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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:07 AM Apr 2016

Why Are Sanders, Dems Attacking Hillary with Same ‘Stupidity’ as GOP?

James Carville had quite a lot to say on MSNBC tonight about the increasingly bitter fight amongst Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders.

Carville, a longtime Clinton ally and supporter, told Chris Hayes he’s utterly vexed by how Democrats could look at fracturing of the GOP along with the successes under the last two Democratic presidents––Bill Clinton and Barack Obama––and think, “Let’s nominate somebody that’s not even a Democrat.”

Hayes offered the argument that people are backing Sanders in the name of sending a message about the corrupt system.

Carville said a lot of this is ridiculous and argued that Clinton has put out “very detailed plans” on a great number of issues. When asked about Clinton’s unfavorables, he said, “The media and the Republican party and certain people in the Democratic party have just gone on and piled on all of this stupidity which never amounts to anything.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/james-carville-why-are-sanders-dems-attacking-hillary-with-same-stupidity-as-gop/
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Why Are Sanders, Dems Attacking Hillary with Same ‘Stupidity’ as GOP? (Original Post) SecularMotion Apr 2016 OP
The voters are mostly white males who are scared of ceding authority to the others and Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #1
Yeah, let's just pretend that Sanders' supporters don't include 70% of millennial women. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #2
Probably just third wave feminists hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #4
Millennials of Color solidly for Clinton uponit7771 Apr 2016 #10
57% versus 43% - still more than 2 out of every 5 going for Sanders Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #15
Oh those white males and their wives. gordianot Apr 2016 #7
Yes, take me for instance... Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #20
Cornell West has aliented more voters of m Sanders than some poster on GDP could think of uponit7771 Apr 2016 #34
Carville is correct. An Independent Socialist that crashed our Party and has not only attacked Trust Buster Apr 2016 #3
funny how much support he is getting though Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #9
If the Democratic party hadn't gone "third way" Bernie would not be running Red Oak Apr 2016 #83
+1. And then on top of all that nonsense, we have to put up with the whining about how the man with CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #12
Thatz funny.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #18
Laugh all you wish. The DNC will take measures to prevent this sort of thing in the future. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #24
I'm sure DWS will try.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #25
The DNC will put an end to this Trojan horse nonsense regardless of who the chairman is. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #26
Trojan horse?? disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #28
And they will end up having to deal with a third party candidacy Armstead Apr 2016 #48
There's a reason Sanders registered Democrat for this candidacy. He gets to use the infrastructure Trust Buster Apr 2016 #57
No independents "of note" ran because Sanders is running Armstead Apr 2016 #60
Sanders didn't run as an Independent for a reason. Wake up. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #61
You seem to think people don't know his pragmatic side of it for Sanders Armstead Apr 2016 #63
Sanders is not a "True Democrat" Gwhittey Apr 2016 #74
That's the opposite of what they were trying to say Armstead Apr 2016 #75
Probation. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #84
Can someone actually stomach 5 years of third way corporate democrats? timmymoff Apr 2016 #70
CARVILLE IS ANOTHER ESTABLISHMENT SHILL! HE MAKES HIS MONEY PUSHING HIS FOLKSY BRAND OF PROPAGANDA CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #5
yeah, he's a 3rd way bullshit artist, plus his wife's politics are horrible Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #11
Bingo-Bango... disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #19
YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!!!11!!! N/T JTFrog Apr 2016 #78
They are not TheFarseer Apr 2016 #6
Thanks for putting this so succinctly hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #13
those saying the "attacks" ibegurpard Apr 2016 #22
Exactly. Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #35
Carville once said "It's the economy stupid."...Too bad he has joined the stupids Armstead Apr 2016 #49
If she can't take it from people who will probably vote for her Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #8
I'd like to see Bernie sit through 13 hours of Republican Congressional Inquisition Loki Apr 2016 #30
she couldn't hold her anger for 30 seconds against the green peace lady Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #32
If someone lied about me, I wouldn't either. Loki Apr 2016 #33
the GOP didn't lie about her and Bengahzi? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #36
