2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWho gives a FUCK about Bernie Sanders' tax records?
Losers, and those who are about to lose.
Seriously, what would we learn from a glimpse at Bernie Sanders' tax records? That he made $150,000,000+ with his mouth (speaking fees, you dirty minded Hillary supporters) in the last ten years?
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... Perhaps he has some unusual deductions, gave very little to charity, overpaid or underpaid, etc. If he has nothing to hide, he should release them. My guess is that he probably didn't do a very good job on his taxes, so has to have them reviewed by a professional before releasing them, just in case there are any mistakes.
This is the same game as with the Hillary transcripts. The opposition always wants stuff released so they can comb through is and find a sentence, a deduction, or something else to express horror about.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Fuck me to tears.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... Politicians for years have been expected to release their tax returns. It's a good expectation, and Bernie should release his. I don't care if he made mistakes, but if his wife (who I don't think is a tax professional) really did his taxes, it would probably be wise for him to have them reviewed by a professional first. If he released his taxes and there were mistakes, I'm sure the Hillary campaign would pounce on them, just as the Sanders campaign is pouncing on her emails -- practically adapting a law and order philosophy to challenge her in that regard.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I think the ACA covers that condition. Have you tried rubbing Vicks Vapor rub on your private bits...I hear that keeps Monkeys away.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)He's perfect because his supporters say so, thus there is no reason to look beneath the surface of anything he says or does. And the very fact that you're even suggesting that he may be less than perfect means that you're a corporatist shilling sell-out.
Shame on you.
Henhouse
(646 posts)GOP made hay out of that for days....
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)Course if he doesn't win the nomination it is a moot point.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Of course that won't stop Republicans from spreading rumours and lying about him. That's how they roll.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)He releases his taxes and she releases her transcripts - I support that one!!
Now I must go hunt for Hillary's taxes to see if she gave very little to charity or overpaid or something groovy.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)If Clinton has to turn hers over and other candidates do too, why should Sanders not have to do it? I'm sick and tired of his entitled attitude.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)When will she do it, iI am tired of her entitled attitude
woolldog
(8,791 posts)I highly doubt that.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)He has none to turn over as he does not take bribes for speeches
questionseverything
(9,657 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511626213
Among the nuggets in the Clintons' tax forms: The couple has his-and-her LLCs, a corporate entity made by independent earners for tax advantages. Hillary Clinton's post-State Department income from speeches and her book, Hard Choices, was paid to ZFS Holdings LLC, established in Delaware a week after she left the job. Her husband uses a similar entity, WJC LLC, to take in speech and consulting income. The Clintons listed WJC but not ZFS in financial disclosures released earlier this year, and the Clinton campaign did not respond to questions about why the candidate's LLC was not disclosed.
The Clintons disclosed $3,022,700 in charitable contributions last year, including $3 million to the Clinton Family Foundation and $200 to Hot Springs High School's class of 1964, for which the former president attended his 50th reunion last fall. In all, the Clintons gave $14,959,450 in charitable contributions between 2007 and 2014, though nearly all-$14,769,000-went to the Clinton Family Foundation, which disburses donations to other charities, including the Clinton Foundation.
The Clintons utilize a tax strategy that I have advocated over the years. Their smart tax adviser has set up a tax savings strategy utilizing their own charity. It is real nice to contribute to your own charity, take the tax deduction and then get some of the money back as administrative fees.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)If he has, and Hillary has, and then Hillary released more, that's on her.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Prez candidates are expected to release their full returns, not a summary copy. She did what was required. Bernie? Not so much.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And I'd say if Bernie Sanders hasn't already, I think he should satisfy the letter of the law. Over that? I'd tell people to fuck off.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)but customary.
He hasn't released what is customary.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)woolldog
(8,791 posts)Jarqui
(10,128 posts)As I posted earlier, Sanders has provided all of these financial disclosures from 2003-2015:
https://www.legistorm.com/memberdisclosure/460/Sen_Bernie_Sanders.html
He's also provided the key part of his 2014 tax return.
AND, he's said he'll release more when his wife, who prepares his tax returns, gets off the campaign trail to dig them up.
If I'm Bernie, I think I'd say "I'll release my tax returns when Hillary releases her transcripts because Goldman Sachs gives Hillary more money for one speech than I make in one year of giving speeches on the floor of the US Senate and Hillary made more money in one year as Secretary of State than I have in my lifetime."
link to HRC 2012 tax return
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I think it's just something to yell about. I hope he releases them though just to get people to shut up over a non issue.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)We know both candidates pretty well by now, there aren't any 'smoking guns' to uncover. Issues!
