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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:28 AM Apr 2016

With the email investigation not going away, Hillary is gambling with the fate of the nation.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/06/why-hillarys-email-issue-wont-go-away.html
"So now we know the Hillary Clinton camp's approach to the email scandal: Pretend to be transparent and then hope everyone forgets about it. It's a deeply cynical approach, and there is some reason to believe it won't work."

https://news.vice.com/article/state-department-review-of-hillary-clintons-emails-on-hold-while-fbi-investigates
"At the request of the FBI, the US State Department has suspended its plans for an internal review of whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton properly handled classified material when using her private email server. Clinton, the frontrunner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, has apologized for using a private email server for official business while in office from 2009 to 2013. While Clinton insists she did nothing wrong, the FBI is probing the arrangement."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-pappalardo/hillary-email-probe-could_b_9579826.html
"The Hillary Clinton email probe is getting very close to becoming another full-blown Clinton scandal. David Shuster of Al Jazeera reported on March 30th that the FBI is arranging interviews with former State Department aides Philippe Reines, Former Clinton Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills, and Clinton herself. Shuster also scooped that Justice Department prosecutors are joining the FBI team of investigators."

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Whether you personally (and probably with insufficient facts as a basis for making any determination on your own) think it is a "nothing" issue, the fact is that this email investigation is not going away soon and will almost certainly be on the table during the GE. The Clintons have seen scandals come and go, Whitewater, Monical Lewinsky, etc. Some of them have resulted in nothing and others have resulted in the first impeachment of a POTUS in our history. But all of them have shown the deep damage that can be caused by the extremity of hatred against them, fed in many cases by a sense that there is some sleazery hanging over them even from members of our own Democratic Party.

In my view, Hillary is the ONLY person that can stop the election of the most Progressive person ever to become POTUS, Bernie Sanders. It is also my view that Hillary, by not admitting that this scandal has great potential to lose the GE for us, wants the position so badly that she is willing to jeapordise the entire election, letting the presidency fall into the hands of the Republicans.

Hillary should do the right thing, if she actually is the Progressive she (sometimes) claims she is. She should bow out of the race and not be the first Democratic candidate targeted by an active FBI investigation while she simultaneously runs for the top position in the country. I can hardly believe that others do not see the sense in this. She is placing her ego before the good of the country and the people in it.
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With the email investigation not going away, Hillary is gambling with the fate of the nation. (Original Post) Bonobo Apr 2016 OP
I agree but being an avid Sanders supporter dana_b Apr 2016 #1
dana_b, that is exactly how I feel. absolutely. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #2
it seems to be a pretty common feeling dana_b Apr 2016 #5
I'm afraid even if she is not indicted, she can only be seen as either: Bonobo Apr 2016 #8
well, yes, that's true dana_b Apr 2016 #12
There's a simple solution to this Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #3
No. If she f's it up by being indicted or losing the GE because of this, it's on HER! highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #9
If she's so terrible....Bernie the savior should have no problem beating her. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #11
Totally not the point of the whole thread. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #13
The media blackout on Bernie and Clinton crimes does not help GQ voters. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #21
It's like the Clintons are running hard for the border, loot in hand. grasswire Apr 2016 #4
"resulted in the first impeachment of a POTUS in our history" Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #6
Oh yes, who could forget Andrew Johnson in 1867. I should have said modern history. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #7
No, not Jackson. Andrew Johnson unc70 Apr 2016 #14
Thanks for the correction. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #15
I completely agree. Irresponsible run-away hubris. nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2016 #10
Hubris... possibly. Yes. I don't think it is a desire for power exactly. Bonobo Apr 2016 #16
Hillary cares deeply about Hillary and won't do anything that would harm Hillary. Scuba Apr 2016 #17
KNR amborin Apr 2016 #18
K&R and more pinebox Apr 2016 #19
But she just told Chuck Todd that she released her emails because it was 'the right thing to do'.. Kentonio Apr 2016 #20
Did they not just find the 30 personal emails she erased? They are telling. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #22
30? I thought it was 30,000. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #23
Oohh, do you have a link please? Kentonio Apr 2016 #24

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
1. I agree but being an avid Sanders supporter
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:40 AM
Apr 2016

my opinion doesn't carry much weight. I mean that in all seriousness because I know how that would look to me if the roles were reversed.

I will say that if she wins the nomination and then is indicted, I will be livid with her for letting us lose our only chance at a real progressive President. I do agree that she will never give up though. She cares more about herself than what we need.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
5. it seems to be a pretty common feeling
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

with many of us Sanders' supporters.

I hope the Hillary people can understand that. I know they think that there is no way that she will be indicted and I actually agree with them. BUT, if for some reason she IS indicted, I hope that it's before the convention.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
8. I'm afraid even if she is not indicted, she can only be seen as either:
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:10 AM
Apr 2016

1) Foolishly incompetent with technology and unable to maintain security, and/or

2) So secretive and underhanded that she was willing to knowingly risk state secrets in order to be able to delete, without permission, any emails that might be embarrassing (by calling them 'personal' emails.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
12. well, yes, that's true
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:10 AM
Apr 2016

however people who actually even know or care about all of this either 1) already feel that she's secretive and underhanded and don't want her as President or 2) like her anyway and won't care about this.
I'm saying that if she's not indicted, I don't think that it will change most people's opinions on her.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
3. There's a simple solution to this
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:47 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie needs to get more people to vote for him in the primaries.

Simple.

Easy peasy.

Bernie can't get more people to support him than support Hillary? Then that's on him.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. It's like the Clintons are running hard for the border, loot in hand.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

They are risking the election, yes. Why? Aside from ego, we must consider that the largesse to be gained should she win the WH is worth their risk, to them. Riches untold. Power to shape the world at will, using the world's most powerful military.

It's almost Shakespearean. I fear it will end in tragedy, for we the people, if her candidacy continues.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
7. Oh yes, who could forget Andrew Johnson in 1867. I should have said modern history. nt
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:01 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:47 AM - Edit history (1)

Note: Edited to fix my error. I had stupidly said Stonewall Jackson.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
16. Hubris... possibly. Yes. I don't think it is a desire for power exactly.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

Hubris sounds about right.

Or maybe a really deep desire to prove her worth or something.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
19. K&R and more
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

That is a pretty powerful article.
I wish that Hillary supporters would wake up and see how damaged their candidate truly is. No amount of crazy glue will fix Hillary.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
20. But she just told Chuck Todd that she released her emails because it was 'the right thing to do'..
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016
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