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Best Commentary About the Susan Sarandon controversy (Original Post) GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 OP
Chris Hayes needs to take journalism courses. He could not possibly shill more. merrily Apr 2016 #1
Good points! TY for sharing. Jackilope Apr 2016 #2
I watched that interview Faux pas Apr 2016 #3
She's a privileged whiner who thinks it would be fun to watch Trump make "things explode". DanTex Apr 2016 #4
^^this rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #5
When you vote corporatist, you get Supreme Court nominees like Merrick Garland. JRLeft Apr 2016 #33
K&R! nt riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #6
That was great BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #7
Re: ... exactly why I will be very unlikely to support Clinton if she is the nominee SFnomad Apr 2016 #8
HRC is a weak candidate and a Corporatist. She (and the 1%) appreciate your support. Jackilope Apr 2016 #10
Sanders is a weaker candidate by 2+ million votes and 200+ delegates n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #11
The Democratic Party in several states purposefully chose the caucuses instead of liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #13
There is always an excuse ... most of the caucus states were smaller. SFnomad Apr 2016 #15
There is always an excuse for you Hillary supporters as well isn't there? liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #16
Where did I say that if a state was smaller it didn't matter? SFnomad Apr 2016 #17
Ah, resorting to insults I see. Nice tactic. I'm sure that will win Hillary lots of support and liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #18
The old, I can't refute your facts, so I'm just going to ignore you. SFnomad Apr 2016 #19
Actually no that does not matter nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #34
When it comes to winning the primary (or the general), it is true that popular vote doesn't matter SFnomad Apr 2016 #35
She is a weak candidate nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #36
I see you can't answer my question ... let me help you SFnomad Apr 2016 #37
If you are coming from belief and not fact nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #38
I see you saying that "media" and "people" have pointed to Secretary Clinton's weaknesses ... SFnomad Apr 2016 #39
Der Spiegel nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #40
Well, he catches up when it's the turn of the caucus states to select delegates. Arneoker Apr 2016 #41
Think bigger. Think the General. Jackilope Apr 2016 #20
Sanders won't poll better once the Right Wing Echo Chamber would be through with him SFnomad Apr 2016 #21
Perhaps, but I don't foresee her winning if nominee. Jackilope Apr 2016 #22
Re: Lack of enthusiasm? SFnomad Apr 2016 #24
A picture of enthusiasm Jackilope Apr 2016 #27
If Sanders has so much enthusiasm, why doesn't he lead in the vote or delegate count? n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #31
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You are right. Lesser of it, because she is a Democrat. Right? Jackilope Apr 2016 #26
Excellent! PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #9
K & R LWolf Apr 2016 #12
Is that what they're saying at the pub? zappaman Apr 2016 #14
... Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #32
Question about Jimmy Dore - jillan Apr 2016 #25
That was very good. Thank you for sharing. Luminous Animal Apr 2016 #28
Is the Pub closed on Sunday? rbrnmw Apr 2016 #29
A vote for Sanders keeps Trump out of the White House. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #30

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. Chris Hayes needs to take journalism courses. He could not possibly shill more.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:26 PM
Apr 2016

I realize the difference between "journalist' and "commentator," but, Jaysus, there has to be some line between "commentator" and "campaign shill."

Jackilope

(819 posts)
2. Good points! TY for sharing.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

Hasn't viewed the video before now. All great points. Hits home state of our media and journalism as well.

Faux pas

(14,686 posts)
3. I watched that interview
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

at the time. I used to like chris until his media bias was blaring in my face. Disgusting!

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
33. When you vote corporatist, you get Supreme Court nominees like Merrick Garland.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:19 PM
Apr 2016

A staunch corporate shill.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
7. That was great
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:02 PM
Apr 2016

I watched the interview live and agreed with every word Susan Sarandon said. There were even some Bernie supporters on DU saying well maybe she misspoke a bit. I don't think they saw the interview.

As offensive as the questions of Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow often are, their body language is as bad or worse. The incredulous looks, the head cocks, the big stupid grins, all designed to communicate "Are you insane? Do you hear what you are saying? Don't you want to take that back?"

When it comes to punchable faces, Chris Hayes ranks right behind Ted Cruz for me.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
8. Re: ... exactly why I will be very unlikely to support Clinton if she is the nominee
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:05 PM
Apr 2016

And tRump will thank you for your support.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
10. HRC is a weak candidate and a Corporatist. She (and the 1%) appreciate your support.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

Vomit sandwich or excrement sandwich aren't much for choices.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
13. The Democratic Party in several states purposefully chose the caucuses instead of
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

primaries because they knew it would depress turn out, so those votes numbers don't mean much. And he is catching up in delegates quickly.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
15. There is always an excuse ... most of the caucus states were smaller.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

Even if the caucus states had been voting states ... Sanders would still be close to 2 million votes behind. And if the caucus states had been voting states, Secretary Clinton probably would have been in a closer race in many of the states.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
16. There is always an excuse for you Hillary supporters as well isn't there?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

So if a state is smaller, then it doesn't matter huh? Does that mean we should just give up our right to vote all together then? My vote in WA helped get Bernie 74 delegates. I wouldn't call that small.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
17. Where did I say that if a state was smaller it didn't matter?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016

You stated that Secretary Clinton being 2+ million votes ahead didn't matter because of caucus states. It's just math that those smaller states, no matter how much more Sanders won them by, would NEVER make up that difference, by the FACT that they are smaller states. I believe Washington state is the ONLY exception to my generalization. And that one would not even close to make up the difference.

