2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Ad uses Right Wing Attack on Sanders about "Free Stuff"
She is digging a big grave attacking millennials this way.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)nwnatural
(16 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Unless the audience is a complete bunch of MORONS I think this is going to backfire with a BIGGGGG STINK! Does anyone get the impression that Hillary is "USING" ethnicity as a lever in this ad? I would be ashamed to run something like this and I guarantee that Bernie would NEVER run a pile like this!
THIS ad reeks of DESPERATION!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)votesparks
(1,288 posts)she's energizing it like never before...against her and the greed hog establishment.
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Keep it up, Hillary!
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)It is naïve to expect something for free without a significant cost on the other end.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that said, the cost will be paid with certain trades in WS that will not affect the 401 K holders, just the day traders that tend to at times trade the same stock several times a day. This has been explained, but I understand you not getting it. It's not like CNN has bothered explaining it. though CNN-I has. Yup, my head hurts.
TM99
(8,352 posts)understand how Sanders plan involves real structural changes and actual fiscal policies that are not about the Republican meme of 'free stuff'.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)Just wanted to tell you that I think you're brave and very impressive to keep speaking out where there's so much pressure and hostility. It would've been hard for me to speak out against the crowd if I were a few years younger.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Another blatant lie and misrepresentation in GDP.
Can we cut the crap please?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The presentation may be more heavy handed, but the message is what she herself keep repeating -- "Abandon all hope ye who enter here."
Joob
(1,065 posts)in a month or two, she'll be offering the same thing to get votes
dcbuckeye
(79 posts)She should have run this ad 2 months ago to finally finish him off once and for all. Now she needs to run ads on telling everybody how much taxes are going to go up under all of his "free stuff" proposals.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Because I never seem to hear Hillary supporters discuss cutting corporate subsidies, or trimming the bloated military budget. Funny how that is.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)You might even leave a comment if you are so moved to...
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)No worries, Bernie's trolls are sure to have already hit that video to silence any alternate views.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)You claiming berniebro's are in the internets censoring other peoples videos?
TM99
(8,352 posts)and review the differences between commenting and censoring.
I am quite certain your education is lacking as you are conflating the two.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)gaming the system by stalking all of her videos and virtually all videos she is in to downvote them translates to a form of censorship in that it prevents others from seeing them. If engaging in an activity that prevents others from seeing other perspectives isn't censorship I don't know what is. I've heard there's a similar process at work on redditt. There's a whole brigade of Bernie fans online that stalk Clinton videos to downvote them so others don't see them. It's been the same for months.
TM99
(8,352 posts)You are suggesting it is a mass conspiracy and yet when Sanders supporters discuss the very obvious bias of DWS and the DNC towards Clinton, you dismiss us as conspiracy theorists.
The system is the system, as y'all say. Clinton supposedly dislikes CU but uses it to rake in millions for her campaign. So the Sanders supporters know and work the social media system better than Clinton supporters. Quit your whining about it and go do something about it. Y'all could down vote Sanders videos. Y'all could post in his Redditt forums.
But trying to claim that she is a victim and this is censorship is just spurious nonsense.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)not even bothering to watch them and downvoting them. I welcome other ideas and don't try to censor speech. You're hostile and not interested in conversation I'm moving on.
TM99
(8,352 posts)then it makes little sense to complain.
No one is censoring speech. If you actually acted like you understood that, it might be a conversation. As it stands, you are conflating terms irrationally.
Not use to being called out on silliness, eh?
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)you would lose the personal insults. Goodbye.
TM99
(8,352 posts)It is merely criticisms of your comments. If you do not want to risk getting replies that might upset your delicate sensibilities, you might not want to post on an open forum.
Gothmog
(145,475 posts)Sanders' plans for adopting his proposals depend on these new voters. Here is how Sanders thinks that he will be able to force the GOP to be reasonable http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/21/1483791/-Imagine-Bernie-Sanders-wins-the-White-House-Then-what
Thats a phrase Sanders uses often, but what does he mean by it? Sanders has said that if he wins the presidency, his victory will be accompanied by a huge increase in voter turnoutone that he thinks might end Republican control of Congress. But Sanders acknowledges that the House and Senate could, in spite of his best efforts, remain in GOP hands come next January.
Given that likelihood, Sanders offers an alternate means for achieving his political revolution. He says he knows that a Democratic president cant simply sit down and negotiate with Republican leaders and forge a series of compromises. Anyone who's observed the GOPs behavior over the course of Barack Obamas presidency would not dispute that, and in any event, no compromise with Republicans would ever lead to single-payer anyway.
So what then? How would a President Sanders get Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan to pass any of his big-ticket items? This is the model he proposes:
What we do is you put an issue before Congress, lets just use free tuition at public colleges and universities, and that vote is going to take place on November 8 ... whatever it may be. We tell millions and millions of people, young people and their parents, there is going to be a vote ... half the people dont know whats going on ... but we tell them when the vote is, maybe we welcome a million young people to Washington, D.C. to say hello to their members of Congress. Maybe we have the telephones and the e-mails flying all over the place so that everybody in America will know how their representative is voting. [...]
