...for anyone claiming to want "party unity," etc.

Perhaps we are headed for a four-party system eventually, anyway....

Bernie's supporters, en block, were referred to by Bill Clinton as the Left-Wing Tea Party. The derision and scorn coming from the Hillary wing of the party are palpable. Anyone expecting us to "fall in line" after a Hillary victory is in for a massive disappointment.

The derision and scorn towards us has been brewing for many years....

Obama himself scolded progressives

when I file Independent which I am very close to being forced to do. I will not support everything I've been against for decades. War, Trade pacts, etc.

What you cite arguably supports my claim. The OP pins the schism on Hillary and suggests she and her supporters are alienating, not growing the Democratic Party.

Of course this is a prediction. But, like I said, it doesn't bode well for the Party.

Means nothing, I've never voted for a Republican.

People are encouraged to register independent so they can participate in the other party's primary if their's is uncontested.

If she is President in 2017, Dems across the country will rally behind the newly elected President just like the parties do each time they have a new President. If she is not elected President, she will leave the public stage and will begin the fade into obscurity as the party and/or the country will have moved on.

do you want me to find it or do know the bloodshed by heart now? Hardly indicative of a Party coming together, in fact, indicates nothing could be further from the truth. Again, another argument that supports my claim.

It's no freakin' wonder people are abandoning both parties in droves. Both brands only speak to the elite 1% . They have no desire to hear grass roots or any dissenting voices to their corporatist agendas.

The party gained House and Senate seats in 2008 and 2012. The same will be true in 2016 regard of which Dem is elected. To claim otherwise is just stupid and oblivious to all facts. There will be no talk of congressional losses in off-years come January and it certainly will dampen the joy of a new Dem president.

back to you.

If a Dem is elected President this year, your dreams of massive Democratic disunity if it is Hillary are never, ever going to happen. Neither Dem candidate will have a divided Dem party in January no matter how stoked you are for there to be protests and hatred.

Those losses - which will be pared this year - will not impact Dem unity whatsoever in January. It is not going to happen.

This isn't complicated but a little moreso than your denial of data and stance that they'll rally because I say so.

Trying to cite off year losses as a reason that will prevent Dems from rallying behind a newly elected Dem president is ABSURD. I have no idea what will happen in November 2018 but I guarantee you a huge supermajority of Dems will unify around whichever Dem is President in January 2017 - even the alleged Millenials which you think she has alienated.

Nope! It's pretty clear.

Oh, right, it's still too much work for the people that want one to actually go out and make one.

When someone joins a party, they are no longer an independent,
even if they join something called the "Independent Party".

It's also specious to call oneself an independent when regularly voting for the same political party over and over, as a majority of independents do.

My point is that people who claim to be outside of a two-party system really are not, because they don't go and form alternate parties with enough viability to be a challenge to the two-party system. An America based on parliamentary coalition-building won't spring fully-formed from the ether. It has to be built, over multiple election cycles, by people.

...see my post #18.

"It's also specious to call oneself an independent when regularly voting for the same political party over and over, as a majority of independents do."

I am registered as unaffiliated and I don't remember ever voting for a repuke so I think I can speak to this personally. I happen to agree with the ideology of the Democrats wholeheartedly. I'm not going to run through the whole list, but it's rare when I think that the Democrats are wrong and I've always voted on the 'D' side of the ticket.

However, I despise the DNC. I hate the corruption and incompetence of this out-of-date machine and what we're seeing now, which is almost open cynicism towards the election process. I will never send them money, I will never support someone like DWS and I can't foresee that ever changing.

That doesn't mean I'm not a good liberal. I'll also confess that if forced to do so in order to vote in primaries, I'd register as a Democrat. Thankfully in CA I don't have to do that.

I think it's just fine to believe in the issues that a party does but not how the party operates. That's why I think so many people are registered as independents or unaffiliated.

This was the first election I voted in though, and it was for Bernie Sanders.
I must admit I don't think the values of the Democratic Party are mine because I don't like what I've seen
from the DNC, and really I don't like money in politics.

I don't like how people choose to ignore how much money people give to Clinton and assume there's no agenda.
And I honestly can't see myself thinking this is right, this is what I want to vote for.
I highly doubt I'll be a Democrat after this election and will look at third parties more closely because
this is ridiculous, to me, and from what I've seen, It's not to most Democrats.

That's my honest opinion, those are my values. I'm not even talking policies yet because those are the issues that bother me the most.

(all emphases my own)

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first go around. You should have learned your lesson from your vitriolic mudslinging in 2008.

Since y'all are so blinded by your devotion to her, did you ever pause to ask yourselves: are we converting people or turning them against us? Such an easy question. How many minds have you changed? Hundreds? Nope, an infinitismally small number that approaches 0. And what could you reasonably have expected, hundreds? Nope, next to none.

But rather than taking the high road, you went into the gutter, just like 2008. Then y'all have the audacity to tell Sanders supporters to knock it off.

You made your bed, now you have to sleep in it.