2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumComey: No Rush To Finish FBI Investigation Of Clinton Before Democratic Convention
This is now a real risk to the GE. If anything negative comes out of the investigation, and seriously, it just needs to be negative, not and indictment, it will significantly hurt the chances of a Democratic White House for the next term should she win the nomination. There are a ton of implications, not the least of which is the SCOTUS.
Hillary is irresponsible to continue her campaign with this hanging over her head and she not only puts her own chances at risk, but the very lives of American people at stake.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/fbi-hillary-clinton-email-investigation-timeline-221565
FBI director: No rush to finish Clinton email probe before convention
Comey was speaking on Monday to representatives of local law-enforcement agencies in Buffalo, New York, when he was asked about the FBIs probe of the former secretary of states email system, according to the Niagara Gazette.
Making sure the inquiry is done "well" is more important than speed, he responded, even as the Democratic primary season draws to a close.
"The urgency is to do it well and promptly," Comey said. "And 'well' comes first" meaning that the investigation could still be ongoing during the Democratic National Convention in July, he said.
While Comey wouldnt divulge any details of the investigation, he did say that he is keeping close tabs on it to make sure we have the resources to do it competently."
mooseprime
(474 posts)if the situation were reversed?!
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(7,299 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Hillary people are really losing their grip on reality.
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(7,299 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)That's a simple, straightforward question. How about an answer?
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(7,299 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)You know you'd be screaming bloody murder.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The whole government was unprepared fro the digital age. Still is.
llugo1013
(3 posts)We're talking about 2000's not the 1980's
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)All of our government systems are being hacked. All of our email procedures are slip shod. Even the Secretary of Defense, Ashe Carter, just admitted to using private emails for official business. If we were to audit the private emails of Congressmen and women serving on committees with security clearance, I think you know what will be found. This is a systemic problem. That is what I think the FBI's conclusion will be.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I don't know if you are intentionally blowing smoke or if you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
What Clinton did was outrageous. So outrageous that it is unprecedented. No other high-level government official had an unsecured, personal server that was used as a primary means of transmitting classified emails.
The FBI has categorized 22 of Clinton's emails as "Top Secret", the highest level of classification--in addition to other emails that were deemed "classified."
President Obama didn't know about this private server.
To suggest that what Clinton did is somehow the product of confusion or some kind of widespread problem due to a complex, digital age--is complete bunk.
And stop saying that others have engaged in similar actions. Carter Ashe, Condi Rice and Colin Powell used their government-issued computers to send a few personal emails from their gmail/AOL accounts.
There is a huge difference between sending a personal email on a government computer--and routing ALL of your government emails through a personal, unsecured server.
Many Duer's really need to do their homework. Unless you enjoy sitting in the dark, completely ignorant about what your candidate of choice is up against. This is incredible serious. I feel that many of you will be in complete trauma mode as this crisis unfolds.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)You know that what Hillary Clinton is accused of doing, has NEVER happened.
Never, has a high-level government official set up a private, unsecured email server in their home.
NEVER.
If you think this happens everyday, then I am sure you will have NO PROBLEM listing the names and titles of those government officials who have also set up a private, unsecured email server in their home.
This has never happened. It's unprecedented.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)just a scant few months ago. Powell did it. Rice did it. You have to know the problem is endemic.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)There is a big difference between what Ashe, Powell and Rice did. Yes, they used their non-work email addresses (their Gmail and their AOL) to send personal emails.
That is one thing. Still with me?
What Clinton did, has NOTHING to do with that.
All of Clinton's correspondence was routed through an unsecured, private email server that was in her own home.
Condi, Powell and Ashe never did this. EVER.
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(7,299 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Have you not done any reading about this subject?
You seem to lack any sort of understanding of the basics.
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(7,299 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)But Colin Powell never sent email through a private server.
Hillary's private server is the reason she is being investigated by the FBI.
TM99
(8,352 posts)He is intentionally obtuse so he can stay on Team Clinton agenda point.
