2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Democrats Are Flawlessly Executing a 10-Point Plan to Lose the 2016 Presidential Election
2. Nominate the only person who can reunite the Republican Party once Trump failing to get the nomination has fractured it beyond repair.
3. Fracture the Democratic Party by broadly supporting the Clinton camps attempts to smear Bernie Sanders and his supporters.
4. Fatally underestimate the electoral chances of the two men now most likely to be the Republican presidential nominee in November: Ted Cruz and John Kasich.
5. Fail to nominate their most popular candidate, in particular the one with the best chance of beating Ted Cruz or John Kasich in the fall.
6. Freeze one of the most popular Democrats nationally, Bernie Sanders, out of the picture altogether.
7. Reject Sanders call for a fifty-state general-election campaign.
8. Do nothing whatsoever to address outstanding concerns about the character, integrity, and judgment of the Partys front-runner.
9. Over-rely on the national media to set the political narrative for the campaign season, further alienating voters who want to vote for a candidate with vision.
10. Ignore the youth vote.
Argument for each point at the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/the-democrats-10-point-plan-lose-election_b_9605608.html
dchill
(38,516 posts)Doesn't it?
daleanime
(17,796 posts)PufPuf23
(8,813 posts)Recall Hillary Clinton started seemingly ahead in 2008 and the campaign harmed itself by negative campaigning.
I am so annoyed at the situation that my posts are more frequent and I am angry at Hillary Clinton, the DNC, many Clinton supporters and neo-liberals and neo-conservatives in general.
Some of my recent posts have been negative having posted in sex scandal threads (about Bill Clinton repeatedly flying by private jet to a private island as the guest and friend of Jeffery Epstein, the convicted sex criminal billionaire post-POTUS).
Hillary Clinton reminds me of Richard Nixon in policy and manner.
Hard to judge who is in more disarray, Democrats or GOP.
Good article.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)and volunteering their time because they don't want to be in the party that nominated all THAT
sorechasm
(631 posts)primaries so that they can openly put their weight behind their favored horse during the GE, having promoted the flawed opponent during the primaries. So therefore, it may well be deliberate by the 1%. The DLC are just pawns in that game.
This is hardly a far-fetched scenario after the 2008 crash by 'hedge' fund managers.
dchill
(38,516 posts)They hate us for our freedoms.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)And yes, it is very possible that Trump will be turned back by convention time. He's obviously peaked and media is bored of him.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Drink up!
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)Basically you have thousands of egos at all functional levels of the party apparatus and whatever meme they put out forms a sort of group think.
I don't think it's deliberate. It's just that no one knows how to deal with Bernie. Someone who is honest, speaks truth to power, doesn't have super PACs, isn't beholden to big lobbies...they are having a heck of a time getting their heads around that.
Plus, Bernie has been independent and is now running as a Democrat. That probably ruffled a few local feathers, too.
This fellow, for instance, is a well known Democratic party functionary in a western state...
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... and getting their cut.
If they lose some people will be more desperate to donate for next time around.
If Bernie gets the nomination a lot of the party apparatus will be looking for new jobs.
And even the few who don't have to get new jobs will be playing under a whole new rule book of responsible governance to the people.
That's the nightmare they face.
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)Imagine looking at responsible, non-corrupt governance as a nightmare and there you have what a twisted, corrupt society we've become.
We've been in serious trouble since our politicians quit doing the right thing in favor of doing the thing that will please lobbies and so get them elected yet again.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)It gives me no great pleasure to admit I'm right.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)PufPuf23
(8,813 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)And here I always assumed it was the candidate with millions of more votes. Silly me.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Of course she's the most unpopular. She's consistently polled dammingly high unfavorability. In fact, of all presidential contenders, she ONLY beats trump!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)a general election where independents and Republicans get to vote too.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)since that point was explicitly dealing with the general election.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)I wondered if it was HA Goodman when I read #3 but normally, Goodman is blindly oblivious and wildly optimistic.
I do suspect they're going for someone like Kasich or a candidate parachuted in rather than Trump or Cruz. The GOP are ruthless. They'll do whatever to get power.
All they need is a half decent candidate and I think they'll clean Hillary's clock. Independents will not support Hillary if they have a reasonable alternative. (although we Dems may not agree, someone like Kasich is approaching semi-sane compared to the other two GOP candidates).
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)7. Reject Sanders' call for a fifty-state general-election campaign.
Maybe that wouldn't elicit a giant laugh if Bernie had run a fifty-state PRIMARY campaign. His people have shown to be completely comfortable writing off an entire region of the country when it suits them.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)The GE is a face-off against the GoP... not an attempt to see who's going to represent this Democratic party.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,426 posts)Those are some pretty wild statements IMHO, especially the one about how it's (somehow) clear that Trump won't be the nominee.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)unless he gets to the delegate number before the republican convention. But I fully expect (or perhaps, hoping) that should he come close, he will mount a third party run.
