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Hillary Ad uses Right Wing Attack on Sanders about "Free Stuff" (Original Post) GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 OP
She went full Republican. Never go full Republican. Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #1
Promise. FREE WAR nwnatural Apr 2016 #36
WOW! And The Voice? WOW! The WHOLE Ad IS A FRIGGING LIE! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #40
She's lost any hope of winning Millenials and is severely fracturing the progressive movement. berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #2
She's not fracturing the progressive movement votesparks Apr 2016 #16
Exactly. EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #52
I'm a millenial...and contrary to opinion here, I think and agree with this ad. anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #17
I hope you realize how ironic your user name is nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #23
It is more naive to not TM99 Apr 2016 #27
It's hard to stand up against the tide shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #55
That worked so well for Mitt Romney, NOT GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #3
Not a REAL advertisement. Agschmid Apr 2016 #4
Tracing back the link you are probably correct...But it's not very far removed from her message Armstead Apr 2016 #9
Well, just remember this ad because Joob Apr 2016 #5
FINALLY!! She's getting serious dcbuckeye Apr 2016 #6
And corporate welfare? Does that "free stuff" for the very wealthy bother you? Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #11
please go to youtube and rate this video Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #7
Bernie basically has a horde of censors that does that for him already. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #25
commenting is not censoring, and it's a pro hillary video Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #29
You may want to go back TM99 Apr 2016 #34
I think shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #54
This is ridiculous. TM99 Apr 2016 #57
I'm not going to spend my time seeking out Sanders videos shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #59
If you are not willing to do the same thing TM99 Apr 2016 #60
if you had wanted to have a real conversation with anyone shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #62
You see it as an insult. TM99 Apr 2016 #63
Imagine Bernie Sanders wins the White House. Then what? Gothmog Apr 2016 #8
NEWS FLASH: There is a primary going on... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #15
Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet Gothmog Apr 2016 #20
Wait... Didn't Hillary get less votes in 2016 than 2008? GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Apr 2016 #39
So unrealistic that he gets more popular day by day... Human101948 Apr 2016 #28
He trails Clinton by 2.5 million popular votes Gothmog Apr 2016 #38
Sounds good but not so significant when talking about the general election... Human101948 Apr 2016 #49
So you are saying that Hillary won the New Hampshire primary? DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #50
Oh boy. That's not going to go over well. Ash_F Apr 2016 #10
Who is responsible for this channel? /nt Ash_F Apr 2016 #12
The channel is called "Vote For Hillary" doesn't have any other information... nt GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #19
the mask isn't just slipping ibegurpard Apr 2016 #13
I don't have audio. Was that her getting paid by goldman saches? haha GummyBearz Apr 2016 #14
LOL polly7 Apr 2016 #30
This will go over well in Stockholm. n/t zappaman Apr 2016 #18
+a zillion rbrnmw Apr 2016 #37
Nice ad. shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #22
Should Bernie show the pictures of sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #32
that addresses what I said, oh wait, shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #56
if I were going to do an aggressive ad shadowandblossom Apr 2016 #61
Why wouldn't she be using RW attack pdsimdars Apr 2016 #24
What a tone deaf candidate and campaign BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #26
I'd expect nothing less from right-wing Hillary. Broward Apr 2016 #31
Will she donate this to her repug sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #33
Misrepresentation, this is not from the Clinton Campaign itsrobert Apr 2016 #35
And they say Bernie isn't a Democrat? Wow Hillary - way to bury the Dem Party. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #41
LOL alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #42
I think this is Hillary's best ad so far in this campaign season BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #43
That was priceless. jillan Apr 2016 #45
After watching this I don't want to hear another word about jillan Apr 2016 #44
Wait... You think this is a real Hillary ad? Agschmid Apr 2016 #51
How very fucking republican. Whoever did that is doing her no favors Autumn Apr 2016 #46
I know that's supposed to be attacking Bernie, but does it really? revbones Apr 2016 #47
She's not even pretending to be liberal any more. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #48
Another fact-free, issue-free ad from a fact-free, issue-free candidate! Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #53
The Dem Establishment has lost Millennials forever. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #58

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
40. WOW! And The Voice? WOW! The WHOLE Ad IS A FRIGGING LIE!
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:03 PM
Apr 2016
You want to talk about TONE? Going Negative?

