2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA Betrayal of Workers: In NY, Hillary Is Falsely Taking Credit for Fight For $15
Hillary Clinton is taking credit for the Fight for $15. Heres why this is a betrayal of workers.
Mark Provost | April 4, 2016
Hillary Clinton will be joining New York Governor Andrew Cuomo on Monday for a rally in the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center at 11 a.m. to celebrate the historic $15/hour minimum wage legislation. Speaking as someone who worked for the Fight for $15 from the very first action in NYC, let me explain why this is an appalling betrayal of workers.
Fast-food workers marched in the streets and shut down stores for years, while an army of online supporters shared viral photos, memes, and news. And we did it again and again. Despite all odds and haters telling us that a $15 minimum wage would never happen and still telling us that we should be realistic we started winning and never looked back.
Fight for $15 is arguably the greatest union victory in decades, perhaps even the greatest victory of the progressive movement in recent history.
One of those victories came eight months ago, when the Democratic Party adopted a $15/hour minimum wage in the official party platform, weeks after Bernie Sanders introduced legislation in Congress.
http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-15-hour-minimum-wage/
Autumn
(45,120 posts)but hey, a photo op is a photo op.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I remember hearing, "Well, maybe we can try for $12...maybe...Once I'm safely in the WH..."
amborin
(16,631 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Talk about pampered and entitled.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Somehow that's actually worse than taking a bad stand on it. I remember all of her surrogates screaming about how minimum wage shouldn't be a thing here, so I guess she hedged her bet in public while letting her minions try to sink it.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)if THEY can get their hands on it.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Response to Autumn (Reply #1)
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Hillary, self serving soul that she is - who never even supported`the campaign, will now take credit.
Hurrah.
dchill
(38,516 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)she had flashbacks of fighting for the minimum wage on the tarmac in Bosnia
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)She has a ton of class and sadly it is all low.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)The High priests of Mammon can destroy us all if they do not get enough sacrifices...
amborin
(16,631 posts)from a DU post:
15. At the Las Vegas townhall she said...
Typical Clinton lie to get votes...
Here she says she supports 'Cuomo who wants to raise it to $15' - not $15/hour for everybody.
Then Clinton states "But I'm standing with the majority of Democrats in the Senate who have introduced a minimum wage increase to $12. "
QUESTION: One more question, will you support a living wage of $15 an hour, which is an issue that is very that is at the forefront for working families?
CLINTON: Absolutely. You know, I support a federal minimum wage and I support states going higher than the federal minimum wage. That's why I support Andrew Cuomo in New York who wants to raise it to 15. I supported what they did in L.A. And I supported what they did in Seattle.
But I'm standing with the majority of Democrats in the Senate who have introduced a minimum wage increase to $12. That would put it at the highest it has been since 1968. That would mean a wage increase for 35 million American workers, and one in four low-wage workers who are now just barely getting by.
And it would help so many women because the majority of minimum wage workers are women. So I'm absolutely in favor of it. I will do everything that I can. We'll set it because it's a floor. And then I will use the bully pulpit to convince states that believe they can go further to do just that.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/transcript-msnbc-telemundo-clinton-sanders-town-hall-n520781
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)peons to be slaves, I'm ok with that."
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)They would have accused her of stabbing them in the back if she said $12 isn't enough on the national stage. Protecting and courting suprdelegates.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)sponsors.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Had some group handing out fliers saying she was for it.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)support for 15 $ IN NY..... because it is a fuck ton more expensive to live here? Were you all ignorant of that- or just pretending to be? LOL. So much integrity.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)She said it..I heard her. Are you ignorant of the words that came out of her mouth in a debate on national television?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)As in NYC. She supported the 15$ movement in NY. Sorry, this is bullshit.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)CA do not need the same minimum wage. Some really expensive places to live like NY and NJ have the worst minimum wages and benefit programs. That is messed up.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Not just for NY or CA. THAT is what is messed up, because we both know she came out against a $15 national minimum wage. When it's put on a campaign poster like that, the line gets blurred. See what I mean?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I guess I have always been aware it is a minimum and states are fighting for other increases when they need to?
