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cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:49 PM Apr 2016

Who gives a FUCK about Bernie Sanders' tax records?

Losers, and those who are about to lose.

Seriously, what would we learn from a glimpse at Bernie Sanders' tax records? That he made $150,000,000+ with his mouth (speaking fees, you dirty minded Hillary supporters) in the last ten years?

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Who gives a FUCK about Bernie Sanders' tax records? (Original Post) cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 OP
Well, we don't know what we can learn ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #1
You really care if an obviously non-wealthy person made errors on their 1040s. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #4
No, it's all politics ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #24
Yeah. And monkeys fly around in my shorts. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #28
LOL! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #65
Do they now.... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #86
But don't you know, Bernie's different? EffieBlack Apr 2016 #90
Remembers Al Gore's "underwear" donation to charity.... Henhouse Apr 2016 #11
Good thing there are no Republicans here then, amirite? I would hate to think what they would say. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #36
I think the GOP will find out if there is anything embarrassing in Bernie's 1040... Henhouse Apr 2016 #47
If there was anything nefarious they would have found it in his disclosures. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #52
How about a deal... Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #85
I do. woolldog Apr 2016 #2
He turned over his paid speech transcripts Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #5
People have paid to hear Sanders? woolldog Apr 2016 #49
True Duckhunter935 Apr 2016 #84
as long as he didn't donate millions to his own foundation to avoid taxes, i am ok questionseverything Apr 2016 #6
Has he released the minimum required? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #8
Wow, that makes no sense at all. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #13
"She did what was required." Required by whom? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #16
Not required, woolldog Apr 2016 #27
I don't care if he releases or not, but this isn't a customary campaign. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #38
Agreed. Sanders' campaign is less transparent than is customary. woolldog Apr 2016 #43
Where is this requirement? What is it? Who legally requires it? Jarqui Apr 2016 #46
I didn't care about Mitt's Kalidurga Apr 2016 #3
Losers, and those who are about to lose. nt LWolf Apr 2016 #7
I agree, it's stuff and nonsense, just like his earlier essays. randome Apr 2016 #9
Agreed. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #12
At least Clinton released her complete returns for the last 8 years. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #10
Has he released the minimum required? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #14
Full returns needed and the sooner the better. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #15
Define "needed". cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #17
Sander's Campaign finance violations. Refusal to release tax returns. There's a pattern here riversedge Apr 2016 #70
And right on cue, TM99 Apr 2016 #75
actually try 23 dsc Apr 2016 #18
Can you point me to the Controlling Legal Authority on candidates releasing tax returns? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #21
can you point me to the one on transcripts dsc Apr 2016 #30
... cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #34
She's released them? Well holy hell! I never thought we'd Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #42
no she hasn't dsc Apr 2016 #44
The opposite would likewise be true mythology Apr 2016 #72
I have stated that she should go ahead and do so dsc Apr 2016 #81
LOL madokie Apr 2016 #91
I learned what he receives in SS and why IMO he feels that he needs to protect mine. Autumn Apr 2016 #19
That sounds about right The Second Stone Apr 2016 #20
I'm a Bernie supporter who would like to see the tax records, as well as Mudcat Apr 2016 #22
I don't need to see any of Hillary's speech transcripts. I KNOW what she said. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #25
Bernie said he would you release his tax forms very soon. SamKnause Apr 2016 #29