Congressmen are her social equals, random citizens on the street not so much Fumesucker Apr 2016 #40
ah, good point Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #43
We can't have an angry woman, can we? athena Apr 2016 #52
Oh great. Sexism charge... Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #53
Hillary demonstrated traits of a pathological liar ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #37
Thats a lie that is promoted by the GOP Loki Apr 2016 #46
I'm purposely calling out a liar for being a liar. Democrat or otherwise. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #79
I'm comforted to know that you are so well trained in psychiatric diagnosis. Loki Apr 2016 #86
The way Bernie and his followers trash Hillary has turned me off completely to Sanders. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #14
Projection: it doesn't always require light. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #16
I agree. When I see Sanders on television, my blood boils. I've come to dislike him that much. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #17
But you'll totally vote for him if he wins the nomination, right? Fumesucker Apr 2016 #41
anything less than voting for the Dem would be disastrous, right? Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #44
Who will you vote for if it isn't Bernie? Loki Apr 2016 #47
probably Hillary... but I will see what the exact options are at that time Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #66
I've never voted for a Socialist in the past and will not in the future. Period. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #59
I turn the tv off when I see him because his negativity is too much. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #45
Awwwwww...If your own values are that weak, then go with your delicate sensitivities Armstead Apr 2016 #50
The way hillary has conducted herself timmymoff Apr 2016 #72
That's Ok. The way Hillary and her supporters not only condone lies LondonReign2 Apr 2016 #82
same was being said about hillary in 2008 when she and her team were letting lose beachbum bob Apr 2016 #21
Why is Hillary acting with same stupidity (and sleaziness) as GOP? GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #23
Why does Bernie Sanders refuse to support other Democrats running in races now? Loki Apr 2016 #27
People are directly donating to Berniecrat candidates. Next poutrage? GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #55
Name them please? Loki Apr 2016 #56
Since you are too lazy to Google for yourself, here's one example of Bernie's coat-tails candidates: GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #58
Partisan Hack - Partisan Talking Points cantbeserious Apr 2016 #29
Partisan Hack because he doesn't support your candidate? Loki Apr 2016 #51
A lot of people don't care about party labels; they just care about ideology. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #31
TRUTH ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #38
The dreaded "some say" gives Carville something to talk about. Orsino Apr 2016 #39
Carville has a much different idea of what constitues a "Democrat" than I do. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #42
something about not seeing the problem when you ARE the problem. elana i am Apr 2016 #54
The points of criticism from the Left are distinct from those from the Right. Maedhros Apr 2016 #62
"Carville, a longtime Clinton ally and supporter..." jmg257 Apr 2016 #64
Same reason as GOP rock Apr 2016 #65
Heat? Kitchen. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #67
I'd imagine that living with a GOP tool can make life seem vexing. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #68
KNR Thank you! Lucinda Apr 2016 #69
James Carville who works with Phil Gramm at UBS? Octafish Apr 2016 #71
I think you have the answer right in the title of your OP. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2016 #73
united bank of SWITZERLAND says what? elehhhhna Apr 2016 #76
The blindly ignorant leading each other. It is clear neither have a clue why people support Bernie. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #77
Oooh nice, Carville. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #80
Translation: Hillary attacking Sanders with the same stupidly AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #81
A James Carville sighting! jonestonesusa Apr 2016 #85

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
1. The voters are mostly white males who are scared of ceding authority to the others and Sanders
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:13 AM
Apr 2016

... speaks to their economic boogyman and points to an "other" like Hillary as someone who've they've had to share their economic security with ?!

Sanders isn't serious about "revolution", he seldom has specifics on how to get his platform done and openly admits that "we'll see" when it comes to helping down ballot dems

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
2. Yeah, let's just pretend that Sanders' supporters don't include 70% of millennial women.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:16 AM
Apr 2016

We all know that women under 35 are just a figment of the imagination, surely?

