skwmom
(12,685 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)You should be asking yourself why you believe what you do without being presented with facts and without proper vetting your source. To continue to deny falsehoods have been spread about Hillary Clinton is disgraceful.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)dchill
(38,514 posts)You don't get something for nothing.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)It's how America works.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Or Cruz. Just wait.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)I read the NYT checker on it and it seems that the OBJECTIVE claim, including the more than $1 million to the super PAC is accurate. What they say is "not that much" is Sanders comment that it is a significant amount. That SUBJECTIVE comment is what they dispute.
To me, it has always been the FACTS that get fact checked. In addition, it is not at all true that they are both doing the same thing. The difference is the Super Pac.
Diminishing it because it is a small percent ignores that small percents add up. After all the super PAC gets a lot from Wall Street as well.
As you point out, it was Greenpeace, not Sanders, who raised this accusation. It looks like the media completely ignored that, taking Clinton's accusation that it was a Sanders lie as where to start.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It's a sad day when a moderately informed citizen knows that the fact checkers are way off. I would encourage you to write to the public editor, or a letter to the paper, to correct this.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Is awful, and untrustworthy.
And you should look at who sponsors her show, pays her salary, because it was Boeing for months... And Boeing has donated to the Clintons and uses the Clintons Campaign Chairman's lobbying firm.... And pays the Maddow show 10s of thousands for advertising...
So expecting her to then be honest about Bernie or Hillary is a stretch.
We've seen the media repeatedly lie about Bernie and Hillary; this is just another example.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)shoulder?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bernie is the one in the TANK with KOCH
Bernie Sanders was the ONLY liberal person who Voted Against Ex-Im Bank. Very puzzling since this is not a vote any democrat would ever make. Well it is a vote that benefits the KOCH BROTHERS who in turn gave money to Sanders Campaign.
http://www.rollcall.com/politics/sanders-unique-among-senate-democrats-opposing-export-import-bank/
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/2016-election-defense-military-industry-contractors-donations-money-contributions-presidential-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-republican-ted-cruz-213783
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-against-ex-im-bank
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Paste more links that I could give 2 shits about, it will only encourage me to further question her journalistic objectivity. Unless you can demonstrate otherwise, her one-sided storytelling is Busch League, hack journalism. To me, it appears she's using her "most trusted source" status to give Clinton cover.
Do you understand why you can't be both a Busch League hack and the "most trusted source" at the same time?
Let me know when she does some objective journalism.
Thanks!
mythology
(9,527 posts)so why should anybody waste any time on trying to convince you of anything? You've very proudly announced that you're fine with ignoring evidence contrary to your opinion. It's no different than being a climate change denier or not believing in evolution. You aren't willing to look at opposing evidence and being willing to change you mind based on it.
That's fine, but I think Bill Nye wasted his time debating Ken Hamm. And like Ken Hamm, you just stated that no evidence will change you mind since you "don't give 2 shits" about links.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)She got disarmed by Jane Sanders last night. She even agreed that Bernie raised money and campaigned hard for Obama. Let's see what Rachel does going forward since she's been complicit in the false "Bernie is a selfish freeloader" meme promulgated by Hillary and her supporters.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)safe space.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Its like a religion. NO FACTS ALL FAITH...
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Rachel should take Hillary to task over hiring David Brock.
She should say, "Madam Secretary, this WHITE MAN is a 'recovering' Conservative -- yeah, OK??? -- self professed liar, misogynistic hitman, and by the way he set out to destroy Anita Hill, probably just a little racist, don't you think? So, you know, here at TRMS, we've spent weeks -- months! -- covering Trump's sexist and racist supporters, but as far as we can discern, David Duke is not on his payroll. It begs the question, Madam Secretary, how do you send a message about empowering women on one hand, but hiring repulsive WHITE MEN to run your campaign? And, if I can ask you to stick around after the break, I'd like for you to respond to Anita Hill. I contacted her yesterday to ask her her thoughts about you selecting David Brock to head your campaign."
GET IT?!
I had just one simple question. Has Rachel every taken Hillary to task for anything? Because you're stuck, I gave you an example of what Rachel taking Hillary to task would look like.
Capisce?!
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)and purposely falling under one yourself.
Maddow is campaigning in favor of her preference.
