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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:04 PM Apr 2016

GOP Fodder: Clinton on defending the rapist of a 12-year old.

Clinton defending rapist of 12 year old.

In a sworn affidavit aiming to coerce a psychiatric evaluation of the sixth-grade victim, Clinton during the case nearly 40 years ago called into question the girl's emotional stability, arguing she had exhibited "a tendency to seek out older men and engage in... fantasizing." She added, citing a child psychology expert that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior."

But in the recording, Clinton indicated she believed her client was indeed guilty. Heard laughing, she said the polygraph test he managed to pass "forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs."

LAUGHING. Really?

Update: I don't understand how anyone could listen to that audio and not be bothered by it.

Please cut the crap about our judicial system. She holds herself out as a defender of children. Listen to the audio. That is someone who is a defender of children? I'm sure this will go over great in the GE. Most people would not write this off as it's just how the judicial system works.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-stands-by-her-defense-of-1975-rape-suspect/

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GOP Fodder: Clinton on defending the rapist of a 12-year old. (Original Post) Skwmom Apr 2016 OP
That's Definitely GOP noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #1
so you go ahead and post this GOP smear. Not surprised. riversedge Apr 2016 #2
Is the claim in the OP false? ZombieHorde Apr 2016 #3
when the victim came forward years ago reddread Apr 2016 #4
Everybody deserves a lawyer creeksneakers2 Apr 2016 #18
preferably one with experience, right? reddread Apr 2016 #23
Not false, but constitutional. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #38
CBS News. Skwmom Apr 2016 #7
Yes, GOP talking points is the topic here Lordquinton Apr 2016 #27
Her record is a GOP smear Politicalboi Apr 2016 #49
Y'all are posting TM99 Apr 2016 #63
The inconvienent truth SFnomad Apr 2016 #5
was laughing about it one of the requirements? virtualobserver Apr 2016 #6
It was also the cavalier attitude when bringing up the case. It was bizarre. Skwmom Apr 2016 #8
Eh ....those of us who actually defend people accused of crimes often wryly laugh, shrug, and msanthrope Apr 2016 #10
That seems like a good point to consider. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2016 #13
Funny, you seem to forget all that when smearing people like Greenwald whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #14
Mr. Greenwald committed ethical violations while protecting the property interests of Neo-Nazis. msanthrope Apr 2016 #25
It's a violation of the Code of Professional Responsibility Divernan Apr 2016 #22
We should get Judicial Watch right on that. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #36
oh, please...Don't be condescending.......I've heard the interview. You can't spin this. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #34
Spin it? I think what she did was great. She zealously advocated for a distatsteful msanthrope Apr 2016 #40
Did the victim thank Hillary after she awakened from the 5 day coma from the assault? virtualobserver Apr 2016 #44
You kinda just proved HRC was correct in her zealous advocacy.....a 5 day coma msanthrope Apr 2016 #48
you should include that in a "tips for rapists" pamphlet. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #55
It's called the 5th and 6th amendments. They apply, even to people you don't like. nt5 msanthrope Apr 2016 #58
the right to casually laugh about how guilty your client was....1st amendment covers that.... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #62
Do you ever laugh at a funeral? SFnomad Apr 2016 #20
she laughed in an interview.....about how she lost faith in polygraphs... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #39
Yes, laughing about losing faith in polygraphs ... SFnomad Apr 2016 #43
So we're to take her word that Politicalboi Apr 2016 #53
Sanders supporters and right wing lunatics sound more alike all the time n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #61
This is an early ugly indicator: HRC will do ANYTHING to win! Divernan Apr 2016 #9
She did what she was supposed to .do....zealously advocate. msanthrope Apr 2016 #16
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #19
How often do you wipe with the Constitution? SFnomad Apr 2016 #24
Lies as a defense are not part of the Constitution. Divernan Apr 2016 #30
I need to take a shower after I read your posts. SFnomad Apr 2016 #45
Alleged pedophile. Never lost a minute's sleep defending my client's 4th amendment rights to msanthrope Apr 2016 #32
on whose behalf? reddread Apr 2016 #21
Her 1st court case - she'd just been licensed. Divernan Apr 2016 #26
Speaks directly to that thing known by some idealists as.... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #41
I wonder what her next court case will be? reddread Apr 2016 #65
Absolutely disgusting. nt. polly7 Apr 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #11
The GOP and Bernie fans are becoming difficult to tell apart. DanTex Apr 2016 #12
Really? Lordquinton Apr 2016 #28
Why bother with this asshat Politicalboi Apr 2016 #59
I just shared a link Lordquinton Apr 2016 #66
As an attorney friend once explained, even if you feel your client is guilty, you owe him/her Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #15
Camp Sanctimonious using a rightwing smear against Clinton? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #17
CBS News is a "Right Wing Smear" FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #31
Nothing to worry about...I'm sure that sniper fire, defending rapist of 12 yr old victim..... virtualobserver Apr 2016 #47
Another example of "Hillary - I'll say any thing to win" FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #29
Bernie bros plumbing the depths of wingnut tabloid smears ... salinsky Apr 2016 #35
I agree DesertRat Apr 2016 #42
YOU DO NOT... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #37
Yeah....no. You always confront the witness and their reliability. To fail to do so would be msanthrope Apr 2016 #46
Where I am from... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #52
Since she never crossed the girl, your concerns seem to be unfounded. msanthrope Apr 2016 #57
Really horrible GOP fodder KingFlorez Apr 2016 #50
The way you put the headline treestar Apr 2016 #51
Have you ever... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #54
She could have resigned if she didn't want to defend the rapist. She didn't. When I CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #56
Judge appointed her. You don't resign that. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #60
Did the judge force her to laugh about it? CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #64
Laugh about the inaccuracy of polygraphs? I'd have laughed, too. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #67
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
4. when the victim came forward years ago
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

