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Clinton defending rapist of 12 year old.
In a sworn affidavit aiming to coerce a psychiatric evaluation of the sixth-grade victim, Clinton during the case nearly 40 years ago called into question the girl's emotional stability, arguing she had exhibited "a tendency to seek out older men and engage in... fantasizing." She added, citing a child psychology expert that "children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences and that adolescents with disorganized families, such as the complainant, are even more prone to such behavior."
But in the recording, Clinton indicated she believed her client was indeed guilty. Heard laughing, she said the polygraph test he managed to pass "forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs."
LAUGHING. Really?
Update: I don't understand how anyone could listen to that audio and not be bothered by it.
Please cut the crap about our judicial system. She holds herself out as a defender of children. Listen to the audio. That is someone who is a defender of children? I'm sure this will go over great in the GE. Most people would not write this off as it's just how the judicial system works.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-stands-by-her-defense-of-1975-rape-suspect/
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)fodder.
riversedge
(70,267 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)This is the first I have heard of the situation.
reddread
(6,896 posts)that was probably a GOP smear.
what she did at the time and who she did it for
and what it meant for underage girls in that state?
sickening.
shattering her faith in lie detectors forever.
creeksneakers2
(7,475 posts)That's basic in America.
reddread
(6,896 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Everyone is allowed access to attorney. Are Repubs really going to hit her on constitutionality?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)The fact that something Clinton did in her early career can be used against her in the present is the subject at hand, now what do you have to say about it?
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)You guys want it both ways. If her record is good, show it to the world, but when it's bad, it's a right wing smear. I guess you don't think other Dem's might be interested in learning more about Hillary.
TM99
(8,352 posts)bullshit about Sander's 'rape fantasy' essay as GOP fodder.
Why should this be any different.
It is just called vetting, right?
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Clinton stated:
"When I was a 27-year-old attorney doing legal aid work at the [University of Arkansas] where I taught in Fayetteville, Arkansas, I was appointed by the local judge to represent a criminal defendant accused of rape," she said when broached with the topic in an interview with British online network Mumsnet. "I asked to be relieved of that responsibility, but I was not. And I had a professional duty to represent my client to the best of my ability, which I did."
She did her job, as distasteful as it was. To do otherwise, would risk malpractice and disbarment.
More GOP like talking points from the Sanders folks.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)otherwise use coping mechanisms. Get back to me when you defense someone's constitutional rights, and have a better way of dealing with it.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)I've always asked mr. Greenwald supporters what specific constitutional Liberty of mr. Hale he was protecting and I've never gotten an answer.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)to put unsubstantiated lies into an affidavit, as Hillary did about the 12 year old victim.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)client in a conservative state. That take crap loads more courage then simply allowing the da to walk all over you just because you have an awful client.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Probably not right away.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)in a witness should prompt serious questions about memory and reliability.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Have you ever been in a situation that is so tragic and sad, that if you didn't find some way to laugh, you would cry?
Sometimes laughing is a sign of irony ... not a sign of humor.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)she was laughing about how guilty he was.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Polygraphs are supposed to determine the truth ... and they don't. That's IRONY.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)She asked to be relieved from the case.
You might believe her, but I certainly don't. Just doing her job.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)This "affidavit" contained not one fucking scintilla of evidence or proof - HRC made it all up - of course she knew the right psychological phrases to use, from her much vaunted work with Marion Wright Edelman. I have researched this whole sordid incident. The man's co-rapist pled guilty; Hillary got this scumbag off on a lesser charge for time served.
When the Free Beacon published tapes in which Hillary Clinton laughed cheerfully about a case in which she got a child rapist off, ordinary people had a glimpse into the twisted mind of a woman who keeps claiming to be a role model for young girls.
Hillary's tactics including accusing a 12-year-old girl who had been savagely beaten and raped, in fine legal language, of being a mentally ill slut. The tapes were shocking even for her supporters. They revealed a complete lack of empathy and Hillary's willingness to do absolutely anything to win.
Now Josh Rogin of the Daily Beast has talked to the woman who was raped, once by her attackers, and again by Hillary Clinton's twisted manipulation of the legal system on behalf of her attacker.
In her interview with The Daily Beast, she recounted the details of her attack in 1975 at age 12 and the consequences it had for both her childhood and adult life. A virgin before the assault, she spent five days afterwards in a coma, months recovering from the beating that accompanied the rape, and over 10 years in therapy. The doctors told her she would probably never be able to have children.
Now 52, she has never married or had children.
