2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Are Sanders, Dems Attacking Hillary with Same ‘Stupidity’ as GOP?
Carville, a longtime Clinton ally and supporter, told Chris Hayes hes utterly vexed by how Democrats could look at fracturing of the GOP along with the successes under the last two Democratic presidentsBill Clinton and Barack Obamaand think, Lets nominate somebody thats not even a Democrat.
Hayes offered the argument that people are backing Sanders in the name of sending a message about the corrupt system.
Carville said a lot of this is ridiculous and argued that Clinton has put out very detailed plans on a great number of issues. When asked about Clintons unfavorables, he said, The media and the Republican party and certain people in the Democratic party have just gone on and piled on all of this stupidity which never amounts to anything.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/james-carville-why-are-sanders-dems-attacking-hillary-with-same-stupidity-as-gop/
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... speaks to their economic boogyman and points to an "other" like Hillary as someone who've they've had to share their economic security with ?!
Sanders isn't serious about "revolution", he seldom has specifics on how to get his platform done and openly admits that "we'll see" when it comes to helping down ballot dems
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)We all know that women under 35 are just a figment of the imagination, surely?
hereforthevoting
(241 posts)LOL
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)and that's not even including the figures from Northern / Western states, where all people of colour (including the millennial ones) are way less conservative than the southern Democrats.
gordianot
(15,243 posts)Read this sometime in detail: Executive order 13526. It was not written by a white male and deals well with the idea of a shadow government. It is not a motivator for Sanders. The author won at least 2 elections and is a Constitutional Lawyer this undercurrent problem is not yet finished or resolved. Someday the truth may be known and the team of rivals falls short of expectations. There should be some kick ass memoirs some day.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)I knocked on doors for Obama in 2008 and also insured people got to the polls on election day from the St. Louis neighborhoods so they could vote but yeah, I'm so afraid of the "other" that Hillary supposedly is. Pretty sure you don't think before you vomit your generalizations on this board based on your posting history. Continue your plan to alienate anyone and everyone who might be tempted to vote for Hillary in the GE though.
I'd typically post an eye rolling emoticon here but you haven't even earned that.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Hillary but has attacked the President and the Democratic Party. The DNC should require that future candidates be registered Democrats for at least 5 years before a candidate is allowed access to the infrastructure.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)it is worth noting how a competitive primary helps build infrastructure for the GE.
Red Oak
(697 posts)The Clintons have only themselves (and their failed policies) to blame.
Odd how a war hawk, third wayer is seen as the legitimate "Democratic" candidate.
Sad.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)no allies can't seem to get any support. Well, having allies didn't seem to matter to Sanders for 26 years, when he was in Congress calling everyone just as corrupt as everyone else. He was the only paragon of virtue, apparently, but where did that get him? Nowhere, and with very little legislative accomplishments to his name.
He's openly bragged about using our party for media exposure and money. He should be an example to the Democratic Party of how NOT to allow an independent to run in a primary election under the Democratic banner. Even now, with the writing on the wall, he's not focusing on Trump or the Republicans, but escalating his attacks on Democrats. He deserves to lose.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)"Democrats for at least 5 years before a candidate is allowed access to the infrastructure"
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)but, the plan is to dump her incompetent ass.. ASAP...
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)now your just being ridiculous.. I guess if any candidates dare challenge the centrist from the left they are deemed a "Trojan horse" now??.. your disdain for democracy is duly noted..
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sheer genius
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)that was built and maintained with the help of special interest money. No Independents of note ran at all this year. That's not a coincidence genius.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The Green Party is running. If Sanders had decided to run for them.....hooo boy.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I know a big part of his decision was media coverage and access to infrastructure.
SO WHAT? Is that a fucking crime? It's what all candidates do if they're serious.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)He has not taking money from SuperPacs and has not vote "Yes" on the Corrupt bills allowing our country to be used as a means for 1% to get more of share of wealth than even during the Gilded Age. He voted no on useless wars. On Panama Trade deal because as it turns out it was just a tax evasion. And he is not for sale to highest bidder.I think that what person you replayed to was trying to say.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)We've discussed before
Buns_of_Fire
(17,194 posts)During which time, they will be closely monitored for signs of independent thought, latent FDRism, and populist tendencies. They will undergo training in all facets of being a Democrat, including formal marching in lockstep. donor sucking-up, and the proper forms of address to party superiors. At the end of their probationary period, they will participate in the formal swearing-in ceremony, the formal tattooing, and the presentation of their secret decoder ring. Unsuccessful candidates will be banished to jobs where they actually have to do some work, which usually results in their untimely deaths 94% of the time.
