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The Panama Papers and the Democratic Primary... (Original Post) Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 OP
I just posted a thread about this. I think it will put Bernie in the WH. dinkytron Apr 2016 #1
Of course, and when your theory doesn't pan out it's because of a conspiracy nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #2
Thanks Kreskin. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #5
Let's hope the Clinton Foundation is included Politicalboi Apr 2016 #3
This is the kind of desperation Sanders cheerleaders have reduced themselves to ... SFnomad Apr 2016 #4
You do realize that this is a MAJOR news story globally, right? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #6
Wish in one hand- pee in the other. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #7
Great response, very enlightening, thanks for participating Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #8
An appropriate one given the outright desperation some of COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #11
Lets pretend you and I both weren't partisan hacks...in the real world this is called vetting. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #14
Yep. Conflating the Panama Papers story with Clinton without COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #15
We are discussing the possibility and its effect on the primary. As one would do... Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #16
And tomorrow I'll post discussing the 'possibility' that Bernie COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #18
Wanna make a bet on which of those may actually happen? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #19
No inferences. Only wishful thinking. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #27
Undeclared income beedle Apr 2016 #24
Undeclared income is generally detected through COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #28
You mean the IRS doesn't do that? beedle Apr 2016 #29
Merely responding to your assertation that COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #30
And if Bernie were a multi millionaire I'd be a lot more curious beedle Apr 2016 #33
Yes and you saw the post hoping that the Clinton Foundation gets caught up in it, didn't you? SFnomad Apr 2016 #10
Why can't we be honest with each other? If there was an establishment Democrat* who would be Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #12
I was being honest ... anyone that hopes someone gets caught up in this is sick SFnomad Apr 2016 #17
Conversation is never part of the problem Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #20
Hoping the Clinton Foundation gets caught up in the scandal isn't conversation, it's an illness. n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #21
By all means, please direct me to where in the op I 'hoped' that the CF 'gets caught up' Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #22
I didn't say in the OP ... SFnomad Apr 2016 #25
Crickets ... SFnomad Apr 2016 #34
The fact that people would assume that the Clinton's would be involved in something like this... Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #35
Hoping that someone is involved in an international scandal IS a sickness SFnomad Apr 2016 #36
I swear to Christ that, if North Korea suddenly COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #9
You should read post 12 as well. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #13
Read it. Didn't get anything out of it. COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #37
Hillary picked Iran as the big danger, Bernie said North Korea is more dangerous Fumesucker Apr 2016 #31
I used N.K. precisely to highlight how silly the whole COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #32
Can't wait to see the list Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #23
When is the next data dump supposed to come? Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #26
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
4. This is the kind of desperation Sanders cheerleaders have reduced themselves to ...
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

Flinging feces against the wall ... hoping something, anything, sticks. Sounds no different than how Republicans have acted towards the Clintons for over 20 years. I expected better of Democrats.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
6. You do realize that this is a MAJOR news story globally, right?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

That a ton of very high profile politicians are got up on this outside of the United States, right? And that the information on US folks has not been released yet, but will be in the near future.

This isn't tinfoil hat shit, this is really something that is going to make waves.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
11. An appropriate one given the outright desperation some of
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:15 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie's disciples are showing with some posts now, hoping hope against hope that something, anything will arise that can be used to deny her the nomination and making speculation based on absolutely nothing but that desire.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
15. Yep. Conflating the Panama Papers story with Clinton without
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

a shred of evidence is now called 'vetting' Got it.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
16. We are discussing the possibility and its effect on the primary. As one would do...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:21 AM
Apr 2016

....in a discussion forum geared towards that primary.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
18. And tomorrow I'll post discussing the 'possibility' that Bernie
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:23 AM
Apr 2016

is refusing to make his tax returns available because he's hiding a whole bunch of undeclared income resulting from Meth sales in Vermont. It's a scourge there, you know. It's what one would do in a discussion geared toward the primary.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
19. Wanna make a bet on which of those may actually happen?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:34 AM
Apr 2016

You can leap and bound all you want. I'll stay here with inferences and common sense.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
24. Undeclared income
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:20 AM
Apr 2016

Would not show up on tax returns, which is why it's called undeclared.