Hell we haven't filed ours yet either madokie Apr 2016 #92
I agree. Nictuku Apr 2016 #31
Trumps Taxes Beenues Taxes. No it is Hullarys Wall Street speeches that need to be realeased. Skink Apr 2016 #23
Maybe something like this iandhr Apr 2016 #26
Brady Toensing. So now you cast your lot with the republicans. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #32
If Sanders had nothing to hide... iandhr Apr 2016 #45
Is he related to that disgusting choie Apr 2016 #87
So you must be a fan of the Benghazi hearings since that was a Republican investigation too. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #35
Congress has spent more time investigating Benghazi then 9/11. iandhr Apr 2016 #53
It wouldn't surprise you? Then why are you carrying water for them here? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #57
I am not. iandhr Apr 2016 #67
He already has, did you read it? Toensing is a lying toad, Jane is not being investigated. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #71
THANK YOU!!! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #33
They're all right there? Then what's all the fuss about? Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #48
It's another manufactured scandal, they think we're stupid. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #55
That's what I don't understand. smiley Apr 2016 #77
Maybe they don't understand the forms? They do seem confused about the issue. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #78
#ReleaseTheReturns is trending on twitter. riversedge Apr 2016 #37
Well if it's on Twitter... beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #39
lol..there is a kickstarter to help Bernie pay for an accountant..nt Henhouse Apr 2016 #54
Of course because twitterites are always informed. I mean ou should see what they say about Hillary. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #60
Trending on twitter? Wow. Whoa. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #40
Follow this link to see why "trending on twitter" isn't the measure of anything "real world". cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #69
I think he will and should release them. TDale313 Apr 2016 #41
How do you know he didnt give paid speechs did you see his tax returns? MattP Apr 2016 #50
Actually, the 1040 answers the most important question inchhigh Apr 2016 #51
1 1040 doesnt answer anything MattP Apr 2016 #58
You dont even know what you want an answer to. phleshdef Apr 2016 #63
Exactly. It's a witch hunt. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #64
For a while, it was amusing to watch the urgent need to diss Clinton. randome Apr 2016 #56
Who gives a FUCK about transcripts? LOSERS!! And those who are about to lose. Persondem Apr 2016 #59
No. Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #61
Originality is not your strong suit. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #62
Donald Trump will use this to great effect if Sanders is the nominee Gothmog Apr 2016 #66
Sure, because people will believe one of the poorest senators in Washington is hiding what? Dollars? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #79
He should hold them pending Hillary's Goldman transcripts. DirkGently Apr 2016 #68
The problem is that he's not doing what is expected of presidential candidates... anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #73
Here is the simple reality. TM99 Apr 2016 #74
But how will we ever know who he's beholeden to, if we don't see the records? synergie Apr 2016 #76
"Did he just not know that presidential candidates are required to release their tax records?" Link? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #80
Oh good, then he should have no problem releasing them. Did he forget synergie Apr 2016 #88
You said he was required to release his returns, where's a link to back that up? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #89
Yes, in 2016, a disclosure of his tax returns is expected. Is this news to you? synergie Apr 2016 #94
Ah the old "sweetie" slur, typical of folks who who can't prove their claim so they insult. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #95
The same types of people who are demanding that Hillary release the transcripts. kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #82
no one amborin Apr 2016 #83
The fact that he can't figure out how to hire an accountant wildeyed Apr 2016 #93
 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
1. Well, we don't know what we can learn ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

