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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:29 AM Apr 2016

Oh Bernie.....

Four pinocchios for Bernie's "false claim" about his tax returns.

Excerpts from the Washington Post Fact Checker:

That’s about all the details available of Sanders’s federal income tax records. A 1996 article in the Vermont publication “Seven Days” detailed Sanders’s 1995 tax return, when he was mayor of Burlington. Sanders reported $125,843 in total income, according to the article, but it’s unclear how the outlet obtained this information. (It may have been released by Sanders’s mayoral campaign, but the current presidential campaign did not clarify when we asked.)

The publication’s scathing article notes that Sanders had dismissed the idea of charities in his early days as mayor — and that view was confirmed in his 1995 tax return, which showed Sanders donated just 1 percent of his income ($1,369) to charity. “Over the years, Bill Clinton’s taken bigger deductions for dropping his pre-owned Jockey shorts off at the Salvation Army. Can you say ‘Scrooge’?” wrote Peter Freyne, a legendary chronicler of Vermont politics.

While Sanders rejected Tapper’s assertion that the public has no access to all of Sanders’s tax returns, we have no evidence he has released any other federal income tax return than the Form 1040 from 2014. The campaign confirmed to The Washington Post that it did not release other tax returns prior to 2014.

But the campaign did not respond to further questions about this topic, including our questions about his decision to release only a Form 1040 rather than a full tax return — and why Sanders claimed he released other tax returns in the past.

Plainly put, Sanders has not released his full federal tax return. The little he has released was the Form 1040 in 2014, which is a summary of his tax filing that gives a snapshot of his finances — not what is considered a full tax return. The Sanders campaign confirmed to The Washington Post that it has not released other tax returns prior to 2014, which is a sharp contrast to Clinton’s voluminous release of her complete tax returns.

Tapper correctly questioned Sanders, asking why “nobody has seen them [federal tax returns] at all.” Yet Sanders interrupted Tapper to reject the notion, insisting: “That is not true. Of course, we have released them in the past.” But this answer is nothing remotely close to the little federal tax records he has released to the public.

Sanders is not required to release his tax filings, and he clearly decided to keep them confidential. That’s his choice. But it doesn’t excuse him from misleading the public to believe otherwise with this false claim.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/05/bernie-sanderss-false-claim-that-he-has-released-his-full-federal-tax-returns/
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Oh Bernie..... (Original Post) kstewart33 Apr 2016 OP
Seems like a real regimented system hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #1
And now that he's been caught lying twice in one week, he's lashing out at Clinton worse than ever CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #2
He easily and regularly lies. pandr32 Apr 2016 #7
Says pandr32 whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #19
Says awarded Pinocchios! pandr32 Apr 2016 #34
Gotta wonder why he's hiding his returns mcar Apr 2016 #3
Here's a good clue why bernie & jane might be keeping secrets from the campaign: misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #4
Right... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #8
How dare he accuse & damn others of having investments in Wall St Funds. misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #16
Uh no... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #18
It's like they have an entirely different brain structure whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #21
They must have. Weird. azmom Apr 2016 #30
Um not exactly. depends on who his target is. misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #22
Hmmm mcar Apr 2016 #10
LOL. OMG, BERNIE HAS A 401K!!!!!!!! mhatrw Apr 2016 #12
He's got more than that. And Jane has an offshore charitable family acct in the Caribbean. misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #20
Maybe you can get the Clinton Foundation on it! mhatrw Apr 2016 #24
Clintons have nothing to do with Jane's Off Shore "Charitable Trust" misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #27
Link the article that exposes Jane Sanders' Caribbean charitable trust. mhatrw Apr 2016 #28
Well I saw it , a few references actually. its there. misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #32
Pull a quote from ANY of those links that mentions a Carribbean charitable trust. mhatrw Apr 2016 #33
Haa..libel on DU?? I'm leaving work. Check in with you later misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #35
The one I would be interested in is Andy823 Apr 2016 #26
K&R. nt UtahLib Apr 2016 #5
This really undermines Bernie's appeal as a candidate. stopbush Apr 2016 #6
As a member of the Senate his financials are already disclosed every year. GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #9
The first link shows no records for Bernie Sanders stopbush Apr 2016 #14
... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #15
The financial disclosure is not the same as tax returns. DanTex Apr 2016 #17
His Senate financials are not his Tax Returns. misterhighwasted Apr 2016 #23
Bernie has a hard time telling the truth. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #11
Did y'all get the same projection memo? Avalux Apr 2016 #25
He's certainly been racking up the Pinnochios of late (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #13
KNR Thank you! Lucinda Apr 2016 #29
What is funny about all this Tax form crying from Clinton Supporters Gwhittey Apr 2016 #31
 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
2. And now that he's been caught lying twice in one week, he's lashing out at Clinton worse than ever
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

