JANUARY 30, 2016

DES MOINES, Iowa – Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, issued the following statement Saturday on negotiations over additional debates:

“After refusing for months to participate in more debates, Secretary Clinton requested that the Democratic National Committee rules be changed and that a new debate take place in New Hampshire next week. We agreed pending an agreement on three future debates in March, April and May. Unfortunately, the Clinton campaign has not accepted debates we proposed on March 3 in Michigan and April 14 in New York. They apparently agreed to May 24 in California. The Clinton campaign, after not accepting Michigan, now says they want it. We are pleased to do it on March 3 before the Michigan primary provided the Clinton campaign will agree to Brooklyn, New York, on April 14. Why won’t they debate in Brooklyn? What’s the matter with Brooklyn?”


https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement-on-debates/

And they can certainly do more than one event a day. They have been doubling up in the past.

Some have speculated Central Park.

How much you want to bet that the Clinton campaign knew about this, through their connections to the NYC political machine?

I can't wait to find out who.

Again - just a rumor.

Sanders is far behind. He doesn't get to call the shots.

Sorry, but that's math.

What hubris to think that the person with the most super delegates gets to "call the shots". What is this? The family?

and the popular vote. I'm sure that was just an accidental oversight and not an attempt to shade the truth by implying that her lead is only due to super delegates.

Everybody runs who can make this a race. This isn't some power-elite ruled game.

This is certainly a race that is not over. Do you want to talk populism? Who's the majority demographic showing up at the polls and then being turned away? Who's being purposely downplayed by corporate media?

HRC doesn't get to call the shots ... unless she is getting unsurpassed help in doing so, which is sure looks like it is, lead or not in the delegates thus far.

To use a football analogy, I was at the Texas A&M vs. Baylor game in 1977. A&M was down 31-3 at the half. People were leaving. We stayed and A&M beat Baylor 38-31. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

Is it charity?

Is the better move for Camp Clinton at this point to refuse?

This isn't about power games, though that's exactly what you're saying?

Is there any respect for democracy here?

So it's either the 14th or 15th.

But your probably know that, right?

Can't just reschedule it to 2pm, those don't get the same attendance.

Clinton knows all of this.

People who might otherwise attend have to work so they definitely wouldn't draw as big a crowd.

The real reason, Bernie wants the debate before his "huge" crowd event, so he can have the crowd boo the media that claims Hillary the Winner.

from the outraged masses. That gives it another level entirely.

I gave $200 so far and I do not feel looted.

You really sink to the lowest!

There's a lot of it going around.

Identifying with this distant figure who doesn't care about you, and then being jealous on her behalf!

the "outraged masses?
Are Bernie supporters now called that?

Interesting view of thousands of people.

We have 24 of them!

Period.

Case closed.

Did you not have enough guts to call his supporters
the "unwashed masses"?

You came extremely close to that!

But then democracy may not have a meaning
for you or even anything you might be interested in.

in Manhattan. I wonder if the Clinton campaign might have been privy to the permit that was secured and suggested that date?

Why did she not agree to the dates Sanders suggested when she is scheduled to hold major fundraising events, mingling with those who have are above the middle class while Sanders is holding events for free?

Inquiring minds would like to know.

Sanders is correct, our campaign finance system sucks, Clinton continues the status quo, Sanders had the courage to challenge the system.

Please feel free to donate to the those politicians who are not beholding to big money

https://berniesanders.com/?nosplash=true/

and are beyond the reach of most citizens.

She is too busy holding high dollar fundraisers to schedule a debate that she agreed to almost two months ago.

Integrity is supposed to mean something, so an edit would be good- thanks!

So I do appreciate it.

candidates. I know we do not agree, but hope we can at least be civil and truthful in our discussions.

from both sides. Thanks for being a doll! :HI:

I just see one candidate continuing the status quo and one challenging the system and bringing in the next generation, we need to shake things up a little and give hope to the millennial generation that will play an important role in our future. They see the games more clearly with the instant access to information. Guess I have always been a bit of a reticent radical, plus I would like to vote for someone once in my lifetime.

Thanks!

we are all just trying to survive and give those less fortunate a leg up.

Waste of energy, pointless!

currently watching an interview on Aljazeera with Misty Copeland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misty_Copeland

Unfortunately Al Jazeera America will be shutting down the end of the month.

Misty is pretty amazing. I think Netflix (maybe Amazon) has a documentary showing about her now.

Well fuck me, he should have known two months ago that he would be doing a 4/14 huge rally in NYC after doing so well in primary and caucus states he should have known he would win.

Sounds silly doesn't it.

POTUS has to do more than one thing a day ya know...

No candidate is going to do a massive rally at a park in NYC either before or after a major network debate. To pretend that any including Clinton is just a bullshit game.

They spend maybe an hour and a half at one of these things. There is no reason why he couldn't debate before or after.
Evidently I have more faith in your candidates abilities than you do.

You are throwing around bogus arguments to justify the shitty behavior of your candidate. Do you honestly think we don't see this?

I get it. But don't blame Hillary for it. They were negotiating the date and Bernie made noise to get attention rather than work out the details. Now he is trying to make excuses about the date that HE asked for. It's really not that complicated.

This is the typical dirty politics that Americans are sick of.