... Perhaps he has some unusual deductions, gave very little to charity, overpaid or underpaid, etc. If he has nothing to hide, he should release them. My guess is that he probably didn't do a very good job on his taxes, so has to have them reviewed by a professional before releasing them, just in case there are any mistakes.

This is the same game as with the Hillary transcripts. The opposition always wants stuff released so they can comb through is and find a sentence, a deduction, or something else to express horror about.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
24. No, it's all politics ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

... Politicians for years have been expected to release their tax returns. It's a good expectation, and Bernie should release his. I don't care if he made mistakes, but if his wife (who I don't think is a tax professional) really did his taxes, it would probably be wise for him to have them reviewed by a professional first. If he released his taxes and there were mistakes, I'm sure the Hillary campaign would pounce on them, just as the Sanders campaign is pouncing on her emails -- practically adapting a law and order philosophy to challenge her in that regard.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
86. Do they now....
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

I think the ACA covers that condition. Have you tried rubbing Vicks Vapor rub on your private bits...I hear that keeps Monkeys away.


 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
90. But don't you know, Bernie's different?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

He's perfect because his supporters say so, thus there is no reason to look beneath the surface of anything he says or does. And the very fact that you're even suggesting that he may be less than perfect means that you're a corporatist shilling sell-out.

Shame on you.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
47. I think the GOP will find out if there is anything embarrassing in Bernie's 1040...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:18 PM
Apr 2016

Course if he doesn't win the nomination it is a moot point.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
52. If there was anything nefarious they would have found it in his disclosures.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

Of course that won't stop Republicans from spreading rumours and lying about him. That's how they roll.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
85. How about a deal...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

He releases his taxes and she releases her transcripts - I support that one!!

Now I must go hunt for Hillary's taxes to see if she gave very little to charity or overpaid or something groovy.

 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
2. I do.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

If Clinton has to turn hers over and other candidates do too, why should Sanders not have to do it? I'm sick and tired of his entitled attitude.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
5. He turned over his paid speech transcripts
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:54 PM
Apr 2016

When will she do it, iI am tired of her entitled attitude

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
6. as long as he didn't donate millions to his own foundation to avoid taxes, i am ok
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511626213

Among the nuggets in the Clintons' tax forms: The couple has his-and-her LLCs, a corporate entity made by independent earners for tax advantages. Hillary Clinton's post-State Department income from speeches and her book, “Hard Choices,” was paid to ZFS Holdings LLC, established in Delaware a week after she left the job. Her husband uses a similar entity, WJC LLC, to take in speech and consulting income. The Clintons listed WJC but not ZFS in financial disclosures released earlier this year, and the Clinton campaign did not respond to questions about why the candidate's LLC was not disclosed.
The Clintons disclosed $3,022,700 in charitable contributions last year, including $3 million to the Clinton Family Foundation and $200 to Hot Springs High School's class of 1964, for which the former president attended his 50th reunion last fall. In all, the Clintons gave $14,959,450 in charitable contributions between 2007 and 2014, though nearly all-$14,769,000-went to the Clinton Family Foundation, which disburses donations to other charities, including the Clinton Foundation.
The Clintons utilize a tax strategy that I have advocated over the years. Their smart tax adviser has set up a tax savings strategy utilizing their own charity. It is real nice to contribute to your own charity, take the tax deduction and then get some of the money back as administrative fees.
 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
8. Has he released the minimum required?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

If he has, and Hillary has, and then Hillary released more, that's on her.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
13. Wow, that makes no sense at all.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:56 PM
Apr 2016

Prez candidates are expected to release their full returns, not a summary copy. She did what was required. Bernie? Not so much.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
16. "She did what was required." Required by whom?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

And I'd say if Bernie Sanders hasn't already, I think he should satisfy the letter of the law. Over that? I'd tell people to fuck off.

Jarqui

(10,128 posts)
46. Where is this requirement? What is it? Who legally requires it?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

As I posted earlier, Sanders has provided all of these financial disclosures from 2003-2015:
https://www.legistorm.com/memberdisclosure/460/Sen_Bernie_Sanders.html

He's also provided the key part of his 2014 tax return.

AND, he's said he'll release more when his wife, who prepares his tax returns, gets off the campaign trail to dig them up.

If I'm Bernie, I think I'd say "I'll release my tax returns when Hillary releases her transcripts because Goldman Sachs gives Hillary more money for one speech than I make in one year of giving speeches on the floor of the US Senate and Hillary made more money in one year as Secretary of State than I have in my lifetime."
link to HRC 2012 tax return

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. I didn't care about Mitt's
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016

I think it's just something to yell about. I hope he releases them though just to get people to shut up over a non issue.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. I agree, it's stuff and nonsense, just like his earlier essays.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

We know both candidates pretty well by now, there aren't any 'smoking guns' to uncover. Issues!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
10. At least Clinton released her complete returns for the last 8 years.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:55 PM
Apr 2016

What does Bernie have to hide? Can't Jane go home, pick up the tax records file and give the returns to his media spokesperson?

