2016 Postmortem

Skwmom

(12,685 posts) Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:55 PM Apr 2016

A key factor that many people are missing in the whole "bringing the party together" assessment.

Obama was able to bring the party together in 2008 because he didn't have any baggage.

Clinton, unlike Obama in 2008 has a HUGE amount of baggage and because of her actions disliked by many. While Clinton supporters might have been upset with what happened in the 2008 primary, they didn't have any problem with Obama prior to 2008. Thus it was easier to come together.

Well this isn't 2008 and Hillary Clinton is no Barack Obama. People tried to shout down Susan Sarandon for telling the truth about what she is hearing from people. All that does is silence the message but it doesn't make the message any less true.

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A key factor that many people are missing in the whole "bringing the party together" assessment. (Original Post) Skwmom Apr 2016 OP

everyone has baggage unless they're living in a cave somewhere geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1

The Clintons have a mountain of baggage, not just some baggage like everyone. Skwmom Apr 2016 #3

Democrats strongly prefer her to Bernie Sanders, go figure nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4

Unfortunately, you need to fold independents into that Democratic tent in November. Skwmom Apr 2016 #12

Your point being? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #14

That c. 60% of 30% of the electorate isn't going to get Princess Weathervane elected. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #18

and the dirtier they campaign, the stronger the Bernie or Bust movement becomes. Merryland Apr 2016 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15

I'll enjoy rubbing your nose in that on November 9th. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #21

Most of those who voted for Obama would have happily voted for Clinton. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #2

It's only one prayer Fumesucker Apr 2016 #5

From Messiah to "Dissapointment" in 10 minutes. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #7

Nope, those who thought Obama was "Messiah" still do Fumesucker Apr 2016 #9

Obama also had the youth vote. They were a big factor in his nomination. demmiblue Apr 2016 #8

She told them to do research! She doesn't understand, the more research they do the less likely Skwmom Apr 2016 #13

right--Obama was entirely unknown, the famous "blank screen," and charismatic MisterP Apr 2016 #10

Most Hillary supporters want the candidate that the party nominates to win awake Apr 2016 #11

Let us not forget the opponent (R) during 08. sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #16

DU will certainly have a difficult time getting together. PADemD Apr 2016 #17

My Ignore list was at 5 for years. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #19

I have noone on ignore TheDormouse Apr 2016 #20

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

1. everyone has baggage unless they're living in a cave somewhere

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:57 PM

Apr 2016

the party will come together. That does not mean that Naderite nitwits like Sarandon will be with the program, but you can't win them all.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

3. The Clintons have a mountain of baggage, not just some baggage like everyone.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:00 PM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

4. Democrats strongly prefer her to Bernie Sanders, go figure nt

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:01 PM

Apr 2016

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

12. Unfortunately, you need to fold independents into that Democratic tent in November.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:18 PM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

14. Your point being? nt

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:24 PM

Apr 2016

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)

18. That c. 60% of 30% of the electorate isn't going to get Princess Weathervane elected.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 04:06 PM

Apr 2016

Her point couldn't have been more obvious...but Hillary acolytes can be a bit...special.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)

6. and the dirtier they campaign, the stronger the Bernie or Bust movement becomes.

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:02 PM

Apr 2016

Response to Merryland (Reply #6)

geek tragedy This message was self-deleted by its author.

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)

21. I'll enjoy rubbing your nose in that on November 9th.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 04:23 PM

Apr 2016

I wonder if you have even the slightest idea how many people have hardened their position against Hillary precisely because of asshole statements like that by her supporters. That would require both objective self-assessment and and honesty...so I'll not get my hopes up.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)

2. Most of those who voted for Obama would have happily voted for Clinton.

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 02:59 PM

Apr 2016

Ironically, the folks who are the most anti-Hillary on DU these days are many of the same folks who became "very disappointed" with Obama about 10 minutes after he took the oath of office.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)

5. It's only one prayer

Reply to JoePhilly (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:01 PM

Apr 2016

By a homophobic hate preacher.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)

7. From Messiah to "Dissapointment" in 10 minutes.

Reply to Fumesucker (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:03 PM

Apr 2016

Bernie would do no better.

Many of his angriest supporters would turn on him after his first compromise.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)

9. Nope, those who thought Obama was "Messiah" still do

Reply to JoePhilly (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:11 PM

Apr 2016

I for one know that compromise is necessary in politics but where you begin compromising from in the first place makes a great deal of difference.

All of life is politics, we are constantly negotiating and renegotiating the terms our lives with the others we contact, it's not some black art that only a few know.

demmiblue

(36,875 posts)

8. Obama also had the youth vote. They were a big factor in his nomination.

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:08 PM

Apr 2016

Hillary, and her supporters, are alienating this voting block. Not wise.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

13. She told them to do research! She doesn't understand, the more research they do the less likely

Reply to demmiblue (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:19 PM

Apr 2016

they are to support her.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)

10. right--Obama was entirely unknown, the famous "blank screen," and charismatic

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:12 PM

Apr 2016

awake

(3,226 posts)

11. Most Hillary supporters want the candidate that the party nominates to win

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:12 PM

Apr 2016

So I would think that they will come together behind Bernie once he wins the nomination in June

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)

16. Let us not forget the opponent (R) during 08.

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:28 PM

Apr 2016

McCain & "silly Sarah played a role in this as well.

Clinton is divisive within her own party much much
more than Obama ever was.

Already during the wintertime it became clear that
about 12 - 15% of registered Dems refused to go
with her.

Add to that the fact that only 30% of registered voters
are Dems, you will get a final of 26 - 28% of voters
for her.

Who would call that a strong unified and effective party?

PADemD

(4,482 posts)

17. DU will certainly have a difficult time getting together.

Reply to Skwmom (Original post)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:56 PM

Apr 2016

The Hillary Group has over 700 on ignore, and I have many on ignore that will probably stay there after the convention.

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)

19. My Ignore list was at 5 for years.

Reply to PADemD (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 04:10 PM

Apr 2016

I un-Trashed GD: P about two months ago, and it's sitting at about 90 right now. Almost all Hillary acolytes who have no clue how to behave...

Kiss and make up after the election? Not a fucking chance...

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)

20. I have noone on ignore

Reply to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 4, 2016, 04:13 PM

Apr 2016

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