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
15. 57% versus 43% - still more than 2 out of every 5 going for Sanders
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

and that's not even including the figures from Northern / Western states, where all people of colour (including the millennial ones) are way less conservative than the southern Democrats.

gordianot

(15,243 posts)
7. Oh those white males and their wives.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:35 AM
Apr 2016

Read this sometime in detail: Executive order 13526. It was not written by a white male and deals well with the idea of a shadow government. It is not a motivator for Sanders. The author won at least 2 elections and is a Constitutional Lawyer this undercurrent problem is not yet finished or resolved. Someday the truth may be known and the team of rivals falls short of expectations. There should be some kick ass memoirs some day.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
20. Yes, take me for instance...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:17 AM
Apr 2016

I knocked on doors for Obama in 2008 and also insured people got to the polls on election day from the St. Louis neighborhoods so they could vote but yeah, I'm so afraid of the "other" that Hillary supposedly is. Pretty sure you don't think before you vomit your generalizations on this board based on your posting history. Continue your plan to alienate anyone and everyone who might be tempted to vote for Hillary in the GE though.

I'd typically post an eye rolling emoticon here but you haven't even earned that.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
3. Carville is correct. An Independent Socialist that crashed our Party and has not only attacked
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:18 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary but has attacked the President and the Democratic Party. The DNC should require that future candidates be registered Democrats for at least 5 years before a candidate is allowed access to the infrastructure.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
9. funny how much support he is getting though
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:40 AM
Apr 2016

it is worth noting how a competitive primary helps build infrastructure for the GE.

Red Oak

(697 posts)
83. If the Democratic party hadn't gone "third way" Bernie would not be running
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016

The Clintons have only themselves (and their failed policies) to blame.

Odd how a war hawk, third wayer is seen as the legitimate "Democratic" candidate.

Sad.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
12. +1. And then on top of all that nonsense, we have to put up with the whining about how the man with
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:44 AM
Apr 2016

no allies can't seem to get any support. Well, having allies didn't seem to matter to Sanders for 26 years, when he was in Congress calling everyone just as corrupt as everyone else. He was the only paragon of virtue, apparently, but where did that get him? Nowhere, and with very little legislative accomplishments to his name.

He's openly bragged about using our party for media exposure and money. He should be an example to the Democratic Party of how NOT to allow an independent to run in a primary election under the Democratic banner. Even now, with the writing on the wall, he's not focusing on Trump or the Republicans, but escalating his attacks on Democrats. He deserves to lose.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
18. Thatz funny..
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:03 AM
Apr 2016

"Democrats for at least 5 years before a candidate is allowed access to the infrastructure"

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
28. Trojan horse??
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016

now your just being ridiculous.. I guess if any candidates dare challenge the centrist from the left they are deemed a "Trojan horse" now??.. your disdain for democracy is duly noted..

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
57. There's a reason Sanders registered Democrat for this candidacy. He gets to use the infrastructure
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

that was built and maintained with the help of special interest money. No Independents of note ran at all this year. That's not a coincidence genius.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
60. No independents "of note" ran because Sanders is running
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:57 AM
Apr 2016

The Green Party is running. If Sanders had decided to run for them.....hooo boy.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
63. You seem to think people don't know his pragmatic side of it for Sanders
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

I know a big part of his decision was media coverage and access to infrastructure.

SO WHAT? Is that a fucking crime? It's what all candidates do if they're serious.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
74. Sanders is not a "True Democrat"
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:15 PM
Apr 2016

He has not taking money from SuperPacs and has not vote "Yes" on the Corrupt bills allowing our country to be used as a means for 1% to get more of share of wealth than even during the Gilded Age. He voted no on useless wars. On Panama Trade deal because as it turns out it was just a tax evasion. And he is not for sale to highest bidder.I think that what person you replayed to was trying to say.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,194 posts)
84. Probation.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016

During which time, they will be closely monitored for signs of independent thought, latent FDRism, and populist tendencies. They will undergo training in all facets of being a Democrat, including formal marching in lockstep. donor sucking-up, and the proper forms of address to party superiors. At the end of their probationary period, they will participate in the formal swearing-in ceremony, the formal tattooing, and the presentation of their secret decoder ring. Unsuccessful candidates will be banished to jobs where they actually have to do some work, which usually results in their untimely deaths 94% of the time.