That sound too inconvenient?

riversedge

(70,267 posts)
70. Sander's Campaign finance violations. Refusal to release tax returns. There's a pattern here
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016

Thought this fit fine with the discussion


Sander's Campaign finance violations. Refusal to release tax returns. There's a pattern here http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/22/bernie-sanders-campaign-conjob-follow-the-money … #ReleasetheRecords #p2

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
75. And right on cue,
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

a prominent Clinton lackey here provides a link to Brock's little site with a rat-fucking smear by a nobody blogger.

Thanks for proving my point downstream.

dsc

(52,165 posts)
18. actually try 23
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

every return of hers since 1992 (they were joint filers) has been released. Sanders not even one.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
21. Can you point me to the Controlling Legal Authority on candidates releasing tax returns?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

I'd appreciate it.

dsc

(52,165 posts)
30. can you point me to the one on transcripts
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:07 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary has been criticized for refusing to release those despite there never being such a release by any candidate at any time in history. Sanders is refusing to release what has been standard issue for decades. If you have called even one time for the release of those transcripts your refusal to call for these returns is nothing short of total, complete, and utter hypocrisy.

dsc

(52,165 posts)
44. no she hasn't
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

but my point is that if you are calling for her to do that, but accepting Sanders not releasing taxes then you are a hypocrite of the highest order.

dsc

(52,165 posts)
81. I have stated that she should go ahead and do so
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

I see her point that only she has been asked despite several people who ran after giving such speeches but she may as well release them.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
91. LOL
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

Without looking I knew this would have to be coming from a more than likely hillary supporter




Shore'nuf

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
19. I learned what he receives in SS and why IMO he feels that he needs to protect mine.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:01 PM
Apr 2016

If he had to live on only that it would be not enough, as it is not enough for many of our senior citizens.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
20. That sounds about right
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

Losers and those about to lose.

We don't care about the tax records of someone who isn't going to be nominated.

Mudcat

(179 posts)
22. I'm a Bernie supporter who would like to see the tax records, as well as
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary's transcripts and her personal LLC tax records. Let's see everyone's records: speeches, taxes, supposedly federal email records, everything.

I for one am done with politicians telling us how honest they are, how dishonest their opponent is, and having the chutzpah not to walk the talk.

I support Bernie, and hope he releases tax records soon.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
25. I don't need to see any of Hillary's speech transcripts. I KNOW what she said.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

She said whatever the people waving dollar bills in her direction wanted to hear. It's what she does. She'll even affect a phony accent if she thinks it's needed.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
29. Bernie said he would you release his tax forms very soon.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:07 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know if some people are inferring that he has refused,

but if they are, that is a big fat lie !!!!

I'm with you.

Let's see it all.

Nictuku

(3,616 posts)
31. I agree.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

And I think he will. I haven't heard him say he will not release them, only that they are a somewhat busy, you know, running a national campaign and all.

I expect he will release them.

I believe that Bernie doesn't have anything to hide.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
45. If Sanders had nothing to hide...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

... because he is so honest he would jump at the chance to deny these allegations.


When the President ran for reelection he released many years of Tax returns. Sanders should do the same.



And I think Republicans are POS It's wouldn't surprise me if the GOP is embellishing the truth. But this will come up if Sanders is the nominee and if this is BS I hope that the campaign has a plan to prove i.

choie

(4,111 posts)
87. Is he related to that disgusting
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

Repug Victoria Toensing, who is married to that other disgusting Repug Joseph Di Genova?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
35. So you must be a fan of the Benghazi hearings since that was a Republican investigation too.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:10 PM
Apr 2016

Why would you link to a right wing smear?

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
53. Congress has spent more time investigating Benghazi then 9/11.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:23 PM
Apr 2016

Those hearings are BS. And Hillary answered questions for 11 hours.


It wouldn't surprise me if these allegations are BS.

The Sanders campaign should come out and say so. And for the record not all criticism of Sanders is a smear.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
67. I am not.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:35 PM
Apr 2016

I am saying if it is BS he needs to come out and say so.


