cyanide and arsenic. So they deserve what ever we give them.

Frank and his finger pointing whining miss or ignore some key points in blaming Sanders supporters for the sorry state of the Democratic Party.




Many of those awful millenials were not old enough to vote in 2010 or 2014, for one thing.

The Democrats ran tepid uninspiring campaigns in the off years....Leading many independents to say "Why Bother?"

Obama did not work hard enough to keep and broadened his own coalition...And he pissed off many with his concessions to the GOP and Corporate Centrists....

Off year elections often tend to give more power to the party not in the WH.

If more of them had turned out, it might also have made a difference. Maybe if more AA's who are so loyal to Obama and are now loyal to Clinton had turned out.....

That's the problem. Scapegoating all supporters of a candidate as if they are a monolithic mass is bogus and misleading.

goes on to say.

"...and then are angry at Democrats because we haven’t been able to produce public policies they like. They contributed to the public policy problems and now they are blaming other people for their own failure to vote, and then it’s like, “Oh look at this terrible system,” but it was their voting behavior that brought it about. "

He is tarring all of the Sanders supporters as made up of lazy malcontents who are only turning out because of Bernie.

How about he just STFU with his snarky attacks on Sanders supporters, and focus on why he thinks Clinton would make a good president?

And he answered.

Barney has always been a nasty piece of work, personalitywise. He's just following true to form.

A shitty self-righteous surrogate....especially if Clinton is trying to position herself against the self-righteous assholes she claims Sanders supporters are.

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did not. Barney and others who want to push a false narrative make sweeping declarations about those years which are not at all applicable to the entire country. 2010 Oregon midterms had the highest midterm turnout since the 1980's, Democrats won and all that stuff. Washington State had good turnout, Democrats elected. California, well that's the year that they went full Democratic in the State House and elected Jerry Brown.
So that's an entire region that did not have low turnout or bad results. This makes it hard to argue that it's 'all those liberals' who did not vote. Who won Washington? Bernie. He'll also win Oregon and CA is the big peach. He'll have a big old bite.

Where was turnout low in those years? The more conservative States, the losses were among more conservative electorates and candidates.

That was not a national thing, the low turnout, it was regional. Barney is full of crap. Is his assertion that the entire West Coast is just smarter than other places and that here even the crazy pot legalizing left has the sense to vote? What exactly explains the entire West in Barney's paradigm?

Oh, wait....

Precisely the revolving door between government and the financial industry that causes people to have no faith in government to address their issues. And so they don't vote. And he seriously wonders why??? Fucking bubble-dwellers...

The kind Bernie and Elizabeth Warren support.

Fuck this corporate lobby sellout asshole.

not on NPR or PBS. Ever since Dodd-Frank I've had nothing but visceral loathing for this thief. And the media patsies who continue to cover up for his duplicity.

there's not enough time for me to compile it to sufficiently summarize this morning.

And posters can degrade me for this if they want to, but I grew up in an abusive house and a lot of this rhetoric, the lies and wagging fingers are too close to home. I cannot in good conscience vote for that on a national level.

that nasty alliance of knuckle-draggers and locusts could never have achieved what it did without the help of the majority of us, whether it was through active, stupid support or negligence by not voting.

Barney Frank's about 1000 times more knowledgeable than the typical political junkie out here, deeply knowledgeable with a great understanding. I always listen when he talks, but all honest people know this to be true:

to usurp the wealth and power of We the People to a ruling class? The extreme-conservative Kochs and others allied with them, including John Kasich, have been covertly undermining the functions of our nation for decades but their secret organization grew tremendously in size when we elected a liberal Democrat, and black, president in 2008.

Their first meeting after his inauguration was attended by over 700 megamillionaires and billionaires. Creation and destructive direction of the "Tea Party" was one of their projects.

