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Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:02 PM Apr 2016

Clintonians are in disarray

and are all of sudden confused by Sander's sudden momentum.

Sanders is riding a wave arguing that we can and should do more for college students, elderly, sick, poor, etc. We can do better.

"We can't" or "stay the course" is in a way saying put up the white flag to the American people. We refuse to go silently into the night knowing that global warming has started to swallow up Miami and many coastal cities. If I was a New Yorker right now I would be seriously reconsidering support Hillary.

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Clintonians are in disarray (Original Post) Harmony Blue Apr 2016 OP
After he wins Wisconsin in a landslide more people will wake up yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #1
What percent, for you, in WI denotes a 'landslide'? HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #13
I am hoping for a wider margin yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #17
60-40 would be a vanquishing built on a 10% swing HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #18
Seventy volunteers showed up yesterday to canvas door to door yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #21
I haven't seen any canvassers in or near my neighborhood. HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #22
Hillary's people are going to go crazy, look how they treated Bernie supporters ViseGrip Apr 2016 #2
in some way this is 2008 all over again GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #3
Clinton's approach is pragmatic and logical Harmony Blue Apr 2016 #5
She's speaking from a zone of comfort Hydra Apr 2016 #6
This "pragmatic approach: Has turned the middle east into a CentralMass Apr 2016 #10
People don't trust Hillary and it's becoming a driving force pinebox Apr 2016 #4
Hillary will cakewalk into the nomination. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #7
"I know you are, but what am I?" mac56 Apr 2016 #8
Im not the one projecting though. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #9
Hmm mac56 Apr 2016 #24
Bernie campaign is only in it for the money reddread Apr 2016 #12
cakewalk Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #15
I believe they call this sort of delusion "projection" Tarc Apr 2016 #11
we should apologize timmymoff Apr 2016 #14
She's driving alright. 99Forever Apr 2016 #19
Pretty hard too when the Clark County officials that were also Sanders supporters Tarc Apr 2016 #23
I missed the part where Bernie is winning firebrand80 Apr 2016 #16
He won the last six of seven states, outperforming beyond all expectations, on a roll. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #20

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. What percent, for you, in WI denotes a 'landslide'?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

In a two-way race, a 5 point swing in preference would result in a 55-45 victory I don't think 5 points makes a landslide, although the ten point difference that generates would be seen as a very solid win.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
17. I am hoping for a wider margin
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

I run into Bernie people everywhere.
I have yet to discover a single Hill supporter.
I think 60-40 would be a land slide.
I saw two full-size Bernie cardboard cut outs in downtown windows today...
and plenty of Bernie signs. Nothing
for Hillary. He continues to draw huge
crowds wherever he speaks.
The people are waking up... let us hope we are in time.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
18. 60-40 would be a vanquishing built on a 10% swing
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

I think that certainly would look like the earth moved.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
22. I haven't seen any canvassers in or near my neighborhood.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

I don't read anything into that, other than in 2014 there was a huge push to get out dems against Walker and now there is nothing.

Apparently neither dem campaign desired to work this mostly red area.



 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
2. Hillary's people are going to go crazy, look how they treated Bernie supporters
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apr 2016

while he was winning! It doesn't matter they say. Well, now it does.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
3. in some way this is 2008 all over again
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

I disagree that it is all of a sudden. Iowa was the first big wake up call and they have been on defense ever since.

Clinton's negative campaigning and friendly-fire in 2008 finished her off. She is attacking Sanders much the same way and it is a mistake, again. She comes off a little paranoid in the Greenpeace clip. Nevada and Wisconsin are a signs that things are slipping away from her.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
5. Clinton's approach is pragmatic and logical
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:17 PM
Apr 2016

the problem is we as human beings are not 100% machines. We like ideas, we have emotions, fears, joys and euphoric triumphs.

Trump is running on appealing to the emotions of Americans that see the glass is half full (eg Make America great again).

Sanders is running on appealing to the emotions of Americans that see the glass is already half full (Obama has given us a solid foundation but now is the time to do more).

Clinton is saying stay the course as the glass is already full and we do not need to do anymore to "improve".

Clinton is looking at things pragmatically as we can't replace the coal industry over night which is logically true. But her pragmatic approach is based on short term tunnel vision thinking. What are the long term ramifications of coal? As solar technology has shown it can and will replace most of the fossil fuel industry at this rate of innovation.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
6. She's speaking from a zone of comfort
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

She and Bill have done phenomenally well translating their political weight into financial and social gain. Many of her surrogates in social media are likewise doing very well, and would like to continue to do so.

That would be fine with me, as they could be doing just as well and fix the rest of the problems we have...but they are convinced the reason they are doing well is BECAUSE things are currently the way they are, and to change that would likely take that away from them.

Lacking the courage to try to improve things is pretty much the sum up of #nowecant...and that's not going to work.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
10. This "pragmatic approach: Has turned the middle east into a
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

destabilized heavily armed powder keg. We have an economy that is creating unprecedented wealth for a select few while upwards of 47 million Americans live in poverty. Our national debt is over 104% of our GDP.
Grover Norquist's "Starve The Beast" was taken to its end game these last 8 years There is a looming budget crisis looming with Social Security in the next decade and it is clear that the Democratic party is going to do nothing to reverse the fiscal policies that brought us this point.

The current economy and political status quo is not pragnatic. Fighting for more of the same is not acceptable.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
7. Hillary will cakewalk into the nomination.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie needs to win remaining states all by +15 just to tie. Then theres the superdels. Its actually camp Bernie in disarray.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
15. cakewalk
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

Are you sure that's the word you were looking for? Hillary didn't look like she was enjoying that cake on the teevee this morning

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
11. I believe they call this sort of delusion "projection"
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

There will be backlash against the attempted subversion of the Nevada voter's will, Sanders has no chance in NY and beyond.

Hillary is in the driver's seat here.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
14. we should apologize
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

for the fact Hillary doesn't inspire people enough to caucus? Thought she had that in the bag? the very same thing you guys were saying about Bernie supporters , " they don't vote" came back and bit you in the ass. And you whine? the only people who didn't do nothing was the people who didn't show up. This time that was Hillary delegates. But she inspires so many lol puh-leeze with poutrage.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. She's driving alright.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

Driving people away.

She can't even get her pledged delegates to show up to the caucus.

Hard to drive a campaign bus with the wheels coming off.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
23. Pretty hard too when the Clark County officials that were also Sanders supporters
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

let people know to show up on the wrong day.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
20. He won the last six of seven states, outperforming beyond all expectations, on a roll.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

Meanwhile, Hillary's blowing gaskets left and right.

Chewing out nice environmentalists even, sheesh, sad to see the meltdowns.

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