I assumed it was widely known it is both a federal and states issue.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)They won't look at it and think, "Yes, but just for NY because it's widely known that it is both a federal and states issue." That is clearly what the poster is designed to do.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but they care, then they should do the bare amount of reading on the subject. She has discussed the 12$ figure extensively.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Thinking she, like Bernie, was for $15
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)fight for. Why is this distinction lost on so many people here? She has been very clear explaining that.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)In Texas it is much more expensive to live a city like Austin or Dallas vs the outskirts of a town like Tyler.
There are parts of Texas where cost of living is higher than parts of NY.
We need a just national minimum wage.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I am not sure why suddenly people are claiming this is a bad thing? New talking point. LOL.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Should gay marriage be a local issue? How about abortion? Should the EPA or DoE be abolished, as some Republican candidate propose?
Sometimes local politicians fail their people.
If you are arguing that minimum wage should be a local issue, that would be better for the GD forum.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a thing- a thing that BOTH candidates think is good. Seriously people here are misrepresenting the issue, and try to twist it as if Bernie is against states and cities having their own minimum wage because Hillary accepts that? I doubt he ever said it, but here we are making shit up about BOTH candidates, to try and make Hillary look bad. No integrity to be found here.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)But I guess she really does, and she was just lying again. During a debate, on national television. It is baffling to me that you can say it's bullshit when it came out of her mouth in a debate. And she did not qualify it like you are.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And when you continue to pretend this is a lie- it is you who totally lacks integrity.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and if you knew anything about this issue you pretend to care about, you'd know it was always a floor and some states would need to go higher. To say they are the same is baloney. Stop perpetuating lies.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)support in the senate already. Which matters, because 15$ does not have wide support.
This is not some random salary negotiation- it;s something that has already been debated among the senate.
If it actually matters to you- then get your facts straight.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)She.Does.Not.Support.Them, She pretended to in Vegas, and she is pretending to again. She is a liar.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)It is not two different opinions or a flip flop- because it is two different things. Jeeze.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Clinton states "But I'm standing with the majority of Democrats in the Senate who have introduced a minimum wage increase to $12. "
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)No integrity at all. Nope.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)is that laborers do not want a nationally fractured, balkanized minimum wage, with some areas giving and some areas taking away. $15 an hour, for labor, everywhere, with no excuses or backpedaling or asterisks. Work is work, and work deserves fair pay. There are not that many difference in cost of living, things like gas, education, medical care, child care, food and even rents, are going up everywhere. To say that it is less expensive to live in one place is a lie, used to dampen wage growth. As soon as someone starts muttering into their sleeve about the "cost of living" they are going to follow up with an excuse as to why they can't pay a fair wage for labor.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I'm guessing you don't live in NY, NJ or Cali, or have read many studies.
Anyway- this is off point, the OP is a deliberate attempt to confuse people that she was talking about a ceiling, not a floor. I guess those falling for it have never read much about the issue they claim to hold so dear.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)Where are the places on this map where you are going to tell someone that the minimum wage is enough.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)anyone generally has. And taxes. Shit, when you factor those in.
I can't believe anyone would try to argue otherwise. No grasp of the facts, no integrity.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)hypocritical LIAR!!!
Thankfully those poor, young people that she feels sorry for will see right through this pandering bullshit.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)now act like they were for it the whole time, LOL.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)They spin so fast it's hard to keep up with what they want to pretend to be each week.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Inquiring minds want to know.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)Or . . . were you just . . .
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Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)This takes the cake!
Nightjock
(1,408 posts)as soon as she takes credit for something she did not have anything to do with the Hillary memes will follow!
I think I will ask my 14 year old how you do that kind of meme stuff. A few pop to mind already.
Hillary standing next to Neil Armstrong on the moon...
maybe standing next to Lincoln feeding him the words to the Gettysburg address...
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Just listen to that Etch-a-Sketch a-rattle.