2016 Postmortem

Bonobo

(29,257 posts) Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:07 AM Apr 2016

Hillary's political theater?: Good for a laugh, have a look.

Last edited Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:48 AM - Edit history (1)

In this video, Hillary is supposedly interrupted by "Bernie People" and she triumphantly (and supposedly off the cuff spontaneously 'strikes back'). But is that what really happened?

Start watching around 11:30. I have watched several times and then are a couple of tells for me. Now, of course some people will shout "conspiracy theory!" Maybe they are right, but I think they are probably wrong. Anyway, watch for yourself and pay attention to 3 things.

1. Timing: The protesters decide to shout "She wins, we lose" after the most (and perhaps only) uplifting and hopeful point in her whole speech. Such an interruption makes the interrupters looks mean and bad because, after all, they are protesting a nice, hopeful statement. Right? Right?

2. The "chant": These "Bernie People" chant "She wins, we lose" just ONCE. That's it. Have you ever seen that kind of a protest? Why didn't they chant it at least a few times. It was exactly like you might expect them to act if they were waiting for Hillary to come back at them with a barbed and practiced spontaneous reply (TM).

3. The eyes: Watch Hillary's eyes carefully. They do not change at all from the moment there is a chant to the moment she reacts. She is not surprised by the chant because she was waiting for it like a cue. I'm totally serious. In fact, when the chant starts, she actually turns her attention to it with a slight nod and a smile like a person waiting for something she knew was coming. Then she, on tempo, delivers the "spontaneous reply" (TM).

This, folks, was theater, and poorly delivered theater in my opinion.

No, you don't have to agree. This is, after all, just my personal opinion. I am quite sure the Hillary supporters will say I am crazy and spend their time thinking of a personal attack on me. Go right ahead, it makes no difference to me and will only confirm what I anticipate.

Those who watch with the 3 points, mentioned above, in mind will -I think- see exactly what I saw. Anyway, it is interesting and I am looking forward to replies both positive and negative.

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Hillary's political theater?: Good for a laugh, have a look. (Original Post) Bonobo Apr 2016 OP

I saw what you saw. That looked faked to me too. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #1

I dunno.... Callmecrazy Apr 2016 #2

I watched it twice and it was her reaction (or lack of one) that convinced me tularetom Apr 2016 #3

Yup, that was the "tell" for me. Inappropriate reaction. Bonobo Apr 2016 #4

I notice her looking down before she said wait a minute can I just say... If it was off the cuff, Skwmom Apr 2016 #15

I, I, I, ME, I, ME, ME, I, MY, I, MY, ME FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #5

Remember, Hillary always has one specific card in every hand she is dealt FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #6

That's true, but it is her deceitfulness here that is more telling to me. Bonobo Apr 2016 #7

Plus she needs to look tough like the idiot Trump (and how he handles his protesters). Skwmom Apr 2016 #16

Three points to make... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #8

Can you post the link? Bonobo Apr 2016 #9

Here you go. CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #10

Thanks, I will look! nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #11

Is that from the same rally? FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #18

In all honesty.... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #19

Understood, Sarge! / FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #22

Edit of the above... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #20

Right. Bernie doesn't do political theater. baldguy Apr 2016 #12

Woof woof. nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #13

Unfortunately for Bernie... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #14

Damn you found me out. I am the bird. Autumn Apr 2016 #17

Looked fake to me too. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #21

"I, I, I.... Me, Me, Me..." MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #23

PufPuf23

(8,806 posts)

1. I saw what you saw. That looked faked to me too. eom

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:14 AM

Apr 2016

Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)

2. I dunno....

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:42 AM

Apr 2016

I think it could go either way. I'm no fan of HRC but I think it was a rehearsed line not a planned interruption.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)

3. I watched it twice and it was her reaction (or lack of one) that convinced me

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:35 AM

Apr 2016

Usually she gets all bristly and defensive if she is challenged by one of the peasants but not this time. Instead it was a smooth segue into her clever comeback.

