2016 Postmortem

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts) Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:48 AM Apr 2016

David Cay Johnston is a renowned investigative reporter, Glenn Greenwald is a fan of his

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cay_Johnston

He's a regular guest on Democracy Now

http://www.democracynow.org/appearances/david_cay_johnston

He has written articles praising the tax policies of Bernie Sanders.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/david-cay-johnston-agree-bernie-sanders-article-1.2521997

He, not David Brock, not Peter Daou, not Hillary Clinton, is the one who broke the Sanders tax disclosure issue recently.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/why-hasnt-bernie-sanders-released-his-tax-returns/

Bernie Sanders is not being persecuted. This is a legit issue of transparency that he will have to address, and it's either a sign of political malpractice or something else that he's getting caught off guard by this.

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David Cay Johnston is a renowned investigative reporter, Glenn Greenwald is a fan of his (Original Post) geek tragedy Apr 2016 OP

Oh dear, there went all the memes, the talking points and delusions of persecution. synergie Apr 2016 #1

The practice goes back to Truman - this is not something new Lucinda Apr 2016 #2

What else will you ask for after his tax returns? Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #3

Tax returns. He needs to produce them. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4

He's going to - where are Hillary's Goldman S speech transcripts? Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #5

We gets credit for producing them when he produces them geek tragedy Apr 2016 #8

What does this mean? "We gets credit for producing them when he produces them" Who gets credit? TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #25

He gets credit for producing them when he produces them. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #26

He's not bought Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #33

He's not open and transparent either. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #36

Obsess much? whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #7

it's cute that y'all think Hillary's the one not being transparent geek tragedy Apr 2016 #12

I stopped pushing for the transcripts long ago whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #18

it's not about hoping to find anything. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #20

He said he will produce them. He is in Wisconsin right now. They aren't in his suitcase. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #19

So, after the NY and Pennsylvania primaries? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #22

I don't know. In 2008 Hillary Clinton released hers on April 4th after Obama released his and dared Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #23

Hillary didn't need to be pressured in 2016 to release them. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #24

OMG it's mind numbing. I really do need to pay attention to my own signature line. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #27

oh that's cute, resort to a crude personal insult when you don't have geek tragedy Apr 2016 #28

No I tried to reason with you. You don't want to be reasoned with. You want to complain. Please do! Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #29

No, I'm more than happy to engage in reason. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #30

his AARP membership card, his Medicare card Unwanted Democrat Apr 2016 #16

13th attempt today Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #6

... opiate69 Apr 2016 #9

I just finished his piece from a couple days ago! R B Garr Apr 2016 #10

I can't wait till these are released.. frylock Apr 2016 #11

As Hartmann just reported Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #13

The 1040 isn't a return, it's a summary of a return. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #14

No Schedule A, no itemized deductions, no charitable contributions. Incomplete! CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #17

I posted the National Memo article on Friday RockaFowler Apr 2016 #15

Johnston has updated his column from Friday based on weekend events. CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #21

Greenwald won't be a fan of his any longer Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #31

This will be one of those things that Greenwald just chooses to ignore nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #32

Guilt by insiniuation Armstead Apr 2016 #34

Had the Sanders campaign not been doing that with the transcript issue geek tragedy Apr 2016 #35

He didn't say he'd "study" whether to release them. He said he will. Armstead Apr 2016 #38

Of course you buy his excuse nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #39

You think he has some deep dark secrets? A hidden fortune? Armstead Apr 2016 #40

I think he is all hat no cattle on transparency geek tragedy Apr 2016 #41

Nah, it's a bullshit issue hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #37

4 Pinocchios geek tragedy Apr 2016 #43

Sanders is hiding something. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #42

maybe something will turn up in the Panama papers? azurnoir Apr 2016 #44

I don't know. Maybe his tax preparer had another geek tragedy Apr 2016 #45

Like Whitewater was his tax preparer in on that? azurnoir Apr 2016 #46

Did Sanders report that golden parachute as income? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #47

Oh so she was in on it linky please I want to hear all about that azurnoir Apr 2016 #48

Stories about Bernie's tax preparer geek tragedy Apr 2016 #49

synergie

(1,901 posts)

1. Oh dear, there went all the memes, the talking points and delusions of persecution.

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:55 AM

Apr 2016

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)

2. The practice goes back to Truman - this is not something new

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:55 AM

Apr 2016

http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns

And this group has POTUS candidate records from the early 2000's onward.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)

3. What else will you ask for after his tax returns?

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:59 AM

Apr 2016

you have his health record, I guess you'll want his birth certificate, gym membership card, grocery bills... anything else?