And that would not make me angry.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,426 posts)Did I miss something? And I agree. I would not get angry if he does a third-party run. In fact, I would pull out the popcorn!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,426 posts)Thanks for explaining. I'm honestly not sure if I'd rather have Trump or Cruz (or somebody else). I don't want any of them, of course, but I would imagine that, when put up against Hillary (or Bernie), I can't imagine that many people (including Republicans) would seriously entertain voting for Trump, resulting in a (likely) electoral blowout for the GOP. The Republicans would be more likely to unify around a more *conventional* candidate like Cruz or Kasich, both of whom could present a more formidable challenge (though Hillary or Bernie still win IMHO).
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1) cruz and trump succeed in getting Kasich kicked out of the race based on their "8 Primaries" rule.
2) Kasich's delegates split evenly between cruz and trump.
3) trump misses the majority number by less than 100. Cruz misses the number by 200+
4) No delegates move to trump or cruz.
5) the republicans jump trump and pick cruz (or, pick someone that hasn't been in the primary races).
6) trump's ego rules and he mounts a third party.
And, oh yeah ... Democrats and the left awake up to the horror that would be a republican win AND realize that if we work hard (down ticket), Democrats could flip the Senate and close in on the House; so, we kiss and make up and rather than depressing the less politically engaged with talk of how the parties are both the same and how corrupt Democrats are.
(Regarding the last point ... Hey! I DID say, it's my G/E fantasy. )
LonePirate
(13,429 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)particularly, that HRC will unite the republican party, more so than the "angry, tax raising, grow government bigger, SOCIALIST" Sanders will? That's what the republicans will label Bernie (using his own words) to unite their party.
Or, that the Democratic Party is under-estimating Cruz or Kasich?
The OP just seems to be more sour grapes.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)She's well recognized...and a known quantity. She's had ages to build all kinds of enemies in Washington... including conservatives. You ask if I really believe she will unite republicans, if she's the nominee, like it were even in question. It's not. Republicans view her they way we view bush Jr... and that's not even hyperbole.
Not sure how many conservatives you've talked to, but all the ones I've talked to universally hate Hillary... I've heard more than a few say they'd vote for trump before her...and, except for a few, they don't like trump much better. They'd rather vote for Bernie over trump any day.
If you think that's just sour grapes, you're more welcome to stick your head in the sand and pretend there's no sky.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)if I really believe HRC will unite the republican party, more so than the "angry, tax raising, grow government bigger, SOCIALIST" Sanders will?
Robbins
(5,066 posts)they hate clinton because she is woman.then there is myth of clinton they have sold to their base and public.
Bernie is seen as honest guy.he even gets crossover support.there is anti-establishment snetment.if gop can deny trump
nomination only thing saving them would be clinton as nominee.kasich would beat her.even cruz has shot at beating her.
Inless trump preveils at convention Clinton likely loses in november.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Maybe, for the moment. Should Sanders get the Democratic nomination, the gop establishment will turn they guns on him ... for the first time in his political career.
And, tarnishing his image, won't be that difficult ... From his calling himself a socialist (they will leave off the Democratic part) to his admissions that he will raise taxes on everyone to his calls to expand government ... the campaign hit commercials write themselves and will be using his own words.
None of those things are endearing to independents or cross-over voters.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)after years of calling obama a socialist to no good results that has lost meaning.
Independents are voting for him.your assuming they are all stupid and heard nothing.
Your supscribing to faulty notion that only clinton can beat republicans.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)No it hasn't ... and it won't be republicans calling Sanders a socialist ... it will be Sanders calling Sanders a socialist.
No. I'm not.
No. I'm not.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)They all hate Hillary.
And they are all intrigued by Bernie Sanders and ask me for more information.
I even got them to agree that education and health care are the two things that a government should provide its people.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Hillary is OVERWELMINGLY unpopular. Republicans hate her. Given the choice, most republicans would happily take Bernie over Hillary. After all... her unpopularity is second only to trump. You do the math.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #26)
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riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)But I'm not blind to her deep flaws and how much the Republicans hate her.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Bernie Sanders said Democrats need a 50-state strategy and that the party needs to radically transform itself to broaden its appeal.
"The Democratic Party needs major reform," the presidential contender said during Sunday night's NBC/YouTube debate in Charleston, S.C.
"To those of you in South Carolina, you know what, in Mississippi we need a 50-state strategy so that people in South Carolina and Mississippi can get the resources they need."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Though I do believe a 50 State strategy is in the works.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,426 posts)Great! I just remember how much griping (to put it mildly) there was here for so many years after Howard Dean's 50-state strategy put Democrats back in the majority but left us with several "Blue Dog" Democrats, most of whom were subsequently wiped out in 2010 and 2014 and replaced with Republican whackjobs.
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)I am hoping as much as anyone that the above - in bold - is true. That he won't be.
Please substantiate the above. I have not been following the R side of the primaries.
I may have missed something, and that information would be appreciated.
Thank you.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Which would lose the left, the Progressives, and the liberals.
This would result in a Hillary loss, IMO, because the GOP voters hate her anyway.
Those 300,000 new voters that won't be able to vote in Wisconsin? They are not going to vote for anyone, methinks, doubties they will vote for the candidate whose campaign's reaction is Bwahahahaha! All those college students not able to vote for Berne! They will not be voting for Hillary, either, then.
One thing that occurred to me, thinking about Kasich - he is, IMO, the perfect picture of a Third Way politician.
And when people have to choose between a fake Republican, and a real one - they will go for the real one.