Basically going "Full Trump" lately at his rallies.

If he just accepted that he lost the primary and moved on to what he promised to do by working with Democrats against Republicans, he'd be fine. But he seems intent on burning his own brand to ground before the primary is over.

Dirty Bernie.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
4. Here's a good clue why bernie & jane might be keeping secrets from the campaign:
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016
https://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/assets.php?year=2014&cid=N00000528


Bernie Sanders (I-Vt) 

Assets 
Year: 2014 
Found 30 assets totaling $188,027 to $774,000 in 2014 
Organization Value 
CREF Bond Market Account $1,001 to $15,000 
CREF Global Equities Fund $15,001 to $50,000 
CREF Growth Account $15,001 to $50,000 
CREF Inflation-Linked Bond Account $0 to $1,000 
CREF Social Choice Account $1,001 to $15,000 
CREF Stock Account $15,001 to $50,000 
Defined Contribution Plan $0 to $1,000 
TIAA Access Mid-Cap Growth $1,001 to $15,000 
TIAA Real Estate Account $15,001 to $50,000 
TIAA Traditional Annuity $50,001 to $100,000 
Valic Aggressive Growth Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic Asset Alloc Fund $15,001 to $50,000 
Valic Core Equity Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic Div Value Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic Govt Securities Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic International Equities Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic International Govt Bond Fund $0 to $1,000 
Valic Mid Cap Index Fund $15,001 to $50,000 
Valic Mod Growth Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic Money Market Fund $0 to $1,000 
Valic Science & Tech Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic Small Cap Fund $16,002 to $65,000 
Valic Social Awareness Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic Socially Resp Fund $15,001 to $50,000 
Valic Stock Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Valic Strategic Bond Fund $1,001 to $15,000 
Vanguard Li Fgro $1,001 to $15,000 
Vanguard Li Fmod $1,001 to $15,000 
Vanguard Lt Inv Grade $1,001 to $15,000 
Vanguard Lt Trsry $1,001 to $15,000

If he released the tax filings, he's have no platform for his stump speech. What broadbrushed false narratives would he blanket his fans with against Hillary?

And we haven't even gotten to Jane's "charitable family trust fund" tucked away in the Caribbean.
How would that look when his mantra stump speech is beating up Hillary for Wall St, Goldman, & those darned Big Banks.
OOPS!
Look at this list..my my my.


 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
18. Uh no...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

He is attacking the greed and reckless behavior of Wall Street executives who nearly destroyed our economy...

He is attacking the idea that greedy executives, billionaires, and millionaires feel entitled to buy elections to ensure politicians continue to create a legal system that rewards them whether they win or lose.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
22. Um not exactly. depends on who his target is.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

Reading on through the link, it appears he's ok with some very big Wall St investors. And then some he's not.

Depends.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
20. He's got more than that. And Jane has an offshore charitable family acct in the Caribbean.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

Now why on earth would anyone open an offshore charitable trust in the Caribbean, oh..say..compared to supporting your local Credit Union?
(Google it)

Why?


So many curious questions still unanswered.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
24. Maybe you can get the Clinton Foundation on it!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016

Why not link up this bombshell information for us on the front page?

