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Selective Outrage. Arizona vs Nevada. (Original Post) jillan Apr 2016 OP
One was engineered by a republican WhiteTara Apr 2016 #1
Please explain how Bernie 'engineered' 600 Hillary delegates to not bother turning up. Kentonio Apr 2016 #2
Who said anything about Bernie? WhiteTara Apr 2016 #5
So which Democrat engineered this please? Kentonio Apr 2016 #16
here WhiteTara Apr 2016 #23
What the hell is Heavy.com? Why should I trust that website? liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #25
What relevance does that have to anyone 'engineering' anything? Kentonio Apr 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #27
Yes, please--I'd love to hear this. CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #6
We almost didn't have anybody willing to be a Hillary delegate at our precinct caucus. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #9
The democrat that failed was the Hillary campaign for not making sure her voters showed up. jillan Apr 2016 #3
It wasn't even "voters" per se... pugetres Apr 2016 #11
engineered by a democrat? Gwhittey Apr 2016 #4
The NV party wrote that pamphlet, not the Clinton campaign. WhiteTara Apr 2016 #8
Please post where you say this? Gwhittey Apr 2016 #10
Sorry, I meant email. nt WhiteTara Apr 2016 #14
OH ok then I totally belive you Gwhittey Apr 2016 #19
You mean the Democratic Party did something wrong? Say it ain't so. From what I've liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #12
Seems it was an ardent Sanders supporter WhiteTara Apr 2016 #15
yeah. okay. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #24
And the Nevada Democratic Party is controlled by Dem party stalwarts CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #20
Glad to hear Bernie had lawyers on the ground in NV. Sounds like he needs to have lawyers on the liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #21
DUrec PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #7
Bingo. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #13
the difference is that Bernie and his supporters were outraged at both fiascos Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #17
It's good that some did Hydra Apr 2016 #22
Clinton won both. Period. KingFlorez Apr 2016 #18
Sanders supporters demand that superdelegates follow 'the will of voters' Henhouse Apr 2016 #28
Difference between Repug gutting vs and Sanders supporter in official position to cheat. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #29
What Sanders supporters cheated? How did they cheat? mhatrw Apr 2016 #33
I mentioned this in another thread here NWCorona Apr 2016 #30
Difference: Clinton supporters aren't calling to cancel the results in Nevada. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #31
Hillary has a problem delegating. nt mhatrw Apr 2016 #32

WhiteTara

(29,719 posts)
1. One was engineered by a republican
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

and the other was engineered by a democrat. Not exactly the same thing.

Response to WhiteTara (Reply #23)

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
6. Yes, please--I'd love to hear this.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

I was a delegate for Bernie at our County Convention in Iowa.

117 of Hillary's delegates didn't bother to show up for Hillary.

Does this person who "engineered" Hillary's no-shows in Nevada have a multi-state operation that was pulled off in Iowa?

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
9. We almost didn't have anybody willing to be a Hillary delegate at our precinct caucus.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:34 PM
Apr 2016

I'm wondering if that delegate will bother to show up at the county caucus.

 

pugetres

(507 posts)
11. It wasn't even "voters" per se...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

The no-shows had already voted at their precinct caucuses and had pledged themselves as delegates for Clinton. But, I guess they had better things to do...

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
4. engineered by a democrat?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:32 PM
Apr 2016

but it caused it to hurt Hillary not help her. Why would people who support her engineer it and then have it turn out to cost her?

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
19. OH ok then I totally belive you
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

I mean a flyer claim you made I would need proof, but now you changed your story to email I totally buy into it with out any type of proof.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
12. You mean the Democratic Party did something wrong? Say it ain't so. From what I've
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

gathered from Hillary supporters the Democratic Party could do no wrong.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
20. And the Nevada Democratic Party is controlled by Dem party stalwarts
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

who are all most likely in Clinton's camp.

They erroneously thought that Bernie's camp would fall for the bullshit. Meanwhile, they can work the phones with their delegates to ensure that the right information is given to the Hillary supporters.

What I have seen in my state is a definite advantage for Clinton within these caucus systems. She knows how the system works because of her 2008 primary experience. And she's got "friendlies" within the system to help her gain advantage.

This happened in my County Convention in Iowa. Sanders supporters are young and many are new to politics, especially local politics. We were kept at our convention for 12 1/2 hours. We didn't know what was going on. However, the people running it at the top, surely did. They're in power positions. Bernie supporters surely are not. And they use all of that to their advantage.

What I see is that Bernie is fighting back. His supporters are fighting back too. They're not falling for the Clinton schtick. And they're alerting the Bernie campaign when lie-based flyers are disseminated or when other antics happen (like the Bernie Credentials Chair that the Hillary supporters tried to oust). Bernie had lawyers on the ground in NV.

I'm happy to hear that. We could have used a few in Iowa at our County Convention after 117 Hillary delegates didn't show--and our process dragged for 12+ hours.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
21. Glad to hear Bernie had lawyers on the ground in NV. Sounds like he needs to have lawyers on the
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

ground in every state. No state is safe from these tactics.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
17. the difference is that Bernie and his supporters were outraged at both fiascos
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary still silent on az, tho some of her supporters did speak up about both.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
22. It's good that some did
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

One of them basically said this morning that nothing should be done in AZ because Bernie might win there too.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
28. Sanders supporters demand that superdelegates follow 'the will of voters'
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:00 PM
Apr 2016

February 11, 2016, 01:53 pm
Sanders supporters demand that superdelegates follow 'the will of voters'
By Bradford Richardson

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269126-sanders-backers-demand-superdelegates-support-will-of-the

You do understand there was a vote on February 20th that Hillary won by a large margin....?

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
30. I mentioned this in another thread here
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

And it was crickets from Hillary supporters including the op.

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