I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and engage in fantasizing, Clinton, then named Hillary D. Rodham, wrote in the affidavit.
Clinton also wrote that a child psychologist told her that children in early adolescence tend to exaggerate or romanticize sexual experiences, especially when they come from disorganized families, such as the complainant.
Is being beaten into a coma Hillary Clinton's idea of a romanticized sexual experience?
The victim vigorously denied Clintons accusations and said there has never been any explanation of what Clinton was referring to in that affidavit. She claims she never accused anyone of attacking her before her rape. Ive never said that about anyone. I dont know why she said that. I have never made false allegations. I know she was lying, she said. I definitely didnt see older men. I dont know why Hillary put that in there."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/20/exclusive-hillary-clinton-took-me-through-hell-rape-victim-says.html
http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-tapes/
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/hillary-clinton-dogged-by-1975-rape-case/
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Hell I defended an alleged pedophile that walked. .... his co-defendant pled. Was I supposed to advocate prisons for my client because of what his co-defendant got?
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SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Constitutional rights are not just for the innocent ... but for the guilty as well.
And if you want to take away Constitutional rights from the guilty, how long until they'll be taking them away from the innocent?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Before HRC found out that a piece of evidence had been lost, she filed an unfounded affidavit smearing the child's reputation.
Her defense was blame the victim.
She'd never have been able to back that up in court, but got lucky when the prosecution lost the piece of the child's underpants which had already tested positive for HRC's scumbag client's DNA.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)The Constitution is for everyone ... not just people you deem it should be for.
If the state cannot prove your guilt, beyond a shadow of a doubt, you should be set free.
It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer - William Blackstone
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)be secure in his papers and possessions. The police and the da screwed that up.
reddread
(6,896 posts)how many cases like this was she asked to defend as "a favor"?
how many criminal cases did she work on?
thanks in advance.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)....character.
reddread
(6,896 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Response to Skwmom (Original post)
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I was going to myself. He's delusional. He supports the biggest liar in political history.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)I don't think much more needs to be said.
Arkansas Granny
(31,523 posts)the best defense you can muster. They deserve to be represented in court and that is your job.
As far as the laughter, she was laughing about lie detector results, not the charges or the 12 year old girl.
If you don't like Hillary, that's your business and you are free to vote your conscinece, but could we stop using rw tactics and smears against Democratic candidates?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Must be a day of the week that ends with a "y."
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Sounds like floating on a river in Egypt
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)won't be used by Trump in the GE.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)... this is becoming all to commonplace.
The mods need to start cleaning this place up.
Shameful.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Is this Democratic Underground or Right Wing World? Yuck.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...'zealously advocate' by turning the tables on a 12 year old victim.
You go after evidence, police procedure, inconsistencies in testimony.
Or better yet, what I have seen mostly done...
You plea bargain and take what you can for the scumbag.
Disgusting story.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)malpractice.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...the testimony of an underage victim is subject to radically different courtroom procedure than if the witness was an adult.
This includes a closed court, use of closed-circuit cameras for the jury, and hyper-vigilant monitoring by the judge.
To just 'pull out the stops' on a 12 year old speaks directly to her character.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)An affidavit isn't pulling out all the stops, fyi.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees. A woman tied up. A woman abused.
A woman enjoys intercourse with her manas she fantasizes about being raped by 3 men simultaneously.
Have you ever looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like "Girl 12 raped by 14 men" sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?
Lawyers defend some pretty awful people, it's their job. A unemployed person writing creepy, sick essays is another story...
treestar
(82,383 posts)or whoever did write that headline, clearly does not like "innocent until proven guilty." As long as the charge is heinous, anyone accused must be guilty. And does not deserve a lawyer in defense. The Founders would roll in their graves. Of all the anti-Hillary arguments, this one is a big fail and makes its sponsor look really stupid, and like they don't agree with the constitution, and like a right wing conservative who believes anyone accused should just be thrown in jail.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...looked at the Stag, Man, Hero, Tough magazines on the shelf of your local bookstore? NO
Do you know why the newspaper with the articles like "Girl 12 raped by 14 men" sell so well? NO
To what in us are they appealing? PSYCHOPATHOLOGY?
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)think of the word "professional," a lawyer using a "child psychology expert" to call into question the stability of a 12 year old who has been raped is not what comes to mind. Nor is the image of that lawyer laughing about the results. That lawyer would be the one whose behavior and mental health I'd question and I'd certainly never consider her any kind of advocate for women and children.