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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:07 PM Apr 2016

More information on Bernie's tax situation.

Excerpts from National Memo:

As for Sanders, the single Form 1040 he released raises more questions than it answers, especially since the junior senator from Vermont has a history of making incomplete and misleading financial disclosures.

In 2014, he reported an adjusted gross income of $205,271, most of it from his Senate salary.

What appears unusual are his itemized deductions, totaling $56,377, a whopping 27.4 percent of his income. People in his income class of $200,000 to $500,000 on average take 15.6 percent of their income as deductions, while those in the $100,000 to $200,000 range averaged 18.8 percent. Both averages are far below the Sanders itemization rate.

Sanders and his wife paid $27,653 in federal income tax, or 13.4 percent of their adjusted gross income.

When I tried to look more closely at Sanders’ taxes, Michael Briggs, the chief spokesman for his campaign, sent a statement that is simply not true, although he may not have understood why at first. In an email, Briggs wrote that Sanders and his wife Jane “made public his federal and state income tax returns last year when he became a candidate for president and intends to do so again this year.”

I wrote back to Briggs repeatedly, explaining that a Form 1040 is not a tax return. Perhaps that was unnecessary, since Briggs has more than two decades of experience as a political reporter and publicist for various U.S. senators. More than two decades ago on C-SPAN, he displayed a nuanced understanding of legal issues.

...To readers who think this sounds too harsh, I’d say that when Sanders holds himself out as a paragon — running a campaign built on the idea that he remains untainted by money from the rich and powerful — he should be expected to walk the talk.


http://www.nationalmemo.com/why-hasnt-bernie-sanders-released-his-tax-returns/
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More information on Bernie's tax situation. (Original Post) kstewart33 Apr 2016 OP
Why isn't a 1040 an acceptable tax return? mainer Apr 2016 #1
It's an incomplete document DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #4
It's basically only a summary of the details of the return. Just what were all those "deductions".. George II Apr 2016 #6
If it were 1040A where all you have are income, standard deductions, taxes due question everything Apr 2016 #11
It's a summary, not the return geek tragedy Apr 2016 #12
No one should ever file "only a 1040" jmowreader Apr 2016 #13
You have to use the 1040 if you're taxable income is over $100,000 dflprincess Apr 2016 #18
But according to the OP he had itemized deductions of more than $50K question everything Apr 2016 #20
25% of someones income itemized would be a huge red flag to the IRS uponit7771 Apr 2016 #27
K&R! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #2
BS is more 1% than he wants anyone to know. liberal N proud Apr 2016 #3
My wife and I are both retired, and we paid a higher rate this year. George II Apr 2016 #8
of course he is - but a 1%er leading a "revolution" would surely fail (if known) DrDan Apr 2016 #32
OK, but I remember the days when I only filed a 1040. mainer Apr 2016 #5
not with 20k in deductions dsc Apr 2016 #7
Actually, he has 50K deduction.. Also he claims 4900 in business income question everything Apr 2016 #38
If you claim deductions, you must list them in a separate required IRS document. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #9
It's called a Schedule A, and Clinton's tax returns all include hers, every year. nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #10
Thinking out loud... jmowreader Apr 2016 #17
Those Americans aren't running for president. Sanders is. stopbush Apr 2016 #23
Since there is not an emoticon for it yet FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #14
Now, picture more rats watching it on a VCR and masturbating... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #21
Is he using tax shelters? Investments gone bad? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15
Those are about the percentages my husband and I pay. Vinca Apr 2016 #16
In other words, no need to keep it a secret. eom fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #24
KNR Lucinda Apr 2016 #19
Won't you be embarrassed if it is all charitable deductions? snowy owl Apr 2016 #22
People generally don't withhold financial info if it makes stopbush Apr 2016 #25
You're assuming again. snowy owl Apr 2016 #29
Yes. That's the consequence of not being transparent. stopbush Apr 2016 #34
they have no shame....they will just move on to other nonsense virtualobserver Apr 2016 #28
+1, The itemized deduction part would've gotten anyone else audited. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #26
You don't know that. snowy owl Apr 2016 #30
I empirically do know that, for a fact cousin works for the IRS. I'm sure Sanders will release all.. uponit7771 Apr 2016 #31
"cousin works..." is not empirical. You still do not know that. snowy owl Apr 2016 #39
This is the best attack the Clintons have? libtodeath Apr 2016 #33
You don't need great attacks stopbush Apr 2016 #35
Apparently being supported and elected by ordinary people is just wrong nolabels Apr 2016 #37
This isn't more information, it's just innuendo Cal Carpenter Apr 2016 #36
K & R Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #40
Is the IRS investigating him for wrongdoing? Like the FBI is investingating Hillary for wrongdoing? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #41
Actually they are investigating to see if any emails should be classified. fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #42

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
4. It's an incomplete document
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:13 PM
Apr 2016

because of the different attached schedules that everyone else who releases these documents attach, and release.

George II

(67,782 posts)
6. It's basically only a summary of the details of the return. Just what were all those "deductions"..
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

....which are the crux of a tax return.

It also doesn't indicate all the sources of income, either.

question everything

(47,513 posts)
11. If it were 1040A where all you have are income, standard deductions, taxes due
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

and taxes paid, and the final line of whether you over paid or under paid, it would be enough.