The actual steps to full membership in the club aren't much different from that "other" club with the mean kids in it, except they substitute branding for tattooing, and successful candidates are issued a dog whistle instead of a secret decoder ring. Also, their mortality rate for actually doing work approaches 100%.
timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Isn't that why only Sanders is bringing new blood to the party. Hillary's support is what she had anyway, her and the other third way dems painted themselves into a corner this time. America isn't buying the same old same old shit they used to put up with. So if you want a better democratic party I suggest you get rid of the third way mentality. That is the direction to go if you want to shrink the party. When in reality the powers that be do not care if it's an establishment dem or republicans.. as long as it is establishment. That way they can continue doing the exact same shit they have been doing for thirty years with the Clinton's help.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)A TOP 1/10 OF 1%'ER HIMSELF! ALL BULLSHIT ALL THE TIME. I'VE MET HIM... HE IS TOTALLY IN THE TANK!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)No idea how he puts up with her if he's a real Dem.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Yeah, letz talk about REAL Dems Mr Carville.. shall we.. lol
he took sleeping with the enemy to another level.. but thatz fine w/ some around here as long as he is on their side..
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)Republican attacks are about something stupid like Benghazi or Monica or Hillary wears the pants in the family. Attacks from the left are about trade deals, foreign policy, corruption. Those who don't see the difference are being stupid on purpose.
hereforthevoting
(241 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Are the same as those from Republicans aren't being stupid...they are lying.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)How the hell is she going to take it from people who hate her.
Call the Waaambulance.
Loki
(3,825 posts)and remain as cool as she was. That would really be the test now wouldn't it? He'd lose his cool within the first 10 minutes. He can't take it on the campaign trail when reporters or anyone asks him a hard question, he just deflects to his regular stump speech. Then makes his wife move away from him on the stage when he's celebrating a "win". Can't be upstaging the Bern.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts).
Loki
(3,825 posts)I guess you could, right?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)why does HRC lose it on the campaign trail so much?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)It's one thing when another member of the club confronts you, entirely another when it's a mere prole.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)It's even worse than an angry black man.
I've seen that video you're referring to. She was not even half as angry as Bernie was during the debates while she was speaking. An angry white man is a turn-on to so many people. A woman who is even slightly angry, on the other hand, is a turn-off, no matter how justifiable her anger is. What a double standard! That many of those who uphold this double-standard are women is simply sad.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Hillary would be just as terrible if she was an albino with male genitalia.
Your soap box outrage is wasted. I'm not your "Bernie Bro" or whatever meme The Hillary Campaign inserted into your mind. Locate a clue.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)during the Benghazi hearings. Bernie is not a pathological liar so stands to reason he probably would lose his cool before Hillary would. She was in her element.
Loki
(3,825 posts)And you are purposefully spreading lies on this Democratic site.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)The truth hurts when it hits home.
Loki
(3,825 posts)I think calling someone a "pathological liar" would require some kind of medical training or you are just repeating a smear.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I don't trust or like Sanders anymore. His negativity towards Hillary has turned me off big time.
And I am getting sick and tired of the canonization of Bernie Sanders. I like Hillary but i sure as hell do not worship her or think she is a saint.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)Just asking?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I have ALWAYS voted Dem.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He is a one note wonder.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)with more flip flops than a prison shower, I can't vote for her. And don't much care for her third way corporate dem supporters.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)that outright cheer for them has turned me off completely to Clinton.
I don't trust or like Hillary anymore. Her constant lies and warmongers have turned turned me off big time.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)against Obama....its a primary so its no big deal.....and it to tell you the truth....obama was made into a better candidate for the general election because of it.....same here....hillary is being battle toughened to deal with the onslaught in November and will be no big deal for her to do...
GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)I call that pretty "sleazy" and petty, if we are going to start name calling.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Loki
(3,825 posts)I like the idea that he is on our side, the Democratic side. Brock started on the wrong side, but albeit he saw the "light" and I'm glad for it. He has been an avid supporter and someone who goes after the GOP smear machine relentlessly. Changing your mind and self-realization doesn't seem to be a trait Bernie followers seem put any value in. Sorry that he doesn't support your candidate, but others do. I don't call them partisan hacks because they do, but childish insults seems to be the game plan. I reserve those for the true idiots, Republicans.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)When a party starts to deviate from the voter's ideology, they drop the party like a sack of bricks. (And well they should.)
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Somehow he doesn't get around to actually equating attacks he says are the same, nor can he quantify them.
Semantically indistinguishable from "someone was mean on the Internet," and not worth our notice.
tldr; Carville wants you to vote for Clinton.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Bernie "yes", Hillary "not so much".
elana i am
(814 posts)or you can't change someone who doesn't see an issue in their actions.
yo carville, clinton and dnc... you ARE the problem.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I would think that would be obvious, but I've seen a pattern over the last seven years or so in which authoritarian Democrats interpret any criticism of their leaders as "right wing attacks." It lets them avoid having to think critically.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Was there a valid point to be made here?
rock
(13,218 posts)They got nothing. Same as GOP.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)But that's Carville's problem, not mine.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Along with Phil and James are Bill and W in the "Wealth Management" department.
UBS Wealth Management is a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:
President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool
SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html
http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Who do they want? A reeep? But hrc will be fine too? Oh then fyck yeah I'm in
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)Call Bernie supporters stupid. Way to win us over for the general that you overconfidently seem so sure of winning.
HRC and her shills don't have much in the way of "people skills", that's for damn sure.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)As the GOP
jonestonesusa
(880 posts)What year is this???