She'd make a crappy poker player, she can't hide her emotions, and this time she didn't display any. It had to be a setup.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

4. Yup, that was the "tell" for me. Inappropriate reaction.

Reply to tularetom (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:58 AM

Apr 2016

As lousy a poker player as she is, I don't want her facing down Putin or other world leaders. She's as transparent as a jellyfish under high-powered fluorescent lights.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

15. I notice her looking down before she said wait a minute can I just say... If it was off the cuff,

Reply to tularetom (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:54 AM

Apr 2016

why the need to look down?

I think it was made as a hit against Bernie and to play the victim, while trying to look tough like Trump.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)

5. I, I, I, ME, I, ME, ME, I, MY, I, MY, ME

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:04 AM

Apr 2016

Her makes me sick

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)

6. Remember, Hillary always has one specific card in every hand she is dealt

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:09 AM

Apr 2016

and that is the victim card. This was a poorly planned victimization of Hillary by Camp Weathervane

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

7. That's true, but it is her deceitfulness here that is more telling to me.

Reply to FlatBaroque (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:48 AM

Apr 2016

Fake as a 3 dollar bill.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

16. Plus she needs to look tough like the idiot Trump (and how he handles his protesters).

Reply to FlatBaroque (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:55 AM

Apr 2016

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)

8. Three points to make...

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:58 AM

Apr 2016

1. The video posted earlier in another post - the crowd prepping for a HRC rally - which was probably filmed on the down-low - showed the rehearsal of a chant.

2. The people in that video - who were prepping to be the 'supporters' - looked like they were at work - getting ready to begin a shift of menial work - not at a passionate rally.

3. There were Bernie T-shirts in the crowd.

Taken together, they fit perfectly.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

9. Can you post the link?

Reply to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:01 AM

Apr 2016

And do you mean to say that the Bernie shirts in the crowd were already there early during the "prep phase"?

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)

10. Here you go.

Reply to Bonobo (Reply #9)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:43 AM

Apr 2016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280164349

I just re-watched it and I do hear the cheerleader chanting 'she....' something. So that's not the prep to heckle Bernie.

The Bernie shirts are at the very end just before the video cuts out, look for a T-shirt worn under a blue men's button front shirt and the guy standing next to him.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

11. Thanks, I will look! nt

Reply to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:46 AM

Apr 2016

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)

18. Is that from the same rally?

Reply to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:59 AM

Apr 2016

If so, that is really funny. WHEN I SAY HILLARY YOU SAY FIRE! LOLLL

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)

19. In all honesty....

Reply to FlatBaroque (Reply #18)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:05 AM

Apr 2016

...I don't think the two videos are back to back in real time.

The 'prep' video was filmed at a WARDEN ARENA which seems to be in Florida.

So no real smoking gun here, but hey, it's Sunday morning and my investigative journalism skills (If I have any) are off today.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)

22. Understood, Sarge! /

Reply to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:21 AM

Apr 2016

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)

20. Edit of the above...

Reply to CompanyFirstSergeant (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:08 AM

Apr 2016

The two videos are probably not back-to-back events because the 'prep' sequence does not seem to be filmed in New York.

Cannot find a WARDEN ARENA (the sign on the wall in the gym) anywhere but in Florida.

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

12. Right. Bernie doesn't do political theater.

Reply to Bonobo (Original post)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:48 AM

Apr 2016

And Bernie fans don't fall for it.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)

13. Woof woof. nt

Reply to baldguy (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:50 AM

Apr 2016

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)

14. Unfortunately for Bernie...

Reply to baldguy (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:53 AM

Apr 2016

...he never landed under sniper fire.

Or cast votes at Walmart supporting unions.

Or secured classified emails so they could not be hacked by the Russians.

Oh, wait...

Neither did Hillary.

Never mind