that was probably a GOP smear.
what she did at the time and who she did it for
and what it meant for underage girls in that state?
sickening.
shattering her faith in lie detectors forever.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
38. Not false, but constitutional.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

Everyone is allowed access to attorney. Are Repubs really going to hit her on constitutionality?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
27. Yes, GOP talking points is the topic here
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

The fact that something Clinton did in her early career can be used against her in the present is the subject at hand, now what do you have to say about it?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
49. Her record is a GOP smear
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

You guys want it both ways. If her record is good, show it to the world, but when it's bad, it's a right wing smear. I guess you don't think other Dem's might be interested in learning more about Hillary.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
63. Y'all are posting
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

bullshit about Sander's 'rape fantasy' essay as GOP fodder.

Why should this be any different.

It is just called vetting, right?

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
5. The inconvienent truth
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton stated:

"When I was a 27-year-old attorney doing legal aid work at the [University of Arkansas] where I taught in Fayetteville, Arkansas, I was appointed by the local judge to represent a criminal defendant accused of rape," she said when broached with the topic in an interview with British online network Mumsnet. "I asked to be relieved of that responsibility, but I was not. And I had a professional duty to represent my client to the best of my ability, which I did."


She did her job, as distasteful as it was. To do otherwise, would risk malpractice and disbarment.

More GOP like talking points from the Sanders folks.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
10. Eh ....those of us who actually defend people accused of crimes often wryly laugh, shrug, and
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

otherwise use coping mechanisms. Get back to me when you defense someone's constitutional rights, and have a better way of dealing with it.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
25. Mr. Greenwald committed ethical violations while protecting the property interests of Neo-Nazis.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

I've always asked mr. Greenwald supporters what specific constitutional Liberty of mr. Hale he was protecting and I've never gotten an answer.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
22. It's a violation of the Code of Professional Responsibility
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

to put unsubstantiated lies into an affidavit, as Hillary did about the 12 year old victim.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
40. Spin it? I think what she did was great. She zealously advocated for a distatsteful
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016

client in a conservative state. That take crap loads more courage then simply allowing the da to walk all over you just because you have an awful client.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
44. Did the victim thank Hillary after she awakened from the 5 day coma from the assault?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

Probably not right away.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
48. You kinda just proved HRC was correct in her zealous advocacy.....a 5 day coma
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

in a witness should prompt serious questions about memory and reliability.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
20. Do you ever laugh at a funeral?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

Have you ever been in a situation that is so tragic and sad, that if you didn't find some way to laugh, you would cry?

Sometimes laughing is a sign of irony ... not a sign of humor.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
39. she laughed in an interview.....about how she lost faith in polygraphs...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

she was laughing about how guilty he was.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
43. Yes, laughing about losing faith in polygraphs ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

Polygraphs are supposed to determine the truth ... and they don't. That's IRONY.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
53. So we're to take her word that
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

She asked to be relieved from the case.

You might believe her, but I certainly don't. Just doing her job.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
9. This is an early ugly indicator: HRC will do ANYTHING to win!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

This "affidavit" contained not one fucking scintilla of evidence or proof - HRC made it all up - of course she knew the right psychological phrases to use, from her much vaunted work with Marion Wright Edelman. I have researched this whole sordid incident. The man's co-rapist pled guilty; Hillary got this scumbag off on a lesser charge for time served.

When the Free Beacon published tapes in which Hillary Clinton laughed cheerfully about a case in which she got a child rapist off, ordinary people had a glimpse into the twisted mind of a woman who keeps claiming to be a role model for young girls.

Hillary's tactics including accusing a 12-year-old girl who had been savagely beaten and raped, in fine legal language, of being a mentally ill slut. The tapes were shocking even for her supporters. They revealed a complete lack of empathy and Hillary's willingness to do absolutely anything to win.

Now Josh Rogin of the Daily Beast has talked to the woman who was raped, once by her attackers, and again by Hillary Clinton's twisted manipulation of the legal system on behalf of her attacker.

In her interview with The Daily Beast, she recounted the details of her attack in 1975 at age 12 and the consequences it had for both her childhood and adult life. A virgin before the assault, she spent five days afterwards in a coma, months recovering from the beating that accompanied the rape, and over 10 years in therapy. The doctors told her she would probably never be able to have children.

Now 52, she has never married or had children.