Unless the audience is a complete bunch of MORONS I think this is going to backfire with a BIGGGGG STINK! Does anyone get the impression that Hillary is "USING" ethnicity as a lever in this ad? I would be ashamed to run something like this and I guarantee that Bernie would NEVER run a pile like this!


THIS ad reeks of DESPERATION!

votesparks

(1,288 posts)
16. She's not fracturing the progressive movement
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apr 2016

she's energizing it like never before...against her and the greed hog establishment.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
17. I'm a millenial...and contrary to opinion here, I think and agree with this ad.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

It is naïve to expect something for free without a significant cost on the other end.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
23. I hope you realize how ironic your user name is
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

that said, the cost will be paid with certain trades in WS that will not affect the 401 K holders, just the day traders that tend to at times trade the same stock several times a day. This has been explained, but I understand you not getting it. It's not like CNN has bothered explaining it. though CNN-I has. Yup, my head hurts.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
27. It is more naive to not
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:11 PM
Apr 2016

understand how Sanders plan involves real structural changes and actual fiscal policies that are not about the Republican meme of 'free stuff'.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
55. It's hard to stand up against the tide
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

Just wanted to tell you that I think you're brave and very impressive to keep speaking out where there's so much pressure and hostility. It would've been hard for me to speak out against the crowd if I were a few years younger.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. Tracing back the link you are probably correct...But it's not very far removed from her message
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:47 PM
Apr 2016

The presentation may be more heavy handed, but the message is what she herself keep repeating -- "Abandon all hope ye who enter here."

dcbuckeye

(79 posts)
6. FINALLY!! She's getting serious
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:43 PM
Apr 2016

She should have run this ad 2 months ago to finally finish him off once and for all. Now she needs to run ads on telling everybody how much taxes are going to go up under all of his "free stuff" proposals.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
11. And corporate welfare? Does that "free stuff" for the very wealthy bother you?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

Because I never seem to hear Hillary supporters discuss cutting corporate subsidies, or trimming the bloated military budget. Funny how that is.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
25. Bernie basically has a horde of censors that does that for him already.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

No worries, Bernie's trolls are sure to have already hit that video to silence any alternate views.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
29. commenting is not censoring, and it's a pro hillary video
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

You claiming berniebro's are in the internets censoring other peoples videos?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
34. You may want to go back
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

and review the differences between commenting and censoring.

I am quite certain your education is lacking as you are conflating the two.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
54. I think
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

gaming the system by stalking all of her videos and virtually all videos she is in to downvote them translates to a form of censorship in that it prevents others from seeing them. If engaging in an activity that prevents others from seeing other perspectives isn't censorship I don't know what is. I've heard there's a similar process at work on redditt. There's a whole brigade of Bernie fans online that stalk Clinton videos to downvote them so others don't see them. It's been the same for months.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
57. This is ridiculous.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

You are suggesting it is a mass conspiracy and yet when Sanders supporters discuss the very obvious bias of DWS and the DNC towards Clinton, you dismiss us as conspiracy theorists.

The system is the system, as y'all say. Clinton supposedly dislikes CU but uses it to rake in millions for her campaign. So the Sanders supporters know and work the social media system better than Clinton supporters. Quit your whining about it and go do something about it. Y'all could down vote Sanders videos. Y'all could post in his Redditt forums.

But trying to claim that she is a victim and this is censorship is just spurious nonsense.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
59. I'm not going to spend my time seeking out Sanders videos
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

not even bothering to watch them and downvoting them. I welcome other ideas and don't try to censor speech. You're hostile and not interested in conversation I'm moving on.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
60. If you are not willing to do the same thing
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

then it makes little sense to complain.

No one is censoring speech. If you actually acted like you understood that, it might be a conversation. As it stands, you are conflating terms irrationally.