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
27. Clintons have nothing to do with Jane's Off Shore "Charitable Trust"
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

I questioned why they won't release their Tax docs to keep people from suspicions like, " Why does anyone open a "Charitable Trust " in the Caribbean when they claim to have so little wealth in the first place.
What would motivate them to go offshore rather than just put their meager wealth in a local credit ynion, in support of their cries against Big Banks.

Ya know, something just doesn't add up here.
Hmmmm

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
28. Link the article that exposes Jane Sanders' Caribbean charitable trust.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:54 PM
Apr 2016

I googled it, and I don't believe you that it exists.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
32. Well I saw it , a few references actually. its there.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:21 PM
Apr 2016

Seems these are all connected. Tsk tsk


http://www.wcax.com/story/30935632/group-calls-for-fraud-investigation-into-jane-sanders-land-deals

Group calls for fraud investigation into Jane Sanders' land dealsPosted: 
Jan 11, 2016 11:22 AM CSTUpdated: Jan 18, 2016 1:16 PM CST


http://freebeacon.com/politics/sanders-and-wife-steered-campaign-nonprofit-money-to-family-and-friends/

Sanders and Wife Steered Campaign, Nonprofit Money to Family and Friends

Public records show pattern of payments to Democratic presidential candidate’s inner circle


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/01/bernie-sanders-family-money

JANUARY 7, 2016 3:02 PM
Bernie Sanders Accused of Using Campaign Money to Benefit Family


Why wouldn't a couple who stumps against the ills of tax havens, Wall St, Big.Banks, fraud, bla blabla..not be upfront in revealing their own Tax Docs. Its hard to buy their claims against others when ya find out this stuff.
He's a politician. That's all I see anymore. Not a drop of purity. Disgusting.

The Clintons have made availible their tax docs for years.

And why the Caribbean Trust Acct?
Hmmm.

No need to respond. I've seen enough.
The hypocrisy is getting too thick as this campaign moves along.

EDIT:
There's more & I will link it when I'm home later tonight.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
33. Pull a quote from ANY of those links that mentions a Carribbean charitable trust.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

Otherwise, I find you guilty of libel.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
26. The one I would be interested in is
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016

Jane's "charitable family trust fund" tucked away in the Caribbean. Bernie needs to do some explaining about that one. If I had to guess what it is he doesn't want to let out to the public, it would be that one.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
6. This really undermines Bernie's appeal as a candidate.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

Sure, his supporters will point to technicalities (he doesn't have to release them) as an excuse, but the fact is that anyone running for president knows that you are expected to make a full financial disclosure at some point so voters know if you walk the walk or simply talk the talk.

Apparently, Sanders does not walk the walk. For one who is so quick to vilify others for their lack of transparency, it's ludicrous that he feels that he can get away with not disclosing his finances. It stands to reason that if Sanders feels the privilege to not follow the normal order of things that all of the people he rails against - Hillary, Wall Street, the banks, etc - also have the privilege to not reveal information, or to engage in any activty they will as long as it's not illegal, odious as said activity may be.

Were Sanders the actual pure candidate he portrays himself as, financial disclosure would be nothing but a yuge positive for him. It would give him the opportunity to show how really different he is from the others. The fact that he not only will not disclose but that he continues to lie and say that he has disclosed should give pause to even his most-zealous followers.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
15. ...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:40 PM
Apr 2016

The first link is for congress, because he was in Congress before the kept electronic versions of filings it probably has to be requested in another manner from the clerks office.

The second link is for the senate and it did have his disclosures there it matched up with the mutual funds another person copied into this topic

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
17. The financial disclosure is not the same as tax returns.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

It's getting a little weird that he doesn't just release his returns.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
23. His Senate financials are not his Tax Returns.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

Why has so much been moved to his wifes ownership.

He should just make them public so people stop suspecting him of questionable manipulations.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
31. What is funny about all this Tax form crying from Clinton Supporters
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

Is that in 2008 Clinton did not released any of her tax forms until end of April. And Sanders has released his 2014 ones. Which no matter what idiots say the 1040 he released is same 1040 same as every other politician has released .

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