Politico:

The political machine that Charles Koch launched a dozen years ago in a Chicago hotel conference room with 16 other rich conservatives has exploded in size and influence in the past few elections and now eclipses the official GOP in key areas.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/koch-brothers-network-gop-david-charles-217124#ixzz44s1IaFg3

decades they have been loading American minds from every possible direction with their anti-government and anti-Democrat, and absolutely anti-Hillary, poison. Filling your mind with their thoughts in fact, has been their #1 priority. Getting people elected to office has always been secondary to their goal for turning you.

"A Must Read: Jane Mayer’s ‘Dark Money’ Uncovers Hidden History of Billionaire Kochs
In her new book, the New Yorker writer considers the damage the Koch brothers' network has done to our democracy." http://billmoyers.com/story/a-must-read-jane-mayers-dark-money-uncovers-the-hidden-history-of-billionaires/

Actually, the Kochs are only some of the plotters who are explained in this remarkable and very well researched book. Btw, she writes for the New Yorker, and articles and interviews can be pulled up and read.

verbal ball carried up and down a field for your team.

It's about your life and what you'll leave your descendants, if you have any. The article at that link is really short. There are many better articles, but I chose it because it had Bill Moyers name on it and I hoped that might make a difference.

Beyond his "talking points"

One doesn't need to look any further beyond the The Dodd Frank bill, which set up his cronies and personal future quite nicely but is the ultimate knife in the gut scam of scams on the American people.

Yeah, go ahead and keep listening to his lies.

barney frank,member of the sellout club he's a joke.

George was telling Hillary about the time her State Department nixed a $200,000 speaking fee for Bill with a shady "oil and gas" company that they couldn't find any information on. So George got the invitation, picked up the $200,000, and it turned out the people who paid him were operating a Ponzi scheme and defrauding their investors.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-is-cracking-down-on-a-68-million-ponzi-scheme-aimed-at-wealthy-chinese-2015-7

<The SEC said Yang spuriously told her alleged victims their investments would earn from 20 to 30 per cent annually. In addition to diverting new investors' funds to make it appear that earlier investors were earning profits, Yang is accused of siphoning off US$2.4 million in funds via her brother's company in Hong Kong. The money was supposed to have been used to buy an oil rig.

Instead, the commission alleged, Yang used the money to buy a 5,600-square-foot luxury home in Fremont, California, and supposedly spent investors' funds on household services, Yang's personal taxes and a vacation in Hawaii.>

(Democrat and Republican) are in denial. I posted a link to the biggest suck up email of all time from Clinton consigliere Lanny Davis to Hillary (when she was Secretary of State) begging her for a nice letter to or interview with a magazine reporter who was doing a cover story on the new law office he was opening. He talked about his political friends who had already agreed to it, including Bill Clinton (of course), John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Mike McCurry and even Karl Rove!

magnificent things to be accomplished.

this wee issue some States have. It's not national, it's regional. The more liberal States do not have these issues, thus it is not the more liberal voters who abstain from voting. Liberal States have higher turnout. Conservative States send Republicans to Congress.

other States, most of those States had great turnout in the midterms Frank cites as well. So it sounds like he's calling out a very specific set of States with more conservative electorates.......

Blaming the voters for not liking people who refuse to serve their interests is a sure recipe for electoral failure.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1643793

As I read this graph, the strategy of turning the Democratic Party into an economic clone of the Republican Party has not been successful.
Is there any reason to think that returning to the values enshrined in the policies of FDR would not strengthen the party?

The Republicans took control of both Houses of Congress for the first time in 40 years. The Contract with America and speaker Newt Gingrich. Hillary screwing up the healthcare initiative by doing it in a secretive manner was the definitive sign of Clinton incompetence that the Republicans ran against in that election, along with the middle tax class cut Bill promised in the 1992 campaign that turned into a tax increase.

... of course people are going to sit out elections.

But anyway, no matter how much we vote, they will still deliver for the lobbyists.

Any excuse will do.

It's time to bern away the old system.

Many of those newbies to the voting ranks could have come out in 2014 and 2010. Some of the millennials were old enough to vote in 2014 but they were too busy texting about Kim and Beyonce.

who was responsible for the bisexual prostitution ring being run out of your apartment? Looks to me like you have very poor judgment or...something.