Not use to being called out on silliness, eh?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
63. You see it as an insult.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:20 PM
Apr 2016

It is merely criticisms of your comments. If you do not want to risk getting replies that might upset your delicate sensibilities, you might not want to post on an open forum.

Gothmog

(145,475 posts)
8. Imagine Bernie Sanders wins the White House. Then what?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders' plans for adopting his proposals depend on these new voters. Here is how Sanders thinks that he will be able to force the GOP to be reasonable http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/21/1483791/-Imagine-Bernie-Sanders-wins-the-White-House-Then-what

Bernie Sanders has made some very big promises when it comes to his legislative priorities: He says he’ll make college free, pass a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United, and institute a generous single-payer national health insurance program. And when he’s asked how he’ll turn these promises into reality, he says that he and his supporters will help bring about a “political revolution.”

That’s a phrase Sanders uses often, but what does he mean by it? Sanders has said that if he wins the presidency, his victory will be accompanied by a “huge increase in voter turnout”—one that he thinks might end Republican control of Congress. But Sanders acknowledges that the House and Senate could, in spite of his best efforts, remain in GOP hands come next January.

Given that likelihood, Sanders offers an alternate means for achieving his political revolution. He says he knows that a Democratic president can’t simply “sit down and negotiate” with Republican leaders and forge a series of compromises. Anyone who's observed the GOP’s behavior over the course of Barack Obama’s presidency would not dispute that, and in any event, no compromise with Republicans would ever lead to single-payer anyway.

So what then? How would a President Sanders get Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan to pass any of his big-ticket items? This is the model he proposes:

What we do is you put an issue before Congress, let’s just use free tuition at public colleges and universities, and that vote is going to take place on November 8 ... whatever it may be. We tell millions and millions of people, young people and their parents, there is going to be a vote ... half the people don’t know what’s going on ... but we tell them when the vote is, maybe we welcome a million young people to Washington, D.C. to say hello to their members of Congress. Maybe we have the telephones and the e-mails flying all over the place so that everybody in America will know how their representative is voting. [...]

And then Republicans are going to have to make a decision. Then they’re going to have to make a decision. You know, when thousands of young people in their district are saying, “You vote against this, you’re out of your job, because we know what’s going on.” So this gets back to what a political revolution is about, is bringing people in touch with the Congress, not having that huge wall. That’s how you bring about change.

The rest of the DK article debunks that concept that Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell could be influenced by these new voters but we never get to this issue and Sanders himself admits that he will not bet elected without this revolution. So far we are not seeing any evidence of this revolution. Again, Sanders's whole campaign is based on this revolution and so it is appropriate to ask where these new voters are?

It is hard for me to take Sanders' proposals seriously including the ones you want to talk about unless and until we see some evidence of this revolution.

Again, where are these millions and millions of new voters?
 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
15. NEWS FLASH: There is a primary going on...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:05 PM
Apr 2016

... and Bernie has received millions and millions of votes.

You've been sleeping since January.

Gothmog

(145,475 posts)
20. Sorry, Bernie Sanders. There is zero evidence of your ‘political revolution’ yet
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:31 PM
Apr 2016

No one has seen any evidence of the so-called Sanders revolution and Clinton iis leading Sanders by 2.5 million popular votes https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/sorry-bernie-sanders-there-is-zero-evidence-of-your-political-revolution-yet/

Bernie Sanders recorded a resounding victory in New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday. He crushed his rival, Hillary Clinton, with no less than 60 percent of the vote. If Sanders hopes not only to win the election but to achieve his ambitious progressive agenda, though, that might not be enough.

To succeed, Sanders might have to drive Americans who don't normally participate to the polls. Unfortunately for him, groups who usually do not vote did not turn out in unusually large numbers in New Hampshire, according to exit polling data.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

...As for Sanders, he credited his victory to turnout. "Because of a huge voter turnout -- and I say huge -- we won," he said in his speech declaring victory, dropping the "h" in "huge." "We harnessed the energy, and the excitement that the Democratic party will need to succeed in November."

In fact, Sanders won by persuading many habitual Democratic primary voters to support him. With 95 percent of precincts reporting their results as of Wednesday morning, just 241,000 ballots had been cast in the Democratic primary, fewer than the 268,000 projected by New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner last week. Nearly 289,000 voters cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary in 2008.