The actual steps to full membership in the club aren't much different from that "other" club with the mean kids in it, except they substitute branding for tattooing, and successful candidates are issued a dog whistle instead of a secret decoder ring. Also, their mortality rate for actually doing work approaches 100%.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
70. Can someone actually stomach 5 years of third way corporate democrats?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

Isn't that why only Sanders is bringing new blood to the party. Hillary's support is what she had anyway, her and the other third way dems painted themselves into a corner this time. America isn't buying the same old same old shit they used to put up with. So if you want a better democratic party I suggest you get rid of the third way mentality. That is the direction to go if you want to shrink the party. When in reality the powers that be do not care if it's an establishment dem or republicans.. as long as it is establishment. That way they can continue doing the exact same shit they have been doing for thirty years with the Clinton's help.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
5. CARVILLE IS ANOTHER ESTABLISHMENT SHILL! HE MAKES HIS MONEY PUSHING HIS FOLKSY BRAND OF PROPAGANDA
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:19 AM
Apr 2016

A TOP 1/10 OF 1%'ER HIMSELF! ALL BULLSHIT ALL THE TIME. I'VE MET HIM... HE IS TOTALLY IN THE TANK!

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
11. yeah, he's a 3rd way bullshit artist, plus his wife's politics are horrible
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016

No idea how he puts up with her if he's a real Dem.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
19. Bingo-Bango...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:06 AM
Apr 2016

Yeah, letz talk about REAL Dems Mr Carville.. shall we.. lol

he took sleeping with the enemy to another level.. but thatz fine w/ some around here as long as he is on their side..

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
6. They are not
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:21 AM
Apr 2016

Republican attacks are about something stupid like Benghazi or Monica or Hillary wears the pants in the family. Attacks from the left are about trade deals, foreign policy, corruption. Those who don't see the difference are being stupid on purpose.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
22. those saying the "attacks"
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:21 AM
Apr 2016

Are the same as those from Republicans aren't being stupid...they are lying.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
8. If she can't take it from people who will probably vote for her
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:37 AM
Apr 2016

How the hell is she going to take it from people who hate her.
Call the Waaambulance.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
30. I'd like to see Bernie sit through 13 hours of Republican Congressional Inquisition
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

and remain as cool as she was. That would really be the test now wouldn't it? He'd lose his cool within the first 10 minutes. He can't take it on the campaign trail when reporters or anyone asks him a hard question, he just deflects to his regular stump speech. Then makes his wife move away from him on the stage when he's celebrating a "win". Can't be upstaging the Bern.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
40. Congressmen are her social equals, random citizens on the street not so much
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

It's one thing when another member of the club confronts you, entirely another when it's a mere prole.

athena

(4,187 posts)
52. We can't have an angry woman, can we?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

It's even worse than an angry black man.

I've seen that video you're referring to. She was not even half as angry as Bernie was during the debates while she was speaking. An angry white man is a turn-on to so many people. A woman who is even slightly angry, on the other hand, is a turn-off, no matter how justifiable her anger is. What a double standard! That many of those who uphold this double-standard are women is simply sad.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
53. Oh great. Sexism charge...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary would be just as terrible if she was an albino with male genitalia.
Your soap box outrage is wasted. I'm not your "Bernie Bro" or whatever meme The Hillary Campaign inserted into your mind. Locate a clue.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
37. Hillary demonstrated traits of a pathological liar
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

during the Benghazi hearings. Bernie is not a pathological liar so stands to reason he probably would lose his cool before Hillary would. She was in her element.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
46. Thats a lie that is promoted by the GOP
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