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cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)What does Bernie have to hide? Can't Jane go home, pick up the tax records file and give the returns to his media spokesperson?
That sound too inconvenient?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)If he has, I'd say eat shit.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)You can't blow this one away. Won't wash.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)riversedge
(70,267 posts)Thought this fit fine with the discussion
Sander's Campaign finance violations. Refusal to release tax returns. There's a pattern here http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/22/bernie-sanders-campaign-conjob-follow-the-money
#ReleasetheRecords #p2
TM99
(8,352 posts)a prominent Clinton lackey here provides a link to Brock's little site with a rat-fucking smear by a nobody blogger.
Thanks for proving my point downstream.
dsc
(52,165 posts)every return of hers since 1992 (they were joint filers) has been released. Sanders not even one.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I'd appreciate it.
dsc
(52,165 posts)Hillary has been criticized for refusing to release those despite there never being such a release by any candidate at any time in history. Sanders is refusing to release what has been standard issue for decades. If you have called even one time for the release of those transcripts your refusal to call for these returns is nothing short of total, complete, and utter hypocrisy.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)see the day!
dsc
(52,165 posts)but my point is that if you are calling for her to do that, but accepting Sanders not releasing taxes then you are a hypocrite of the highest order.
mythology
(9,527 posts)dsc
(52,165 posts)I see her point that only she has been asked despite several people who ran after giving such speeches but she may as well release them.
Without looking I knew this would have to be coming from a more than likely hillary supporter
Shore'nuf
Autumn
(45,120 posts)If he had to live on only that it would be not enough, as it is not enough for many of our senior citizens.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)Losers and those about to lose.
We don't care about the tax records of someone who isn't going to be nominated.
Mudcat
(179 posts)Hillary's transcripts and her personal LLC tax records. Let's see everyone's records: speeches, taxes, supposedly federal email records, everything.
I for one am done with politicians telling us how honest they are, how dishonest their opponent is, and having the chutzpah not to walk the talk.
I support Bernie, and hope he releases tax records soon.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)She said whatever the people waving dollar bills in her direction wanted to hear. It's what she does. She'll even affect a phony accent if she thinks it's needed.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)I don't know if some people are inferring that he has refused,
but if they are, that is a big fat lie !!!!
I'm with you.
Let's see it all.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I wonder if 'they' think I'm a bad person too
And I think he will. I haven't heard him say he will not release them, only that they are a somewhat busy, you know, running a national campaign and all.
I expect he will release them.
I believe that Bernie doesn't have anything to hide.
Skink
(10,122 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Quelle surprise.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)... because he is so honest he would jump at the chance to deny these allegations.
When the President ran for reelection he released many years of Tax returns. Sanders should do the same.
And I think Republicans are POS It's wouldn't surprise me if the GOP is embellishing the truth. But this will come up if Sanders is the nominee and if this is BS I hope that the campaign has a plan to prove i.
choie
(4,111 posts)Repug Victoria Toensing, who is married to that other disgusting Repug Joseph Di Genova?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Why would you link to a right wing smear?
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Those hearings are BS. And Hillary answered questions for 11 hours.
It wouldn't surprise me if these allegations are BS.
The Sanders campaign should come out and say so. And for the record not all criticism of Sanders is a smear.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)I am saying if it is BS he needs to come out and say so.
The President took too long to learn that.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Stop carrying water for him by spreading rumours.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I keep posting this link to all of his financial disclosures going back to 1990 but they refuse to look at them.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/reports.php?year=2013&cid=N00000528
It's just another smear to deflect from their candidate's record.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If there was anything in his records Brock would have found it already.
smiley
(1,432 posts)I've seen this link all day and I keep posting it too. But I keep seeing more ops asking to see his returns.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Money Nation published a thorough article on Bernie's finances, if there was something suspicious they would have found it.
riversedge
(70,267 posts)@CNNPolitics @ABC @chrislhayes --Bernie needs #ReleaseTheReturns is trending on twitter #HillaryforNewYork #HillaryForPA #wipolitics
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Yawn.
What does it take to "trend" on twitter? For someone to say it?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)I think it's stupid people are making this a thing and if they wanna have a debate over his finances vs Hillary's? Bring. It. On.
MattP
(3,304 posts)inchhigh
(384 posts)It includes all of his sources of Income. It shows that his main source of Income is his job as a US Senator. I wonder if any other US Senator can say the same.
MattP
(3,304 posts)Look at how many thousands of pages Hillary released compared to what 2 pages?
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)But now parity has been achieved and both sides are digging for dirt instead of talking about issues. DU is like Bartertown from Beyond Thunderdome, a bright spot in the desert on the outside but inside it's powered by pig shit.