To be sure, the general election is still seven months away. Ordinary Americans might be paying little attention to the campaign at this point, and if Sanders wins the nomination, he'll have the help of the Democratic Party apparatus in registering new voters. The political revolution hasn't started, though, at least not yet.

Without this revolution, I am not sure how Sanders proposes to advance his unrealistic agenda
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
21. Wait... Didn't Hillary get less votes in 2016 than 2008?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:33 PM
Apr 2016

And wasn't 2008 a 3 person race versus a 2 person race in 2016... And you want to talk about who can't get the vote out? Wasn't Bernie's vote total one of the highest in the history of the NH primary?

Response to GeorgiaPeanuts (Reply #21)

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
28. So unrealistic that he gets more popular day by day...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:12 PM
Apr 2016

Polls show that Hillary is steadily losing ground. He may not have enough time to overcome her name recognition but the fact that she can barely beat him does not bode well for the general election.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
49. Sounds good but not so significant when talking about the general election...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:23 AM
Apr 2016

How many of those popular votes are in states that the Democratic candidate will surely lose in November? What counts is winning states that will win electoral votes for the Democratic candidate. It also remains to be seen who will be the Republican candidate. The dynamics of the race will change if Trump does not get the nomination.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
50. So you are saying that Hillary won the New Hampshire primary?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

I must have missed that.

Or what you are saying is that Hillary Clinton was unable to get an enthusiastic group of people out to match Bernie Sander's voters.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
13. the mask isn't just slipping
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

It's been torn off and trampled in the dust. She and the other 3rd-wayers are Republicans

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
14. I don't have audio. Was that her getting paid by goldman saches? haha
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

I like how they kept teasing her with the cash. Someone was probably saying "you need to promise me (to do something for us)"

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
22. Nice ad.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

not bad. Gentle too. "attack". Yeah, okay...

"you can promise me the moon, the stars, and the sun, but before you promise me anything show me what you have done."

yeah that's some harsh stuff...

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
56. that addresses what I said, oh wait,
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

How does your statement make this gentle rhyming ad an "attack"?


This is off topic and not an area I'm up on, but, it seems like you're saying that you preferred the dictator committing genocide on his people before the Libyans and the international community begged for our assistance to the instability they have now as they continue to transition. As for myself, I don't know enough about the subject to make those assessments. (My foreign policy knowledge is probably worse even than Bernie's...)

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
61. if I were going to do an aggressive ad
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

I would probably target things like his vote against amber alert or something, not do gentle rhyme advising people to be careful of empty promises by looking at what someone has actually managed to do... The point is this isn't an attack ad as the poster called it.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
26. What a tone deaf candidate and campaign
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

More insults to an audience that already detests her. An ad any Republican would be proud of.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
42. LOL
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

The Sanders Camp complaining about Right Wing Attacks!

I've well and truly seen it all. The lack of self-awareness is fucking breathtaking.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
44. After watching this I don't want to hear another word about
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:11 PM
Apr 2016

The Bernie or Bust movement.

Hillary and Co earned everyone of the people that will not vote for her.
Instead of trying to win our votes they keep digging the hole deeper.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
47. I know that's supposed to be attacking Bernie, but does it really?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:27 PM
Apr 2016

I think most voters that see that, and aren't involved in politics are going to see

a) lots of negativity in an ad undirected at anyone specific
b) childish annoying poetry
c) very annoying imagery which could be the establishment taunting youth

and then Hillary's logo.

It just seems to bundle up negativity and then not give you a release point at all except for her own logo at the end. This is terrible.

It's so weird seeing the positive ads and messaging from Bernie's campaign. Even the ones that are supposedly negative are really just "here are some facts..."

Does anyone think this will help at all?


 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
48. She's not even pretending to be liberal any more.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:29 PM
Apr 2016

Which is fine...since only the spectacularly naive believed it, anyway.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
58. The Dem Establishment has lost Millennials forever.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

If Bernie is not the nominee the Democratic Party is doomed.

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