But with the amount of deductions that he claimed, and if he also had interest and dividends, he has to show all supporting schedules: A, B, D - as a start.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
13. No one should ever file "only a 1040"
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

The three individual tax forms are:

1040EZ - single filers and childless couples filing as Married Filing Jointly that don't have to use any schedules
1040A - single filers and couples with or without children, filing as any status, whose only schedule is Schedule B for interest income
1040 - everyone who needs to use any tax schedules above and beyond Schedule B

If you're a taxpayer whose situation fits Form 1040EZ and you file Form 1040 instead you are dumber than you look. You will get the exact same answer from either form but the 1040 is a lot harder to fill out because there are a hell of a lot more lines to it.

No sir, if you are filing Form 1040 it's because you have income and expenses that need explaining on other forms. What those other forms are is the Bernie Sanders $64,000 Question.

dflprincess

(28,081 posts)
18. You have to use the 1040 if you're taxable income is over $100,000
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

it doesn't necessarily mean you have any other income or expenses.

I have a friend who hit the limit a couple years ago. Her kids are grown and her house is nearly paid off so she had no other deductions to itemize so she takes the standard. Additional income is jut a small (under $1500 annually) dividend she gets that doesn't need additional forms.

question everything

(47,513 posts)
20. But according to the OP he had itemized deductions of more than $50K
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

Thus he should at least show Schedule A. And if he has dividends and interest, he needs to attach also Schedule B.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
5. OK, but I remember the days when I only filed a 1040.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:18 PM
Apr 2016

Without any additional forms. If you're going to attack Bernie for this, then you're attacking a huge number of Americans who've only filed 1040s and will sympathize with him because you're attacking him for exactly what they do.

When his paperwork is released, I predict this issue will disappear into embarrassed and mysterious silence.

question everything

(47,513 posts)
38. Actually, he has 50K deduction.. Also he claims 4900 in business income
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

and about 700 self employment tax, so he needs to release Schedules A, C and SE. At least.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
9. If you claim deductions, you must list them in a separate required IRS document.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:21 PM
Apr 2016

The document is attached to the 1040. The list is required so that the IRS can determine whether each qualifies as a legitimate deduction. Bernie has released the top summary sheet but no list.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
17. Thinking out loud...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

He should be filing at least:

Schedule A (Itemized Deductions)
Schedule B (Interest Income)
Schedule C (Profit and Loss from Business - IIRC Bernie pays his wife as a political consultant)
Schedule D (Dividends)
probably Schedule E (Supplemental Income and Loss)

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
23. Those Americans aren't running for president. Sanders is.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:29 AM
Apr 2016

Just another example of Senator Hypocrisy's penchant for calling the kettle black, then acting offended when people demand the same transparency from him that he demands of others.

Sanders has no integrity at all.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. Is he using tax shelters? Investments gone bad?
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

It's very odd to have 25 years of six-figure income, own multiple pieces of real estate, and claim to be worth less than $300k.

Vinca

(50,300 posts)
16. Those are about the percentages my husband and I pay.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 08:21 PM
Apr 2016

I don't see anything so strange about it. From the tizzy everyone is in around here I assumed he was getting a bloody refund. Get a grip people.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
25. People generally don't withhold financial info if it makes
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

them look good.

Most likely, Sanders doesn't want people to see how rich he is and the fact that he's probably not at all charitable.

Just another nail in the Sanders-the-hypocrite coffin.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
34. Yes. That's the consequence of not being transparent.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

People assume you have something to hide, even if there's nothing to hide.

Sanders himself makes such an assumption about Hillary's speeches to GS et al.

What's good for the gander...

uponit7771

(90,348 posts)
31. I empirically do know that, for a fact cousin works for the IRS. I'm sure Sanders will release all..
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

... taxes though, no one would let this go

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
35. You don't need great attacks
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

when you are already massacring your opponent in delegates and the popular vote.

You need only toss a bit of dirt in response to the piles of dirt being tossed by your opponent, just to let people know you're not rolling over.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
37. Apparently being supported and elected by ordinary people is just wrong
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

Then to think someone would actually manage and live off of that same salary that same position rendered exclusively.

Just think how outrageous that is in our day and age.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
36. This isn't more information, it's just innuendo
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

Why don't we ask him for his long-form birth certificate while we're at it?

I don't understand this obsession. He isn't making any income from questionable sources, which is what could have maybe triggered questions about his integrity. His itemized deductions are higher than the average household, but are they higher than the average Senator? I would think that would be a more meaningful point for the writer to address, unless, of course, it disproves his point...

I'm no expert on taxes, but isn't it possible that someone who essentially has to maintain two residences because of their work has more to itemize? That someone who may have a home office, travel expenses between DC and VT for work, and god knows what else may have more deductions than the average person with a regular day job?

Or maybe he had a bunch of energy efficient work done on his house. I got a big break on that during the year that I got new windows, a new roof, and added insulation to my house. It was way out of proportion to my rather low income because I used long-term savings to pay for it.

This whole thing is so weird. And I haven't heard *anyone* in real life express any concern about it. He has provided the proper, required financial disclosures every year he has been in office. There are no red flags. There is no obligation for him to present his full tax forms. This is just a red herring. I would think it would behoove those who oppose him to focus on things that actually put his integrity into question if they can find any. Or better yet, start phone banking and canvassing for your candidate so we don't have to take the chance of having as president a guy with (gasp) a high level of itemized deductions!11!

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
42. Actually they are investigating to see if any emails should be classified.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:59 PM
Apr 2016

It's a common Republican mistake that gets passed along.

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