She is a surrogate NOT an impartial reporter
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)highly repetitive patter to the camera right? I have not seen her show in years. Buchanan is a massively bigoted right wing fascist and I don't play games with those who find him to be legitimate or amusing.
So even if I did see her commentary program, I'd not value her opinions at all. She's got no ethics. She has a rate. But no ethics.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)New York Times, Politico, Local news... all lies?
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Until she had to make a choice and the bubble she lived in is being threatened. So her integrity is now eroded away because she like many of you Clinton Supporters will say and do anything to win. You now defend corruption that was always bitched about that the GOP did. You even bring up Koch brothers. What is so wrong with them? They just buy politician to do their bidding. Just same as Clinton donors do.
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Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)You and most on GOP side don't care about Vets. I care very much about Vets as I am one. And Sanders has been one of only people in congress who has been fighting for Vets from day he got elected to it. But I understand why you think he is a fraud becase you support Clinton and if in your mind you did not picture him as a fraud you would have to admit to your self that you are supporting Clinton who has helped make wounded Vets instead of helping them.
http://vetsforbernie.org/bernies-veterans-bills/
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He wasn't going to do none of that. IT WAS A SCAM
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Totally off the rocker and waste of bandwidth. Time to stop server from wasting it's bandwidth on your ramblings.
pandora nm
(63 posts)And corporations cant give directly to campaigns, but they can give to Super PACs that support campaigns. Greenpeace cites $3,250,000 in donations from large donors connected to the fossil fuel industry to Priorities Action USA, a Super PAC supporting Secretary Clintons campaign.
That works out to $5 million altogether. Its hard to say what the going rate for buying a presidential candidate is, but unlike Overby, I wouldnt refer to Clintons fossil-fuel-industry contributions as paltry.
And even though Overby warns you away from looking at the Clinton Foundationbecause its the sort of thing a Republican opposition research group would doyou dont need to go to a middleman; the Clinton Foundation lists its donors on its website. There you can learn that the Foundation has received at least $10 million from Saudi Arabia; at least $5 million from Kuwait, as well as from oil-refining billionaire Mohammed H. Al-Amoudi; at least $1 million from ExxonMobil, natural gas-producer Cheniere Energy, Qatar, Oman, United Arab Emirates, the Dubai Foundation, Friends of Saudi Arabia, etc.
emphasis mine
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)for her corporate overlords. 7 million a year comes with stipulations you know. She has lost her credibility, unfortunately.
Darb
(2,807 posts)How dare she.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)She should drop her career and head to a commune and grow peas and share them with her bunkmates who grow carrots.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)She's doing what she's paid to do, which is her right. Doesn't make her an honest journalist.
Darb
(2,807 posts)I think the theme is pretty clear here with most of the bernies. Grow peas or you are part of the problem.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)You know the saying. It is a very effective tactic, used by the teapeople all the time. Not sure why it is happening around the DU.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)But that doesn't stop Weaver from feeding Bernie that information or from Bernie spouting it all....and more importantly the low information and very many first time naive voter doesn't bother to look it up. They assume Bernie is honest, because it's what they hear from other Bernie Bros on line....no shred of evidence, just the repeated mantra.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)There goes her cred.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)That doesn't pass the smell test. It doesn't even pass the laugh test.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)What a laugh. You Hillary fanatics are so easy.
Anyway, Greenpeace made the charge. And TYT showed proved she is in the pocket of big oil. It's TRUE!
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)Colbert] was able to show America the loopholes (or loop-chasms as he called them) in the laws designed to regulate coordination between candidates and supposedly independent groups. By having his own Super PAC and 501(c)(4), Stephen could evolve right alongside the campaignsor often be a step ahead of them. His understanding of the possibilities inherent in the legal confusion was keen enough to discover and exploit absurd legalities before it became clear that actual candidates and political activists were doing the same thing.[23]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colbert_Super_PAC
delrem
(9,688 posts)This is via a loophole in the already incredible post citizens united law.
Brock on his part isn't prohibited from working with other superPACs, not directly connected, so long as he crosses all the t's and dots all the i's in distinguishing each from each. It's that kind of inter-connectivity that gives Brock a certain enhanced value.
I think Rachel Maddow should consider what Hillary Clinton has done for fracking.
But I don't expect much from Rachel anymore.
Quite frankly, she seems shallow.