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

4. Tax returns. He needs to produce them.

Reply to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:00 AM

Apr 2016

Not provide excuses.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)

5. He's going to - where are Hillary's Goldman S speech transcripts?

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:02 AM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

8. We gets credit for producing them when he produces them

Reply to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:21 AM

Apr 2016

TheBlackAdder

(28,211 posts)

25. What does this mean? "We gets credit for producing them when he produces them" Who gets credit?

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:53 PM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

26. He gets credit for producing them when he produces them.

Reply to TheBlackAdder (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:53 PM

Apr 2016

Sorry if the typo made the meaning unclear.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)

33. He's not bought

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #26)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:46 AM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

36. He's not open and transparent either. nt

Reply to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:00 AM

Apr 2016

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

7. Obsess much?

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:09 AM

Apr 2016

Hope this turns out to be worth it... Kinda think it'll be a crushing disappointment.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

12. it's cute that y'all think Hillary's the one not being transparent

Reply to whatchamacallit (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:29 PM

Apr 2016

when she's disclosed a lot more than he is.

tell ya what, maybe Hillary supporters will lay off the taxes if the stupid transcripts argument also gets a breather, but if Bernie people are going to insist and pushing transparency, Hillary people will push transparency and consistency

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

18. I stopped pushing for the transcripts long ago

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:34 PM

Apr 2016

Not because they wouldn't be probative, but because I knew she'd never reveal them. She's filthy rich with many questionable activities and associations. Bernie is poor (by congress standards). What do you really hope to find?

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

20. it's not about hoping to find anything.

Reply to whatchamacallit (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:38 PM

Apr 2016

this is a basic of any serious presidential candidate.

Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz got raked over the coals for disclosing more than Bernie Sanders has.

If there are any ticking time bombs in there, or if there aren't, we should know either way.

And it's not just the super rich that have stuff in there of interest--Marco Rubio's finances got quite a bit of attention.

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)

19. He said he will produce them. He is in Wisconsin right now. They aren't in his suitcase.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:35 PM

Apr 2016

How about you relax with a nice cup of tea and give him a few weeks to get them to you.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

22. So, after the NY and Pennsylvania primaries?

Reply to Nanjeanne (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:39 PM

Apr 2016

Convenient.

A politician's promise to provide transparency does not mean anything. Only actual transparency counts.

Johnston has been asking about this for months, and has been stonewalled by Sanders and his staffers.

Why do you suppose that is?

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)

23. I don't know. In 2008 Hillary Clinton released hers on April 4th after Obama released his and dared

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:51 PM

Apr 2016

her to. At that point the following states had their primaries:

Iowa
NH
Michigan
Nevada
SC
Florida
Alabama
Alaska
American Samoa
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Idaho
Illinois
Kansas
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Missouri
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Utah
Louisiana
Nebraska
US Virgin Islands
Washington
Maine
Democrats Abroad
District of Columbia
Maryland
Virginia
Hawaii
Wisconsin
Ohio
Rhode Island
Texas
Vermont
Wyoming
Mississippi
North Dakota

She released hers prior to the remaining 9 states in 2008. Since there are still 22 states to go in 2016 - Bernie is only following her excellent example. And I bet he beats it.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

24. Hillary didn't need to be pressured in 2016 to release them.

Reply to Nanjeanne (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:52 PM

Apr 2016

Bernie needs more pressure apparently.

What happened to leadership by example?

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)

27. OMG it's mind numbing. I really do need to pay attention to my own signature line.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:54 PM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

28. oh that's cute, resort to a crude personal insult when you don't have

Reply to Nanjeanne (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:55 PM

Apr 2016

an argument other than "leaaavee Bernniiieeee aloooone."

By the time he releases his taxes, his campaign will be admitting he has no path to the nomination, and no one will care.

The last meaningful primary vote will take place on April 26.

Nanjeanne

(4,974 posts)

29. No I tried to reason with you. You don't want to be reasoned with. You want to complain. Please do!

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:57 PM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

30. No, I'm more than happy to engage in reason.

Reply to Nanjeanne (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:59 PM

Apr 2016

It is very simple.

If he can't walk the walk, he shouldn't talk the talk.

Hillary Clinton is walking the walk better than Bernie Sanders is.

Bernie is talking the talk.

And that is the plain truth of the matter.

Until he at bare minimum meets her level of disclosure and transparency, he's a hypocrite for attacking her on the issue.

Unwanted Democrat

(18 posts)

16. his AARP membership card, his Medicare card

Reply to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:33 PM

Apr 2016

his bar mitzvah records, etc...

I agree with you: Release the transcripts.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)

6. 13th attempt today

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:03 AM

Apr 2016

Please, continue

opiate69

(10,129 posts)

9. ...