The President took too long to learn that.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
71. He already has, did you read it? Toensing is a lying toad, Jane is not being investigated.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:39 PM
Apr 2016
In a statement, a spokesman for Senator Bernie Sanders called this nothing more than mud slinging in a presidential election year. "This recycled, discredited garbage is the handiwork of Brady Toensing, the Vice Chairman of the Vermont Republican Party. These kinds of attacks on family members of candidates are one of the reasons why the American people are so disgusted with politics in America today," the statement said


Stop carrying water for him by spreading rumours.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. THANK YOU!!!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

I keep posting this link to all of his financial disclosures going back to 1990 but they refuse to look at them.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/reports.php?year=2013&cid=N00000528

It's just another smear to deflect from their candidate's record.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
55. It's another manufactured scandal, they think we're stupid.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

If there was anything in his records Brock would have found it already.

smiley

(1,432 posts)
77. That's what I don't understand.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

I've seen this link all day and I keep posting it too. But I keep seeing more ops asking to see his returns.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
78. Maybe they don't understand the forms? They do seem confused about the issue.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

Money Nation published a thorough article on Bernie's finances, if there was something suspicious they would have found it.

riversedge

(70,267 posts)
37. #ReleaseTheReturns is trending on twitter.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:12 PM
Apr 2016


@CNNPolitics @ABC @chrislhayes --Bernie needs #ReleaseTheReturns is trending on twitter #HillaryforNewYork #HillaryForPA #wipolitics

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
41. I think he will and should release them.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

I think it's stupid people are making this a thing and if they wanna have a debate over his finances vs Hillary's? Bring. It. On.

inchhigh

(384 posts)
51. Actually, the 1040 answers the most important question
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:22 PM
Apr 2016

It includes all of his sources of Income. It shows that his main source of Income is his job as a US Senator. I wonder if any other US Senator can say the same.

MattP

(3,304 posts)
58. 1 1040 doesnt answer anything
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:25 PM
Apr 2016

Look at how many thousands of pages Hillary released compared to what 2 pages?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
56. For a while, it was amusing to watch the urgent need to diss Clinton.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

But now parity has been achieved and both sides are digging for dirt instead of talking about issues. DU is like Bartertown from Beyond Thunderdome, a bright spot in the desert on the outside but inside it's powered by pig shit.

Unless some national emergency occurs, I'm out of here for a while. For what it's worth, neither side is contributing anything of substance, IMO, and both are doing more damage to our candidates than helping.

Peace, everyone.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
79. Sure, because people will believe one of the poorest senators in Washington is hiding what? Dollars?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:00 PM
Apr 2016

Bring it, Donald.


DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
68. He should hold them pending Hillary's Goldman transcripts.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:37 PM
Apr 2016

I like this new argument that the transcripts and the tax returns are equivalent. Let's go ahead and accept that premise.

They can release both at the same time.

And we can see if they are in fact politcally equivalent.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
73. The problem is that he's not doing what is expected of presidential candidates...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

No one really expects anything more than that he has a decent retirement account (I hope...given his age). It's just fun as Hillary supporters to have something to hound him on. I hope he doesn't release them for a while, it's a good way to focus negative attention on him.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
74. Here is the simple reality.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:48 PM
Apr 2016

I don't give a fuck. You don't give a fuck. Most people really don't give a fuck. His senate financial disclosures are out there as well as his 1040's. Those paint a pretty clear picture of his financial situation.

But one reporter does give a fuck. He gives a really, really big fuck! He wants to hold Sanders to a 'high standard'. It is a game that we have seen for most of this campaign.

The Clinton Machine and their supporters are trying to take this 'really big fuck' and make into an intimation of financial impropriety. Oh, there are no facts. There are a few crackpot GOP operatives that they quote. But it is a delicious way for them to avoid the true reality of the Clinton Machine's improprieties and to deflect from the constant corruption and scandals that haunt this narcissistic family.