HughLefty1
(231 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)She's handled him quite nicely in the primaries. Thus the huge delegate lead. That's my opinion.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)He has won 15 states and the Democrats Abroad primary. He has bested her in fund raising 3 months in a row, March by $15 million dollars. He has broken every fund-raising and participation record on the books. He has had the largest rallies of any candidate, D or R. He has out raised every republican for months.
Sanders is the only candidate running with positive likability and trustworthy numbers.
He is the only candidate that beats all republican candidates and has been for months.
By no definition is Sanders a "fringe candidate".
frylock
(34,825 posts)should be of little comfort to you. In fact, if she were my candidate, now would be the time that I started shitting bricks.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)You're playing right into his hands, as this "leak" or "announcement" is nothing but an attempt to influence the Democratic primary. It's an empty threat that only a complete yokel would fall for, at this point.
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floriduck
(2,262 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)To do so would be an admission of misconduct.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Giving them a chance to bail on Hillary before it's too late.
frylock
(34,825 posts)If there was no evidence of wrongdoing, they could have this wrapped up post-haste.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)When the FBI says there is an investigation and does NOT say they are targeting Hillary for some wrongdoing, and then on a message board you hear hundreds of times a day how Hillary might be indicted, you have an agenda.
Not you, the collective you who pushes this nonsense.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The FBI report will probably say she violated the terms of the Security Oath she signed on 01/22/09. Will that be enough for you, or does there actually have to be an indictment for you agree she'll have to release her delegates?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I'd love to see it. I've heard from a number of people who are involved in that whole "security" career and they have their hair on fire about this. They say what she did was outrageous.
Where's your "don't worry, be happy" link about this?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)from non GOP sources, it is pretty clear she is not being indicted.
But that is my way of thinking, as a liberal.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)party, but I can see the forest, so to speak.
frylock
(34,825 posts)They were only effective when in opposition to the Republicans. Once they stopped doing that, they outlived their usefulness.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)It's the only explanation for why she is still in the race, under cloud of investigation for extremely serious national security crimes. She is willing to take the risk of being indicted and destroying the party's chances, handing the race to the GOP. Or maybe she thinks she can still win after being indicted, which might be even more odious.
dchill
(38,521 posts)If she can't win, they're taking us all down with them. They just DON'T CARE about ANYTHING or ANYONE ELSE!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)I mean if she can't be the nominee, what does the Democratic party mean. . . there are no other considerations for her if she can't be the nominee.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)if the only other option was an extremely corrupt corporatist warhawk
but it just so happens that we do have a better alternative to Clinton than that
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)She's confident she won't be charged. Curious how that one was left off the list here.
PufPuf23
(8,822 posts)to do any and everything to reconcile this issue ASAP so it is not hanging over the POTUS election cycle.
I am not a supporter of Hillary Clinton but I do not think that she will be indicted or pay any other negative cost because of the email investigation.
Expect to hear repeatedly from the GOP during the general election campaign about the FBI investigation of the email issue.
If Hillary Clinton is indicted or found responsible without punishment, the GOP wins POTUS if Clinton is our candidate.
jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)Nobody much cares about nor understands what was done wrong in this fake scandal. Nobody that is except those who see an opportunity to steal an election they couldn't win democratically. That will continue into the fall to be sure. And it will continue to be a non-issue to everyone except those who have already cast their lots with the opposition.
840high
(17,196 posts)people care. I read comments on other sites.
jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)Think of all the independent voters on the fence between her and Donald Trump who will make their decision based on the fact that she kept emails on a server in her basement...
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Does that mean sending your loser of a husband to suppress the votes at the polls? Democratically indeed. That's STEALING. This is LAW.
jcgoldie
(11,639 posts)That "loser of a husband" who happens to be one of the strongest advocates the democratic party has and oversaw a pretty damn nice stretch of American history must be really effective at voter suppression.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)They had Mukasey talking about it and the people who are seriously into the intelligence community are outraged at the things she did. You obviously haven't been listening.