And you are purposefully spreading lies on this Democratic site.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
79. I'm purposely calling out a liar for being a liar. Democrat or otherwise.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:49 PM
Apr 2016

The truth hurts when it hits home.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
86. I'm comforted to know that you are so well trained in psychiatric diagnosis.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:30 PM
Apr 2016

I think calling someone a "pathological liar" would require some kind of medical training or you are just repeating a smear.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
14. The way Bernie and his followers trash Hillary has turned me off completely to Sanders.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:50 AM
Apr 2016

I don't trust or like Sanders anymore. His negativity towards Hillary has turned me off big time.

And I am getting sick and tired of the canonization of Bernie Sanders. I like Hillary but i sure as hell do not worship her or think she is a saint.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
66. probably Hillary... but I will see what the exact options are at that time
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

I have ALWAYS voted Dem.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
72. The way hillary has conducted herself
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:07 PM
Apr 2016

with more flip flops than a prison shower, I can't vote for her. And don't much care for her third way corporate dem supporters.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
82. That's Ok. The way Hillary and her supporters not only condone lies
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

that outright cheer for them has turned me off completely to Clinton.

I don't trust or like Hillary anymore. Her constant lies and warmongers have turned turned me off big time.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
21. same was being said about hillary in 2008 when she and her team were letting lose
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

against Obama....its a primary so its no big deal.....and it to tell you the truth....obama was made into a better candidate for the general election because of it.....same here....hillary is being battle toughened to deal with the onslaught in November and will be no big deal for her to do...

Loki

(3,825 posts)
27. Why does Bernie Sanders refuse to support other Democrats running in races now?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016

I call that pretty "sleazy" and petty, if we are going to start name calling.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
51. Partisan Hack because he doesn't support your candidate?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

I like the idea that he is on our side, the Democratic side. Brock started on the wrong side, but albeit he saw the "light" and I'm glad for it. He has been an avid supporter and someone who goes after the GOP smear machine relentlessly. Changing your mind and self-realization doesn't seem to be a trait Bernie followers seem put any value in. Sorry that he doesn't support your candidate, but others do. I don't call them partisan hacks because they do, but childish insults seems to be the game plan. I reserve those for the true idiots, Republicans.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
31. A lot of people don't care about party labels; they just care about ideology.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

When a party starts to deviate from the voter's ideology, they drop the party like a sack of bricks. (And well they should.)

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
39. The dreaded "some say" gives Carville something to talk about.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

Somehow he doesn't get around to actually equating attacks he says are the same, nor can he quantify them.

Semantically indistinguishable from "someone was mean on the Internet," and not worth our notice.

tldr; Carville wants you to vote for Clinton.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
42. Carville has a much different idea of what constitues a "Democrat" than I do.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:51 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie "yes", Hillary "not so much".

elana i am

(814 posts)
54. something about not seeing the problem when you ARE the problem.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

or you can't change someone who doesn't see an issue in their actions.

yo carville, clinton and dnc... you ARE the problem.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
62. The points of criticism from the Left are distinct from those from the Right.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

I would think that would be obvious, but I've seen a pattern over the last seven years or so in which authoritarian Democrats interpret any criticism of their leaders as "right wing attacks." It lets them avoid having to think critically.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
71. James Carville who works with Phil Gramm at UBS?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:00 PM
Apr 2016

Along with Phil and James are Bill and W in the "Wealth Management" department.



UBS Wealth Management is a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
76. united bank of SWITZERLAND says what?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

Who do they want? A reeep? But hrc will be fine too? Oh then fyck yeah I'm in

grntuscarora

(1,249 posts)
80. Oooh nice, Carville.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:54 PM
Apr 2016

Call Bernie supporters stupid. Way to win us over for the general that you overconfidently seem so sure of winning.

HRC and her shills don't have much in the way of "people skills", that's for damn sure.

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