4 days before.

shall we say Hillary Demanded another debate before the NH debate after she statistically tied in Iowa and was down double digits in NH polls? Sanders said he would agree to the last minute debate in NH before that primary if the DNC and Clinton would schedule three more debates. Clinton agreed, but they never agreed on the April debate, she obviously was hoping the people and Sanders would have dropped out by now.

Also since January 30th, and apparently no confirmation from Clinton for almost two months, they secured a permit for a rally in NYC.

Sanders has been Very, very Soft on Hillary, if she makes it to the GE, the Repubs will not be as nice.

but can not locate it now. Do you know anything about this?

It's not like he'd be speaking for hours and hours at the rally.

Fuck that shit.

Thanks for the thread, imagine.

and I'm sure Secretary Clinton will be there.

Hopefully she won't show up and they can just make it a Town Hall. Way to throw down the gauntlet!!!!

Ready for Bernie to kick some ass.

Go Bernie.

with the Clinton camp. Just another opportunity for Sanders to diss on Hillary.

Yell about Hillary being unfair, get air time and donations. Works like a charm.

Can't handle Bernie dissing on her.


Maybe it's time for her to put on her big-girl pants and quit her whining.


Her demand for April 14th is now a very transparent attempt to ruin Bernie's rally plans.

If she doesn't want to show on the 10th, 11th, 12th or 13th,
maybe Bernie can just debate an empty chair!

The same number of 'real democrats' will be there,
whether she shows up or not !

Except the Hillary fanatics who really don't have a clue how they are being manipulated. They've got an excuse for everything.

Now she can either shut up and show up or pull a trump and stay away.

and work it out. Silly idea to air this.

Clinton wanted another debate, at the last minute, before the NH primary.

So after months without an April debate date the Sanders campaign finally went public, it was fairly obvious that the Clinton was stalling and hoping this would all be over with, the problem is people want a say.

Millions have worked and donated for a system that is not controlled by big money. Some might find that offensive, but many more are offended by the inequality whether it be by race, income, gender or religion. Those are the people who are rising up to challenge the status quo.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511605054


Sanders Counters Clinton’s Debate Challenge With His Own
January 28th

"Bernie Sanders sees Hillary Clinton’s challenge, and is raising the stakes in their race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

A day after Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, urged Sanders to participate in a proposed, unsanctioned debate next week, the Vermont senator, her closest rival, fired back with a call for more debates.

.....Clinton’s call for more debate opportunities is relatively new, and comes as the race in Iowa has appreciably tightened and as Sanders passed her in New Hampshire polling.

....."From the beginning of this campaign Sen. Sanders has called for more debates. Secretary Clinton has not,” Weaver said in a statement. “Now she is asking to change the rules to schedule a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Sen. Sanders has significant momentum.”

but if I had to look to one campaign as being more honest then I'll choose the person who has been consistent for decades.

One is candidate is showing poor form and judgement, the other has been more than patient.

when he knows they will respond with crazy angry CTs about it. That is the stock response to everything these days.

clock on securing a date in April and when the Sanders campaign had proposed at the end of January a date which was never accepted how long do you expect a campaign to hold that date open when they are trying to secure locations in NYC before the NY primary? Not tacky to air this, they worked behind the scenes for months, they aired this just before the beginning of April.

When should they push to lock up a date for an agreed upon April debate, maybe in May? They all have busy schedules, especially before the NY primary, when should they finalize a date?

And you can see the other posts here saying Sanders proposed the April 14th date at the end of January and they are now deriding him for not accepting this date TWO months later because other plans were secured.

Sanders proposed this date at the end of January, when did the Clinton campaign accept that date, please answer that question.

How long should he wait to hear from the Clinton campaign, the Clinton campaign is playing a dangerous game. She pretty much already lost my daughter who is on a secure career path and said she could easily move to another country, this week my son told me he will no longer 'hold his nose' and vote for the lesser of two evils and will join many of his friends and stay home if Clinton is the nominee. A month ago he would have voted for Clinton, but no longer, he came to that conclusion on his own.

Contrary to what Clinton might think, the millennials are very engaged and are paying attention, they are just not going to perpetuate the games being played upon society.

So the question to ask is why they claimed she wouldn't debate him, when they were in talks about the debate...
The results of that action were lots of media attention and lots more donations.

innuendo. But some people really like to run crazy with some seriously stupid and minor shit.

Sunday night. lol.

And she gets testy when she feels on the defensive.

they are negotiating in bad faith. question is whether the dynamics of the mass media and politics are such that could make a debate happen under any remotely reasonable terms

obviously, the day of the NCAA championship final, the very time of a major planned rally that can't be changed now, and in the morning of the 15th are all crappy. is it possible to get the hillary camp to agree to ANY kind of suitable time? the answer is yes ONLY ONLY ONLY if mainstream media and political observers (who are other than committed hillary partisans) see thru all this and demand at least some sort of good-faith options

but it looks as if there are no observers willing to do that here on du other than solid bernie supporters like me, while the other side here on DU is only committed partisans of hillary

the OP is interesting in that it suggests a role for MAINSTREAM institutions and voices who are not clearly partisan like on DU

No thanks. The 14th works for everyone.

...would have left off the snarky second paragraph. If I were being challenged, I would decline based on that snark. This goes for Bernie, too, if snarled at by Hillary.

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