“I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing,” Clinton, then named Hillary D. Rodham, wrote in the affidavit.
Clinton also wrote that a child psychologist told her that children in early adolescence “tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences,” especially when they come from “disorganized families, such as the complainant.”

Is being beaten into a coma Hillary Clinton's idea of a romanticized sexual experience?

The victim vigorously denied Clinton’s accusations and said there has never been any explanation of what Clinton was referring to in that affidavit. She claims she never accused anyone of attacking her before her rape. “I’ve never said that about anyone. I don’t know why she said that. I have never made false allegations. I know she was lying,” she said. “I definitely didn’t see older men. I don’t know why Hillary put that in there."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-tapes/
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/hillary-clinton-dogged-by-1975-rape-case/
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
16. She did what she was supposed to .do....zealously advocate.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

Hell I defended an alleged pedophile that walked. .... his co-defendant pled. Was I supposed to advocate prisons for my client because of what his co-defendant got?

Response to msanthrope (Reply #16)

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
24. How often do you wipe with the Constitution?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

Constitutional rights are not just for the innocent ... but for the guilty as well.

And if you want to take away Constitutional rights from the guilty, how long until they'll be taking them away from the innocent?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
30. Lies as a defense are not part of the Constitution.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

Before HRC found out that a piece of evidence had been lost, she filed an unfounded affidavit smearing the child's reputation.

Her defense was blame the victim.

She'd never have been able to back that up in court, but got lucky when the prosecution lost the piece of the child's underpants which had already tested positive for HRC's scumbag client's DNA.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
45. I need to take a shower after I read your posts.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

The Constitution is for everyone ... not just people you deem it should be for.

If the state cannot prove your guilt, beyond a shadow of a doubt, you should be set free.

It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer - William Blackstone

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
32. Alleged pedophile. Never lost a minute's sleep defending my client's 4th amendment rights to
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

be secure in his papers and possessions. The police and the da screwed that up.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
21. on whose behalf?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

how many cases like this was she asked to defend as "a favor"?
how many criminal cases did she work on?
thanks in advance.

Response to Skwmom (Original post)

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
59. Why bother with this asshat
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:06 PM
Apr 2016

I was going to myself. He's delusional. He supports the biggest liar in political history.

Arkansas Granny

(31,523 posts)
15. As an attorney friend once explained, even if you feel your client is guilty, you owe him/her
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

the best defense you can muster. They deserve to be represented in court and that is your job.

As far as the laughter, she was laughing about lie detector results, not the charges or the 12 year old girl.

If you don't like Hillary, that's your business and you are free to vote your conscinece, but could we stop using rw tactics and smears against Democratic candidates?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. Camp Sanctimonious using a rightwing smear against Clinton?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:24 PM
Apr 2016

Must be a day of the week that ends with a "y."

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
47. Nothing to worry about...I'm sure that sniper fire, defending rapist of 12 yr old victim.....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

won't be used by Trump in the GE.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
35. Bernie bros plumbing the depths of wingnut tabloid smears ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

... this is becoming all to commonplace.

The mods need to start cleaning this place up.

Shameful.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
37. YOU DO NOT...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

...'zealously advocate' by turning the tables on a 12 year old victim.

You go after evidence, police procedure, inconsistencies in testimony.

Or better yet, what I have seen mostly done...

You plea bargain and take what you can for the scumbag.

Disgusting story.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
46. Yeah....no. You always confront the witness and their reliability. To fail to do so would be
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

malpractice.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
52. Where I am from...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

...the testimony of an underage victim is subject to radically different courtroom procedure than if the witness was an adult.

This includes a closed court, use of closed-circuit cameras for the jury, and hyper-vigilant monitoring by the judge.

To just 'pull out the stops' on a 12 year old speaks directly to her character.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
57. Since she never crossed the girl, your concerns seem to be unfounded.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

An affidavit isn't pulling out all the stops, fyi.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
50. Really horrible GOP fodder
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016
A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees. A woman tied up. A woman abused.

A woman enjoys intercourse with her man—as she fantasizes about being raped by 3 men simultaneously.

Have you ever looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like "Girl 12 raped by 14 men" sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?


Lawyers defend some pretty awful people, it's their job. A unemployed person writing creepy, sick essays is another story...

treestar

(82,383 posts)
51. The way you put the headline
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

or whoever did write that headline, clearly does not like "innocent until proven guilty." As long as the charge is heinous, anyone accused must be guilty. And does not deserve a lawyer in defense. The Founders would roll in their graves. Of all the anti-Hillary arguments, this one is a big fail and makes its sponsor look really stupid, and like they don't agree with the constitution, and like a right wing conservative who believes anyone accused should just be thrown in jail.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
54. Have you ever...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

...looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? NO

Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like "Girl 12 raped by 14 men" sell so well? NO

To what in us are they appealing? PSYCHOPATHOLOGY?

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
56. She could have resigned if she didn't want to defend the rapist. She didn't. When I
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

think of the word "professional," a lawyer using a "child psychology expert" to call into question the stability of a 12 year old who has been raped is not what comes to mind. Nor is the image of that lawyer laughing about the results. That lawyer would be the one whose behavior and mental health I'd question and I'd certainly never consider her any kind of advocate for women and children.

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