Of course, open secrets has all the info from Bernie's income declarations going back to the early 90's if that's really what you are interested in!

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
28. Undeclared income is generally detected through
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

the info provided on Tax returns. Expenses, deductions, purchases inconsistent with the amount of income declared.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
29. You mean the IRS doesn't do that?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

The IRS has plenty of stages to catch such frauds. Returns are flagged by fancy algorithms for just such discrepancies.

Unless you have a history of Sanders being flagged and found in violation of tax fraud, then what exactly are you expecting to find in his returns that aren't already disclosed in his regular and legally required financial reports as a member of congress?

I think the more immediate concern should be with what the candidate with the 90% chance of being the next president was promising in private to the financial institutions that collapsed the world economy with dishonest and unethical practices ... if Sanders cheated on every single penny of his tax returns it still would not be 1/1,000,000,000th as damaging as the harm that comes from government and the financial industry being too cosy.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
30. Merely responding to your assertation that
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:12 AM
Apr 2016

seeing his tax records would serve no purpose. The IRS does examine tax returns, some more vigorously than others while having multiple sets of eyes on all the candidates' returns is valuable for democracy. So far Bernie has not provided his. And no amount of deflection changes that fact.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
33. And if Bernie were a multi millionaire I'd be a lot more curious
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

I'm more interested in what was said or promised in the speeches that raked in multi-millions of dollars for Hillary from the financial sector.

Aren't you at all curious about that?

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
10. Yes and you saw the post hoping that the Clinton Foundation gets caught up in it, didn't you?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:12 AM
Apr 2016

It's a sad, sick thing when Sanders cheerleaders sink to that level, but it's hardly unexpected.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
12. Why can't we be honest with each other? If there was an establishment Democrat* who would be
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

caught up in this mess, it would be the Clintons and/or the foundation.

If you want to talk about it outside of the box of 2016 Primary, then there is some great discussion going on in the GD forum.

*Establishment democrat running for President.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
17. I was being honest ... anyone that hopes someone gets caught up in this is sick
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

And it was posted in THIS thread, so there is no reason for me to take it anywhere else.

And since you can't seem to condemn that type of post, you're part of the problem.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
22. By all means, please direct me to where in the op I 'hoped' that the CF 'gets caught up'
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:08 AM
Apr 2016

You can't. Sorry.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
25. I didn't say in the OP ...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:41 AM
Apr 2016

I said ...

you saw the post hoping that the Clinton Foundation gets caught up in it, didn't you


If you look at post #3 (the one right before my original post) it states ...

Let's hope the Clinton Foundation is included ... That'll be some fun.


That post is an illness, not conversation. You can apologize at any time ... I won't hold my breath.
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
34. Crickets ...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

But I'd be embarrassed too, if I were you ... and I'd wish it would just go away.

Your silence (and implicit condoning of that sick posting) speaks volumes.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
35. The fact that people would assume that the Clinton's would be involved in something like this...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

....is nether shocking or 'a sickness'. Your righteous indignation is pretty funny though.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
36. Hoping that someone is involved in an international scandal IS a sickness
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

And your silence (and feeble attempts to defend it) shows that you are part of that sickness.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
9. I swear to Christ that, if North Korea suddenly
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:10 AM
Apr 2016

lobs a missle at the Phillipines the first posting by some of Bernie's disciples will be something like "North Korea agression - is Hillary somehow involved????" It's beyond ridiculous.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
31. Hillary picked Iran as the big danger, Bernie said North Korea is more dangerous
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:12 AM
Apr 2016

Glad to see you agree with Sanders.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
32. I used N.K. precisely to highlight how silly the whole
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016

thread is. And anyone who believes that North Korea is more dangerous than Iran needs their head examined - and certainly shouldn't be C in C.

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