Vinca
(50,302 posts)If she's indicted we're screwed. If she's not indicted they run from July to November on the idea it's an Obama cover-up. Why did she have to cause this self-inflicted wound?
dana_b
(11,546 posts)yeah, it's no wonder he is not worried about expediency.
xloadiex
(628 posts)should send up huge red flags to everyone over this.
dchill
(38,521 posts)It's INEVITABLE!
Tarc
(10,476 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This is the second time this has been delayed.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I can't believe Comey is being a partisan. I just can't. I know it looks like it from the outside (he's a republican so stringing this out is good for republicans if HRC is finally installed as the nominee).
But honestly, if its taking longer to investigate her "stuff", I can only think there's more there than they thought.
And Comey has never been anything other than a straight shooter. Why damage his reputation trying to throw an election? He'd go down as devil's spawn forever and I can't see him doing that at this late stage of his career....
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)1.- They decided to go partisan... ah internal fights are always fun. It is possible
2.- They have more than they thought, ergo they have to make this stick, or the Grand Jury is taking more time. Either is possible.
3.- They are having a problem making a case. (Yes that is also a possibility),
Hubby is more inclined at number 1... because of the likely conflict between AG Lynch and Commey.
I have fourth one, they are in the middle of negotiations with Clinton, aka this is the shit we have... do you really want us to proceed to trial?
Time will tell.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Or you ever get to Chicago?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)learned from my Mexican employees and you can laugh and laugh....
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)It's Her Turn!!!!!!!
Facts and laws be damned. I hope she is found guilty before November. If Bernie is out I still don't care. I want to see her in jail if she broke the law. Let this whole mess end up in her lap. She is scum.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)They have the convention and nominate Hillary and then the indictment comes. Can they just nominate anyone they want at that point? Maybe that's the final fire wall. Nominate Hillary, drop her out, and then nominate whoever you want. Could that happen?
After this primary campaign, I would put nothing past them.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...and Sanders wasn't approached about it, it would mean certain defeat in the GE. No questions asked.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)after ll they have kept him waiting in the wings for some reason. Good question.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... at any minute?
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)You are assuming that an indictment will occur. Why? I think it is far more likely that it will not. It would be unprecedented to indict a Secretary of State for actions taken during her time in that position. It has never happened to any Cabinet officer, as far as I know. The likelihood seems minuscule to me.
I think there is literally nothing hanging over her head with regard to this.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)25 counts of perjury got 5 years probation and fines....
A LOT of red meat here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicians_convicted_of_crimes
merbex
(3,123 posts)[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal|
A Presidential Cabinet member went to jail.
Today's issue involves national security.......which is worse?
Or have we arrived at the point that some people are above the law?
frylock
(34,825 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Anything else would imply political interference.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)but what might happen is the decision
from the FBI will say "Insufficient evidence".
In that case, if she has become the nominee,
the whole GE debates will be about suspicions.
That would decide the elections.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)FBI Director Comey has a history with the Clintons
Comeys first brush with them (Bill & Hillary Clinton) came when Bill Clinton was president. Looking to get back into government after a stint in private practice, Comey signed on as deputy special counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee. In 1996, after months of work, Comey came to some damning conclusions: Hillary Clinton was personally involved in mishandling documents and had ordered others to block investigators as they pursued their case. Worse, her behavior fit into a pattern of concealment: she and her husband had tried to hide their roles in two other matters under investigation by law enforcement. Taken together, the interference by White House officials, which included destruction of documents, amounted to far more than just aggressive lawyering or political naiveté, Comey and his fellow investigators concluded. It constituted a highly improper pattern of deliberate misconduct.
Comey parlayed the Whitewater job into top posts in Virginia and New York, returning to Manhattan in 2002 to be the top federal prosecutor there. One of his first cases as a line attorney in the same office 15 years earlier had been the successful prosecution of Marc Rich, a wealthy international financier, for tax evasion. But on his last day as President in 2001, Bill Clinton pardoned Rich. I was stunned, Comey later told Congress. As top U.S. prosecutor in New York in 2002, appointed by George W. Bush, Comey inherited the criminal probe into the Rich pardon and 175 others Clinton had made at the 11th hour.
http://time.com/4276988/jim-comey-hillary-clinton/