Math and facts are hard for Sanders supporters, aren't they?

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
18. Ah, resorting to insults I see. Nice tactic. I'm sure that will win Hillary lots of support and
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

votes. I have better things to do than waste my time on you. You are going on my ignore list. Good bye.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
19. The old, I can't refute your facts, so I'm just going to ignore you.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

You Sanders supporters are so childish and predictable.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. Actually no that does not matter
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

The only thing that matters is delegate counts. She could be ahead by 300 million votes. If he has more delegates...delegates are the coin of the realm

Just like in the GE the popular votes means nothing. The candidate with 273 or more electors wins

That this basic material is not understood is distressing. And yes,HRC should (likely does) know better when she makes that wrongheaded claim on the stump.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
35. When it comes to winning the primary (or the general), it is true that popular vote doesn't matter
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:25 PM
Apr 2016

but, what elicited that response was that poster's statement that Secretary Clinton was a "weak" candidate. And by that metric, popular vote matters significantly. If Secretary Clinton is a "weak" candidate, what is Sanders with his 2+ million fewer votes?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
36. She is a weak candidate
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:29 PM
Apr 2016

And I am far from the only one on record on that.

But when you make an argument from popular votes prepare to be called on it. The fact that she is making that argument, which is fallacious in US politics, is evidence to her weakness the media not calling her on it is part of the problem

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
37. I see you can't answer my question ... let me help you
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:34 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders is a weaker candidate than Secretary Clinton. No matter how much you continue to spew right wing talking points ... it won't change that fact.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
38. If you are coming from belief and not fact
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

She is considered weak in elite US media. She is also considered weak in foreign press where there is quite a bit of disquiet about her foreign press are also raising other issues that CNN (for the record CNN-I is going there) is not raising.

Americans are taking this mostly as a miss universe kind of a show. Abroad people have pointed her weaknesses. Of course Trump is part of a global trend, but that is another conversation.

For the record, since I deal with facts, not partisanship, I consider Sanders just slightly less weak. And I mean the slightly part. You suppose you are going to attack me for being in the tank for Sanders or something for considering him just slightly better. And it has all to do with the current dynamics. Which I suspect you have no understanding to be honest. Partisans rarely do.

The only saving grace is that the strong man backed down this week that will cost him, greatly. His fans are not quite impressed by the strongman starting to act as one more politician. And I should add, I was brutally honest surprised.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
39. I see you saying that "media" and "people" have pointed to Secretary Clinton's weaknesses ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

but you haven't given any examples of who and why they're calling Secretary Clinton that ... typical. It's reminiscent of Faux "News" and "some people are saying" ....

And I see you have to try and dismiss me as "partisan" without any facts to back that up. The only partisan that I am is that I will vote for the Democrat that gets nominated, either one. That's a lot better than many of the Sanders cheerleaders around here, the Bernie or Bust crowd ... I have no respect for them at all.

For someone that claims to have facts on their side, your post is incredibly fact free.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
40. Der Spiegel
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:36 PM
Apr 2016

CNN-I, excelsior Mexico, El universal, Mexico, the U.K. Independent, Milenio TV, Foreign Affairs, the Economist. The list is actually quite long. Most is not national, though add Foreign Policy to the list.

I suppose since US elections affect others in very definite ways US elections are not a fucking game. Then you have the UN special envoy calling her on her inaccurate Syria statements. That is indirectly calling her well weak.

Of course Trump is now a matter of concern to the Office of the Presidency in Mexico, again, that is another whole conversation.

And it would behoove you to understand why she is weak this election. CNN-I went extensively into it. Something about being the ultimate insider in a change election. Why the fucking hell is CNN not interviewing Analystst that explain this to domestic audiences? (Rethotical before you go there )

Add to your list Aristegui in Mexico talking on CNN Mexico air with both a republican and Democratic Party strategists. Again an interview that will never be played on domestic tv.

Since I do not take this as a beauty show, I tend to agree. An establishment insider is a weak candidate in a change election.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
20. Think bigger. Think the General.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/271505-why-sanders-outperforms-clinton-against-republicans

Sanders polls better against all the GOP than Clinton. Factor in bringing in the youth and the Independents AND the sane GOP voters. HRC is polarizing enough to bring out those that really do not like her out to vote against her.

States that she did win on the primary -- are they really going to win Democratically?

Your concern over those who don't vote for HRC as a vote for tRump says plenty. It is easier to place blame on the voters than that the DNC is corporately sold out and pushing a sold out Third Way and weak candidate. No matter how hard you polish it, a Turd Way is still a Turd.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
21. Sanders won't poll better once the Right Wing Echo Chamber would be through with him
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

Secretary Clinton has dealt with them for 20+ years ... she is by far the better candidate to deal with their slime.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
22. Perhaps, but I don't foresee her winning if nominee.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:56 PM
Apr 2016

Either GOP or HRC is 1% and corporatist win no matter what.

Which brings us back to the lack of enthusiasm and reasoning why people don't feel urgency or loyalty to back HRC. She is part of the problem with our corrupt government.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
24. Re: Lack of enthusiasm?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

Secretary Clinton is up by 2+ million voters and 200+ delegates.

I'll take that "lack of enthusiasm" any day of the week.

Response to Jackilope (Reply #10)

jillan

(39,451 posts)
25. Question about Jimmy Dore -
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

He's on the TYTnetwork, right?
What time is he on?

I want to start watching him more often. Tia!

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