Oops. Never mind.

Even you know that's nuts.

...

Even though Bernie isn't.

That unlike the so-called "fact checkers" you list, someone did the actual research at this obscure website, called the senate website, where all the facts as layed out by Greenpeace (not Bernie btw) were verified ... NPR, WaPo, and the NYT should be ashamed of themselves for the pityful job the did at attempting to cover for Hillary.

WE ARE NOT STUPID.

He finally made one so obvious that even a Hillary hating Newspaper called him out.

believing it is factual and newsworthy?

Sanders never made the claim. He simply agreed to the valid and factually proven claim provided by GreanPeace analysts when Clinton attacked his campaign instead of answering the activists questions and challenge.

Why are you lying now?

to just jump in and make a non-sequitor.

Go away please.

and case of deluded projection than this one.

Hillary supporters need to let this one the fuck go. Prolonging the agony by stringing this out is a self-inflicted wound.

It dings your candidate. We all get that, but there is no need to turn it into a prolonged train wreck.

What on earth are you thinking? If you mess up and acknowledge that you messed up then move on to something else, it goes away a lot quicker.

This should not be the hill, no pun intended, that Hillary chooses to die on, nor should her supporters encourage it. It benefits nobody and harms the Democratic party.

Even conservatives realize thecsystem is corrupt and that the narrow purview of direct donations is a sham.

that I cannot believe people are clinging to this line of argument. Hell, we all do dumb things, say dumb things, and politicians are in the spotlight more than everybody else when they do them, but decent politicians know when to shut the hell up and let things rest.

Nobody is right 100% of the time, and to try to craft yourself as right 100% of the time is a fool's errand.

Some if you are either naive or so cynical you are willing to lie to perpetuate corruption.

EVERYONE knows that the campaign finance system is regularly abused and ignored by Pacs, Superpacs, bundlers and all other kinds of cute tricks to get around the purpose of those laws.

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. It is not debatable. If it were not true, K Street would be a footpath, and lobbyists would have to find honest work.

why should he stop now?

I'm shocked, shocked that there's gambling going on

They have a bit of a following there.

Sanders is a politician, he's not the bloody Messiah.

Not all lies are deliberate. He might not be lying, he might be wrong.

Not seen any evidence of that.

I know you don't know what the hell you're talking about on this issue any more than I know what is going on day to day in UK politics. And I know I'm done wasting time dealing with you.

and what Americans know about the outside World. It's all down to the amount of television and news coverage. If you knew what you were talking about you would have something to back it up. People like you are the reason Sanders is behind Clinton.

Since she's been remaking herself into him over the campaign cycle, maybe he's trying to return the compliment?

I heard even Howard Dean (who has endorsed her) said she got money from them.
You should be able to figure this out on your own instead of peddling this nonsense.

His supporters bought a bunch of snake oil and somehow it's everyone else's fault that they got conned. Maybe they should go sue Tad Devine and get some of the money back, considering how much of it Devine has siphoned off the Sanders campaign.

He has been one of the very few politicians who actually gives a shit about the people. You can disagree with what he is proposing, but it's not a schtick. He doesn't flip flop when the wind changes course like others in this race because he's confident in what he has believed in all his life.

Yes, his whole persona is a lie. It's a carefully cultivated "radical" brand, including the rumpled suits and moron's haircut. His time in Congress is a bust, with very little to show for it.

And it's a mark against him that his ideas don't evolve with the time period around him. Times change, people change, society changes. It's not the fucking 1960s any more, but you wouldn't know it listening to that con artist.

he has done. My lone GOP friend is a veteran and can't say enough good things about what Bernie has done for veterans. There's a clinic about 4 miles from my house that wouldn't be there if it wasn't for Bernie. I think that's the legislation he's most proud of, but he's done a whole lot more. You're obviously more interested in denigrating him which probably indicates you're on a paid mission.

than I am.

...goes full Rovian.

Pathetic.

The New York Times disagree with Sanders on the lobbyist bundling, “Greenpeace also looked at contributions to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign that were donated or bundled by lobbyists who represent the fossil fuel industry, which amounted to about $1.5 million, according to the organization. But that figure still is a small slice of Mrs. Clinton’s fundraising, and it includes lobbyists who represent clients in a range of industries in addition to fossil fuel companies.”

{Actually, Per Greenpeace:
"All told, the campaign to elect Hillary Clinton for president in 2016 has received more than $4.5 million from lobbyists, bundlers, and large donors connected the fossil fuel industry."}


An NPR fact check of the claims found, “The Center for Responsive Politics, parsing Federal Election Commission reports, finds that workers in the oil and gas industries have given Clinton $307,561 so far — compared to, say, $21 million from the securities and investment industry, or $14.4 million from lawyers and law firms. Put another way, the oil and gas money is two-tenths of 1 percent of Clinton’s $159.9 million overall fundraising. It roughly equals the amount Sanders raised every 16 hours in the first quarter of 2016.”

The Washington Post’s fact check found that the Sanders campaign is exaggerating the amount of the donations, “The Sanders campaign is exaggerating the contributions that Clinton has received from the oil and gas industry. In the context of her overall campaign, the contributions are hardly significant. It’s especially misleading to count all of the funds raised by lobbyists with multiple clients as money “given” by the fossil-fuel industry.”


So, the numbers MAY be a bit off, but everyone agrees she gets million and million of dollars from LOBBYISTS, of various sorts.

Per Clinton:
"Hillary Clinton told supporters that lobbyists should be exposed and publicly called out.
"Maybe use social media? Maybe make a concerted effort to really call these people out all the time, get some social pressure on them, get people to know their names,"

Seems all the poutrage is worrying about the wrong thing.

Sid

NPR, The Washington Post and The New York Times anyway?

They're propaganda tools of the 1%.

...you've used plenty of fertilizer, so it may grow after all.