Unless some national emergency occurs, I'm out of here for a while. For what it's worth, neither side is contributing anything of substance, IMO, and both are doing more damage to our candidates than helping.
Peace, everyone.
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Persondem
(1,936 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Gothmog
(145,433 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bring it, Donald.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)I like this new argument that the transcripts and the tax returns are equivalent. Let's go ahead and accept that premise.
They can release both at the same time.
And we can see if they are in fact politcally equivalent.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)No one really expects anything more than that he has a decent retirement account (I hope...given his age). It's just fun as Hillary supporters to have something to hound him on. I hope he doesn't release them for a while, it's a good way to focus negative attention on him.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I don't give a fuck. You don't give a fuck. Most people really don't give a fuck. His senate financial disclosures are out there as well as his 1040's. Those paint a pretty clear picture of his financial situation.
But one reporter does give a fuck. He gives a really, really big fuck! He wants to hold Sanders to a 'high standard'. It is a game that we have seen for most of this campaign.
The Clinton Machine and their supporters are trying to take this 'really big fuck' and make into an intimation of financial impropriety. Oh, there are no facts. There are a few crackpot GOP operatives that they quote. But it is a delicious way for them to avoid the true reality of the Clinton Machine's improprieties and to deflect from the constant corruption and scandals that haunt this narcissistic family.
Now, just like with the health records, Sanders will release them. He will release them all. And they will reveal nothing, nada, zip, zilch, etc.
But some damage will be done yet again. Maybe Sanders really wasn't involved in the civil rights movement? Maybe Sanders really does support the militiamen? Maybe Sanders is too old and unhealthy? Maybe Sanders isn't ethical since Brock's PAC filed a bogus complaint with the FEC? Maybe, maybe, maybe...on and fucking on.
It is just more Atwater/Rove rat-fucking. Brock is getting paid amply for all of this.
My only hope is that enough Americans are angry enough and not stupid enough to fall for the lies, distortions, and smears. I am not holding my breath.
synergie
(1,901 posts)What is he so afraid of? Did he just not know that presidential candidates are required to release their tax records?
Seriously, did he not know, why is he dragging his feet? You were all going on with your countdown clock indignantly droning on about how we must all know what the candidates are beholden too.
Have you changed your mind, or do you have special rules that Bernie doesn't need to follow because of how special he and Jane are? Seriously, what frightens you and Bernie so about transparency from elected officials? A simple matter that we require of all candidates?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He's filed full financial disclosures going back to 1990, plenty of transparency.
synergie
(1,901 posts)this? What link are you asking for? Or were you reminding yourself to provide the link for these tax records that go back to 1990 to back up your claims of complete transparency?
He made other statements on the SOTU to Jake Tapper, do you need a link to what he actually said so that you can square it with your claims and your forthcoming links?
Do you need me to google that for you? It's been trending on twitter and there are clips all over ...
I look forward to your links of the full transparency back to 1990 which Bernie and Jane have forgotten about, perhaps we can send it to them?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I would Google it for you but I want to see if you can do it on your own.
Here's the link to his FULL financial disclosures, get busy. I'm sure Brock missed something.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/reports.php?year=2013&cid=N00000528
synergie
(1,901 posts)You really require a link to the 2012 election cycle to understand why? Or to explain why after throwing several fits and dramatic arm throwing about his opponents failure to release transcripts (a demand never made of any candidate ever before), he somehow isn't required to MATCH HER TRANSPARENCY on the matter of tax records?
Oh, sweetie, you said FULL transparency, and he needs to match what she's done, just like he insisted she did.
It would seem that you missed a little something, since your link isn't full transparency at all, or even comparable transparency.
So, did you figure out why Bernie couldn't remember your link when he was asked, did he forget, did he not know it was already out, or are you mistaken about what was required?
Which is it? A "senior moment", incompetence and ignorance on his part, or confusion on yours? Which of you missed something? And if this has already been filed, then why does Jane need extra time to produce it?
So little transparency, and so much double talk! Whatever could he and Jane be hiding, or covering up??
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I'm not your sweetie, darlin, how about you address what I actually posted and quit stalling?
You said required, stop moving the goalposts. Waiting for the link that says he has to release them. Tia!
And as for the rest of ... whatever that was supposed to be that you dressed up as an argument:
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)while running for leader of the free world makes me more nervous than the fact that he is not releasing them. If everything is as simple and hunky dory as he claims, then this is a VERY easy fix.
It bothered me when Romney didn't release his tax records, so yeah, it bothers me that Sanders isn't doing it now. Why are you so defensive? It is a reasonable and very foreseeable request when someone is running for president. If he has nothing to hide, then there should be no problem. He just needs to get it done