Stunning.

The desperation grows by the day.

basically she lied as usual.

she'll be claiming she doesn't have super pacs or that she didn't vote for the Minutemen.

She's never denied her background. She's been a Democrat her entire adult life, and Bernie has never officially joined the Democratic Party. He's currently raising money for a Senate relection bid as an independent, not a Democrat. In fact he has spent most of his life speaking contemptuously of it.

That you all focus on this sort of distraction while ignoring and covering up for your own candidate's false statements on issues central to his candidacy are par for the course. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511628659

She did not "lie as usual." Your statement that she is fundamentally dishonest is refuted by fact checkers. Sanders has a lower truthfulness rating. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

The old adage about glass houses applies here. The irony is off the charts. There is not even the pretense of concern about principle or issues left anymore.

LOL

Politifacts? Wow who has the hottest truthiness rating from the corporate capitalist fact checkers. It's about as meaningful as which member of the Chinese Communist Party is rated most honest by the Chinese media fact checkers.

I'm able to judge for myself. Hillary lies a lot.

You haven't seen the threads about Why hasn't Bernie posted eight years of his tax returns yet.

His excuse. We've been busy is not good enough. Something evil this way comes! Whooooooh!

But I will agree with you on one thing here. This is a pretty silly complaint. And she probably meant since she was in the whitehouse or working in the senate.

I wish all this stupid shit would just stop already.

I've just popped in here today and am already caught up in shit. I've got to stop this myself.

but on face value I'd say that is a significantly more important issue. And no, we've been busy isn't good enough. People made a huge issue about Romney not releasing more of his returns, and it could well have cost him the election. Candidates should absolutely make that information public. Over half of the country has already voted. He's had plenty of time.

That said, I don't know what the status of Bernie's tax returns are, but from your post above it looks like they haven't been released. Funny how the same people who insist Clinton should release her transcripts of speeches given in her capacity as a private citizen don't think Bernie's tax returns matter.

As for evil intent, people here assume Clinton's very existence on the planet is evil. Everything she does is, according to them, malevolent. I've seen threads expressing disgust that she dares to say something kind, so complete is their hatred for her. And you're pissed off to get a little push back about Bernie's tax returns. Cry me a river. Sanders supporters dish out negative attacks 24/7; they ought to be able to take a few in response. I have zero sympathy.

There is no way tax returns compares to this nonsense that is too vacuous even for Fox News or Breitbart.

Geezus,no wonder I stay out of this forum now.

Oh, and on this:

Cry me a river. People who dish negative attacks 24/7 ought to be able to take a few in response. I have zero sympathy.

Goes both ways you know? The attacks have not stopped on either side since this began and it's ramped up on both sides. You do not have any reason to think you are victimized here. You are one of the best at doing this.

As I was saying...it's stupid on both sides. I mostly just "defend" lies when I see them, but this forum now is not even reading responses...people are just slinging shit as fast and hard as they can and they don't even care if the source is valid or not.

Have fun!

her say many times that she has been a Democrat for her entire adult life. She had never denied being a Goldwater girl as a teenager.

Come on, you know, she and Bill and words, always using them strategically, to mislead, to basically lie.

and technically, I guess she is right.

Which leaves considerable room between age 16 and that time, so maybe it's accurate and maybe not.

Still, it's that very careful use of the language that seems very typical of her and other politicians being evasive.

Heck, Sanders ran against Democrats in general elections.

I mean really.

But when it mattered, Clinton was supporting Democrats long before Sanders or Warren.

called himself a democrat too. As did Max Baucus, Byron Dorgan, John Breaux. It all depends on what your definition of is is .

She could have said all her adult life or something like that and been truthful. But ALWAYS sounds so much better!

something she didn't even say.

significantly less than 21, and the age for drafting people into the service was 18 "back in the ancient days of the 1960s&quot , you believe Hillary Clinton was NOT an adult when she went to college in her late teens?

She was an adult - she was raised Republican and volunteered as a Republican and for all intents and purposes, she was an ADULT Republican.

As she experienced more of the world, she changed her political views. She was a real live grown up adult when that happened.

Was she a mature teenager? Probably not. But frankly, that isn't the point - the point is that it is disingenuous to imply and/or insult she wasn't an adult during those years.

Truthfully, her youthful indiscretions don't really bother me. But pretending the evolution was because "she became a mature adult and obviously went the Democratic way" is insulting. It also isn't how we view maturity in this country (see "teenagers charged as adults currently serving time in prison" for examples of how we hold people accountable).

After that she interned with Republicans in Washington, DC.

In Sanders case, he's been further to the left of most Democrats and liberal leaning since his college years or before. I've never regarded that as much of a black mark against him. He was never close to being a Republican.

Hillary, on the other hand, was actually with the Republicans.

support Republicans in the years ahead.
She campaigned for Republican Senator Brooke.
She continued to support Republican Rockefeller through the '68 convention in Miami when she was nearly 21.
She interned with Republicans in Washington around that time including Republican Minority Leader (to become president in '74) Gerald Ford, Melvin Laird (a Nixon cabinet member) and Republican Senator Goodell (who was appointed to replaced Bobby Kennedy).

In '68, she didn't attend the Democratic convention. She was in Chicago and she and a friend told their parents they were going to a movie and she claims she saw some of the protest problems.

There were claims her commencement speech was an anti war speech but it wasn't.

Her real transition to the Dems appears to have been influenced by Bill when they hooked up at Yale.

"She was in Chicago and she and a friend told their parents they were going to a movie and she claims she saw some of the protest problems."

Hillary in her own words claims (from Hillary's autobiography "Living History&quot

"So Betsy (Hillary's friend) told her mother, “Hillary and I are going to the movies.”

She picked me up in the family station wagon, and off we went to Grant Park, the epicenter of the demonstrations. It was the last night of the convention, and all hell broke loose in Grant Park."

I could easily concede since Hillary has always had a problem telling the truth that the above account may not be truthful. But that is what Hillary had to say about it.

The 1968 Democratic National Convention was held at the International Amphitheatre - an indoor arena in Chicago at 42nd and Halsted Street.

"Aerial view of the International Amphitheatre prior to the '68 DNC - Aug. 25, 1968"

Grant Park where the afternoon demonstration Hillary claims she witnessed took place, was about 6 miles from the International Amphitheatre.

"Crowds gather at the old Petrillo band shell on the south end of Grant Park during the 1968 anti-war demonstrations."
In the evening, the center of the demonstration shifted to outside the Hilton Hotel across the street from Grant Park.

Hillary did not claim she attended the Democratic National Convention. Most literate people consider being six miles away from a convention on it's last day and never claiming to go near the place where it was being held as not attending that convention. Evidently, some feel otherwise.

Tapper questioned her campaign on using that tactic too.

she's a lifelong Democrat.

nor research the truth prior to your erroneous statement.

no, she has not been a "lifelong democrat".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017349419

I'm well aware she was a Goldwater girl until she was all of 18. It is irrelevant.

It's not just for Republicans!

I did not know that.

...talk about weak!

She was a zombie when she was a Goldwater Girl.

video did she say that?

It is unlikely that she became a (D) before 1969 at the very earliest.

That would make her 22 before she switched, possibly older.


She has also claimed that "She has been a Democrat all of her adult life". That too is bull shit. People are adults before age 22.


If people are not adults until age 22 or later, why does the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 lower the age at which someone can be tried as an adult to age 13?

Hey, TRANSCRIPTS....

The petty nonsense is never ending.