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:23 AM

Apr 2016

R B Garr

(16,967 posts)

10. I just finished his piece from a couple days ago!

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:30 AM

Apr 2016

It was excellent. Glad you filled in that he was the first reporter before Tapper to bring up Sanders lack of accountability despite holding himself out as a "paragon" of virtue.

I Googled it and found it right away at the nationalmemo link. Definitely worth the read.

frylock

(34,825 posts)

11. I can't wait till these are released..

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:13 PM

Apr 2016

I'm going to be sure and enable your obsession by linking to them in reply to any post that I see from you going forward.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)

13. As Hartmann just reported

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:31 PM

Apr 2016

Bernie DID release his 1040. If just wasn't enough for DCJ

BTW, When Is Hillary going to release the Transcripts? I think were up to about 60 days or so now.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

14. The 1040 isn't a return, it's a summary of a return.

Reply to Ferd Berfel (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:32 PM

Apr 2016

The important stuff is in the attached Schedules.

DCJ is not one who tolerates or peddles bullshit when it comes to taxes.

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)

17. No Schedule A, no itemized deductions, no charitable contributions. Incomplete!

Reply to Ferd Berfel (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:33 PM

Apr 2016

No partial credit for trying to cover it all up with the 1040 either.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)

15. I posted the National Memo article on Friday

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:33 PM

Apr 2016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511625515

It barely got any traction
I was a little disappointed

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)

21. Johnston has updated his column from Friday based on weekend events.

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:39 PM

Apr 2016

Tapper then gently challenged Sanders on issuing only Form 1040, a summary, but not his full tax returns. Sanders said, “No that’s not true. That is not true, we have released them in the past.”

But the Sanders campaign has not provided me with any returns after I repeatedly requested them. My web searches have not turned up any Sanders tax returns, save the 2014 Form 1040. But if someone has located complete Sanders tax returns, please email me via davidcay@me.com.

If there are no full returns available, then the Senator has offered a deceptive response. If his campaign clarifies his remarks (or releases his tax returns back to 2007, when he became a senator), I’ll update again.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)

31. Greenwald won't be a fan of his any longer

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:59 PM

Apr 2016

you can bet on that.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

32. This will be one of those things that Greenwald just chooses to ignore nt

Reply to Blue_Tires (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:00 PM

Apr 2016

Armstead

(47,803 posts)

34. Guilt by insiniuation

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:54 AM

Apr 2016

Okay Sanders shouldcrelease more tax returns.

But the implication that this automatically means he must be hiding something is ridiculous.

It verges on the Rovian. USe a candidates strengths against him.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

35. Had the Sanders campaign not been doing that with the transcript issue

Reply to Armstead (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:59 AM

Apr 2016

I might have sympathy.

His strength is talking about transparency, not practicing transparency.

In courtroom dramas, this is wear the judge says "you opened the door, counselor."

Armstead

(47,803 posts)

38. He didn't say he'd "study" whether to release them. He said he will.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:02 AM

Apr 2016

I'll take him at his word that he and his wife have been kinda busy, and haven't had a chance to do that yet.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

39. Of course you buy his excuse nt

Reply to Armstead (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:04 AM

Apr 2016

Armstead

(47,803 posts)

40. You think he has some deep dark secrets? A hidden fortune?

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #39)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:05 AM

Apr 2016

I think the most notable thing about them will be how boring and mundane they are.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

41. I think he is all hat no cattle on transparency

Reply to Armstead (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:55 AM

Apr 2016

and every other issue.

He's earned 4 Pinocchios for his bullshitting and stonewalling on taxes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie-sanderss-false-claim-that-he-has-released-his-full-federal-tax-returns/

His interview with the Daily News was a Trumpesque train wreck where he admitted he had no idea how he would break up the banks not what the fallout would be.

All talk, no substance. Not my idea of honesty.

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)

37. Nah, it's a bullshit issue

Reply to geek tragedy (Original post)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:46 AM

Apr 2016

This is a legit issue of transparency that he will have to address

It isn't legitimate. Nobody's going into this looking for anything specific related to something he has actually done--it's just a fishing expedition. As soon as he puts out his tax info you people will simply ignore it and hold up the next hoop to demand he jump through.

Where the screaming and crying about Bernie "hustling the party" all go?

Or ripping off his supporters?

What happened to painting him as racist sympathizer? Which seems really odd for a jewish guy, BTW.

Maybe he's not raising enough for other democrats?

Or was he too negative?

"He gets nothing done!"

Of course, there's the good old math screed that's less about abusing Sanders and more about abusing his supporters.

What those threads all have in common is OPs making no attempt to flesh out any ideas, ask any questions, answer any questions, or engage in discussion. Just throwing anything and everything out there to see what sticks. Textual equivalent of winning a fight by screaming. Same as today's salvo, apparently.