2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Americans are tired of hearing about the damn emails"-Bernie Sanders
And there it is. That's the GOP fodder against Hillary Clinton, some "damn emails". Emails Americans dont give a shit about, easily defended, and likely tossed out.
On the other hand....
Here's the likely GOP fodder on Bernard Sanders that would be run on a 24/7 loop until election day. Cue the ominous voice:
1-Dodged the draft
2-Honeymooned in USSR
3-Praised Fidel Castro
4-Pledged to raise middle class taxes
5-Wrote questionable essays on rape and womens health
6-Calling himself a socialist
7-Voted against bill to rescue US economy
8-Possibly bring up vote against rescuing auto industry (an attempt to siphon off union votes)
9-30 yrs in govt with little to show
10-Collapse of an entire healthcare industry
11-An economy in chaos
12-Weak on foreign policy
13-Weak on National security
Etc
Etc
Etc
Now, if you are like me and not easily persuaded by bullshit republican narratives, congratulations. But the vast majority of America is easily terrified and not only will this be an electoral shellacking, but Democrats downticket will be forced to constantly try to defend those above items which would lead to a downticket disaster.
I have a feeling President Obama, who has 2 daughters and is pro-gun control, might not be thrilled about campaigning for a candidate who voted with the NRA, wrote questionable essays about women, and trashed many aspects of his presidency. (Chalk another one up on that list the GOP will use against him on an endless loop).
Imho, Hillary Clinton is the supremely qualified candidate with the resources and army of surrogates ready to win the White House and take back the Senate.
Just my 2 cents on the horse race. Have a great Sunday.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Only one of the candidates is currently under FBI investigation, and that uncomfortable fact doesn't change no matter how many silly little attacks against Bernie you want to reference.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Like I said above. And u realize how her profile will be boosted by 24 hr coverage of them finding no wrong doing.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)And of course tens of millions of American voters?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Whether the FBI will decide to charge Secretary Clinton or any of her staff, only time will tell.
840high
(17,196 posts)common sense with that person.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)+1
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I'm not tired of hearing about e-mails, and you can be sure the GOP isn't either. Bill Clinton's affairs WILL come up too. I bet there are new young girls waiting for their 15 minutes waiting in the wings. Hillary's record is terrible. She supports TPP, the Iraq war, more wars, fracking, oil drilling, laundering money for their scandal called the Clinton Foundation. There's so much more to go after her on than Bernie. And besides, most of us won't support her come November. They can't cheat us and expect us to turn out for them. And I think Trump is a Clinton plot. They are friends ya know who do each other favors.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Or trade deals. Or environmental concerns? Bernie voted for more wars and war funding than any candidate running on both sides.
Meanwhile, Trump is suggesting punishing women for abortions and youre threatening to stay home? Oof.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)He also brought up Bills affairs the one time Hillary accused Trump of being sexist.
Shut her up immediately.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Donald Trump trails Hillary Clinton in every key state nyti.ms/22ZPYC5
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)She's very vulnerable. I know that you won't process that as a Hillary supporter but its clear to those of us on the outside of that bubble.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)You might want to pop ur bubble. She attacks Trump every day on social media about his misogyny. And she had nothing to do with what Bill did. But...Bernie did himself write questionable essays.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I'm canvassing for Bernie in WI today and my lunch break is done. Feel free to have the last word. I just wanted to make sure this thread didn't go unanswered.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Just not voting for her IF she's the nominee. She's not Democratic enough for me. And I think Trump is there to scare us into voting for Hillary. It makes more sense that the Clinton's and Trump team up. He's the crazy loon and she's "looks" saner. Then when she wins, The Donald gets his reward whatever that may be. It was Bill who at one time suggested The Donald run for office.
What better way to get your wife into the White House by scaring us with Trump. He's not flinging much poo at her right now. And the Clinton's can't lose a second time. This is it for her I would think.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Trump. Is. Threatening. To. Punish. Women. Who. Have. Abortions. And. Make. Bigotry. Allowable. By. Law. And. Youre. Ok. With. Not. Helping. To. Stop. Him.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I could not care less about emails. Let the investigators do their jobs imho.
As for the Repuke fodder against Sanders, I do not think it will cost him any votes he would receive in the GE anyway. Right wing would not vote for him regardless.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Hillary? Not at all.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Hillary is our first woman prez.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Her time has come and gone and we owe Obama thanks for dodging that bullet in 08.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Donald Trump trails Hillary Clinton in every key state nyti.ms/22ZPYC5
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/
Autumn
(45,120 posts)he won't be the republican nominee.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)He wont be. He would lose to Trump. And a downticket nightmare.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Please don't take it as criticism but as a heart felt invitation to do better.
Thank you in advance.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)poster.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am so happy I posted it twice.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)The Clinton Foundation pay for play investigation
Bill's affairs
Whitewater will be re-hashed
Her Planned Parenthood endorsement will be brought.up relentlessly
Her running to "strengthen" Obama's agenda will bring.out the Republicans in hordes, especially her ACA proposals
Her immigration policy will be shredded as "too weak"
You're a Hillary supporter and have a limited imagination on how she'll be attacked.
I could easily list 5 more items but typing on my phone is annoying.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Donald Trump trails Hillary Clinton in every key state nyti.ms/22ZPYC5
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)He has to get 57% of reaming delegates to have enough to have majority. If he does not then it goes to a contested convention and he has no chance of winning then. You say 56% of delegate number is not possible So I assumed 57% is also?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)greymattermom
(5,754 posts)But do you think the average voter knows the location of the server that holds their emails? It's too obscure.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Uh huh, its way too easy and I'm not into advertising.
That said I'm off to continue canvassing for Bernie on a beautiful day.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)At the debates against Hillary. SHELLACKED.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)yodermon
(6,143 posts)For some reason hillary supporters think she is "immune" since she's been in the public eye for so long, and has been the object of repuke attacks for so long. I think it just drives up her negatives and gives an endless well from which they can sling mud.
I think the issue is a wash; they will spout against both regardless.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)LOL NO.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Donald Trump trails Hillary Clinton in every key state nyti.ms/22ZPYC5
Hahaha!
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Hillary has been raked over the coals on RW radio, but she hasn't been a real target for attack since Whitewater.
She has pulled a huge amount of crap since then that will be dumped on top of the fertile field the RW attacks have prepared. Her unfavorables are high, Trumps are higher. It will be a negative race like no other and I don't think the will win because of her obvious affinity for "legal corruption". That is an issue that isn't going away and her behavior has painted a huge bullseye on her back.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Let's get the truth out, and see how it's handled IF there was any malfeasance.
I think MANY Americans are waiting to see what happens.