Now, just like with the health records, Sanders will release them. He will release them all. And they will reveal nothing, nada, zip, zilch, etc.

But some damage will be done yet again. Maybe Sanders really wasn't involved in the civil rights movement? Maybe Sanders really does support the militiamen? Maybe Sanders is too old and unhealthy? Maybe Sanders isn't ethical since Brock's PAC filed a bogus complaint with the FEC? Maybe, maybe, maybe...on and fucking on.

It is just more Atwater/Rove rat-fucking. Brock is getting paid amply for all of this.

My only hope is that enough Americans are angry enough and not stupid enough to fall for the lies, distortions, and smears. I am not holding my breath.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
76. But how will we ever know who he's beholeden to, if we don't see the records?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

What is he so afraid of? Did he just not know that presidential candidates are required to release their tax records?

Seriously, did he not know, why is he dragging his feet? You were all going on with your countdown clock indignantly droning on about how we must all know what the candidates are beholden too.

Have you changed your mind, or do you have special rules that Bernie doesn't need to follow because of how special he and Jane are? Seriously, what frightens you and Bernie so about transparency from elected officials? A simple matter that we require of all candidates?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
80. "Did he just not know that presidential candidates are required to release their tax records?" Link?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

He's filed full financial disclosures going back to 1990, plenty of transparency.

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
88. Oh good, then he should have no problem releasing them. Did he forget
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

this? What link are you asking for? Or were you reminding yourself to provide the link for these tax records that go back to 1990 to back up your claims of complete transparency?

He made other statements on the SOTU to Jake Tapper, do you need a link to what he actually said so that you can square it with your claims and your forthcoming links?

Do you need me to google that for you? It's been trending on twitter and there are clips all over ...

I look forward to your links of the full transparency back to 1990 which Bernie and Jane have forgotten about, perhaps we can send it to them?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
89. You said he was required to release his returns, where's a link to back that up?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

I would Google it for you but I want to see if you can do it on your own.

Here's the link to his FULL financial disclosures, get busy. I'm sure Brock missed something.



http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/reports.php?year=2013&cid=N00000528

 

synergie

(1,901 posts)
94. Yes, in 2016, a disclosure of his tax returns is expected. Is this news to you?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:12 PM
Apr 2016

You really require a link to the 2012 election cycle to understand why? Or to explain why after throwing several fits and dramatic arm throwing about his opponents failure to release transcripts (a demand never made of any candidate ever before), he somehow isn't required to MATCH HER TRANSPARENCY on the matter of tax records?

Oh, sweetie, you said FULL transparency, and he needs to match what she's done, just like he insisted she did.

It would seem that you missed a little something, since your link isn't full transparency at all, or even comparable transparency.

So, did you figure out why Bernie couldn't remember your link when he was asked, did he forget, did he not know it was already out, or are you mistaken about what was required?

Which is it? A "senior moment", incompetence and ignorance on his part, or confusion on yours? Which of you missed something? And if this has already been filed, then why does Jane need extra time to produce it?

So little transparency, and so much double talk! Whatever could he and Jane be hiding, or covering up??

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
95. Ah the old "sweetie" slur, typical of folks who who can't prove their claim so they insult.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:20 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not your sweetie, darlin, how about you address what I actually posted and quit stalling?


Yes, in 2016, a disclosure of his tax returns is expected. Is this news to you?


You said required, stop moving the goalposts. Waiting for the link that says he has to release them. Tia!

And as for the rest of ... whatever that was supposed to be that you dressed up as an argument:




wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
93. The fact that he can't figure out how to hire an accountant
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

while running for leader of the free world makes me more nervous than the fact that he is not releasing them. If everything is as simple and hunky dory as he claims, then this is a VERY easy fix.

It bothered me when Romney didn't release his tax records, so yeah, it bothers me that Sanders isn't doing it now. Why are you so defensive? It is a reasonable and very foreseeable request when someone is running for president. If he has nothing to hide, then there should be no problem. He just needs to get it done

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