And then Republicans are going to have to make a decision. Then theyre going to have to make a decision. You know, when thousands of young people in their district are saying, You vote against this, youre out of your job, because we know whats going on. So this gets back to what a political revolution is about, is bringing people in touch with the Congress, not having that huge wall. Thats how you bring about change.
The rest of the DK article debunks that concept that Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell could be influenced by these new voters but we never get to this issue and Sanders himself admits that he will not bet elected without this revolution. So far we are not seeing any evidence of this revolution. Again, Sanders's whole campaign is based on this revolution and so it is appropriate to ask where these new voters are?
It is hard for me to take Sanders' proposals seriously including the ones you want to talk about unless and until we see some evidence of this revolution.
Again, where are these millions and millions of new voters?
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... and Bernie has received millions and millions of votes.
You've been sleeping since January.
Gothmog
(145,475 posts)No one has seen any evidence of the so-called Sanders revolution and Clinton iis leading Sanders by 2.5 million popular votes https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/sorry-bernie-sanders-there-is-zero-evidence-of-your-political-revolution-yet/
To succeed, Sanders might have to drive Americans who don't normally participate to the polls. Unfortunately for him, groups who usually do not vote did not turn out in unusually large numbers in New Hampshire, according to exit polling data.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
...As for Sanders, he credited his victory to turnout. "Because of a huge voter turnout -- and I say huge -- we won," he said in his speech declaring victory, dropping the "h" in "huge." "We harnessed the energy, and the excitement that the Democratic party will need to succeed in November."
In fact, Sanders won by persuading many habitual Democratic primary voters to support him. With 95 percent of precincts reporting their results as of Wednesday morning, just 241,000 ballots had been cast in the Democratic primary, fewer than the 268,000 projected by New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner last week. Nearly 289,000 voters cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary in 2008.
To be sure, the general election is still seven months away. Ordinary Americans might be paying little attention to the campaign at this point, and if Sanders wins the nomination, he'll have the help of the Democratic Party apparatus in registering new voters. The political revolution hasn't started, though, at least not yet.
Without this revolution, I am not sure how Sanders proposes to advance his unrealistic agenda
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)And wasn't 2008 a 3 person race versus a 2 person race in 2016... And you want to talk about who can't get the vote out? Wasn't Bernie's vote total one of the highest in the history of the NH primary?
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Human101948
(3,457 posts)Polls show that Hillary is steadily losing ground. He may not have enough time to overcome her name recognition but the fact that she can barely beat him does not bode well for the general election.
Gothmog
(145,475 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)How many of those popular votes are in states that the Democratic candidate will surely lose in November? What counts is winning states that will win electoral votes for the Democratic candidate. It also remains to be seen who will be the Republican candidate. The dynamics of the race will change if Trump does not get the nomination.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)I must have missed that.
Or what you are saying is that Hillary Clinton was unable to get an enthusiastic group of people out to match Bernie Sander's voters.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)It's been torn off and trampled in the dust. She and the other 3rd-wayers are Republicans
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)I like how they kept teasing her with the cash. Someone was probably saying "you need to promise me (to do something for us)"
zappaman
(20,606 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)not bad. Gentle too. "attack". Yeah, okay...
"you can promise me the moon, the stars, and the sun, but before you promise me anything show me what you have done."
yeah that's some harsh stuff...
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)a destroyed Libya with the words:
Here is what you have done?
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)How does your statement make this gentle rhyming ad an "attack"?
This is off topic and not an area I'm up on, but, it seems like you're saying that you preferred the dictator committing genocide on his people before the Libyans and the international community begged for our assistance to the instability they have now as they continue to transition. As for myself, I don't know enough about the subject to make those assessments. (My foreign policy knowledge is probably worse even than Bernie's...)
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)I would probably target things like his vote against amber alert or something, not do gentle rhyme advising people to be careful of empty promises by looking at what someone has actually managed to do... The point is this isn't an attack ad as the poster called it.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)She's been using the whole RW playbook on him so far.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)More insults to an audience that already detests her. An ad any Republican would be proud of.
Broward
(1,976 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)opponent during the GE?
They might like to have it.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)But you knew that already.
Nanjeanne
(4,973 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The Sanders Camp complaining about Right Wing Attacks!
I've well and truly seen it all. The lack of self-awareness is fucking breathtaking.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)The Bernie or Bust movement.
Hillary and Co earned everyone of the people that will not vote for her.
Instead of trying to win our votes they keep digging the hole deeper.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)I think most voters that see that, and aren't involved in politics are going to see
a) lots of negativity in an ad undirected at anyone specific
b) childish annoying poetry
c) very annoying imagery which could be the establishment taunting youth
and then Hillary's logo.
It just seems to bundle up negativity and then not give you a release point at all except for her own logo at the end. This is terrible.
It's so weird seeing the positive ads and messaging from Bernie's campaign. Even the ones that are supposedly negative are really just "here are some facts..."
Does anyone think this will help at all?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Which is fine...since only the spectacularly naive believed it, anyway.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)try again.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)If Bernie is not the nominee the Democratic Party is doomed.