2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSorry, Bernie. The Supers are not switching to you.
The Democratic party has Super Delegates in order to ensure that elected Dems and other top Dems have a say in who wins the party's nomination for president. This encourages presidential candidates to build relationships with other Dems.
Say you're a Dem senator from a red state or a swing state. The Dem's nominee for president can either make or break your candidacy for your election. Shouldn't that Dem senator have a say in who gets the nomination. Look at the Senate Republican candidates freaking out over having Donald Trump at the top of their ticket.
Bernie also likes to cite the Supers switching to Obama as it became clear that he had a majority of the delegates prior to the Dem convention in 2008. What he fails to mention is that from 2004 through 2008, Obama campaigned for and raised money for several congressional Dems in the 2006 mid-term which resulted in huge blowout wins for the party in that year. Another example is Elizabeth Warren who fund raises and supports other Dems wherever she can. In contrast, Bernie has not raised a single dime for any other Dem.
Progressive senators like Sherrod Brown, who represents a major swing state, OH, knows this. He's a super delegate, and he supports Hillary. He needs support from the national party to hold onto his seat.
In our system, a president has very limited power to get anything done domestically. S/he needs congress to draft and pass legislation in order to get anything accomplished. You want to make public colleges free? That bill has to originate from the House of Representatives. If you don't have a majority there, it's not going to get done.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)And that was before Hillary was under investigation.
OP fail.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)OP win!
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)See if you find their rationale in "The $Numbers$?
jonno99
(2,620 posts)Yavin4
(35,445 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)It's undemocratic. Let the people decide and if the party needs to adjust so be it.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)Did I say anything about blocking Liberals? No. For instance, what if Donald Trump ran as a Dem and he brought in new people and was leading the delegate race. Wouldn't you want there to be a way to thwart his rise?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)We know how you feel about the role of super delegates.
Your trump reference is pure straw. The supers are there as a safety valve against a nominee too liberal for the centrist Dems party insiders.
They are undemocratic in theory and irrelevant in practice.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)My whole point was that Dems need to feel comfortable and confident with their presidential nominee which is why they have a say in who gets it.
I'm glad that we have Super Delegates.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Why even let the people vote?
The super dupers know what's best for us little folk.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)they can vote in their caucus or primary. Why do they get 2 votes? Doesn't seem very democratic does it?
Human101948
(3,457 posts)I am super enthusiastic about her plan to keep everything the same!
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Some things the same are a damn good idea.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)and it is disappointing to be told to settle for crumbs.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Yavin4
(35,445 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)I know of 33 states that SD where. Do you know more?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He has a history of being hard to work with.. How is he going to get anything done?
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And supers flip it say goodbye to this election. I would say the same if Hillary goes in with the lead in pledged delegates.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)That's the whole point. He has to win on average 56% to 44% from here on out just to tie in pledged delegates.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)JI7
(89,262 posts)Which is why they switched to Obama in 2008
rock
(13,218 posts)Both the OP and the responses you provided. I believe you've made a solid case for your point. Thanks.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)I posted a scenario up thread. What if Donald Trump ran as a Dem? What if he brought in new voters and was leading in the delegate race?
Wouldn't people want some way to thwart him?
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)But they're all opportunists...if they see the tide turning they'll jump ship.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)All of which helped Dems to have majorities in the House and Senate in 2009? Which then lead to the passage of the ACA?
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)But I know what I just called bribery was bribery, thats what matters.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)think caucuses are undemocratic, but nothing i can do about it. it's up to the states.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)So yes, you are correct.
Cha
(297,561 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)But not from voters?
Fair enough, we'll just have to hope for the best.
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noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Super Delegates. Help me. You must take 2 votes in the Presidential election to save the people from themselves. Vote in your state's caucus or primary and then take an extra vote at the Convention. It's the only way to save us from the terrible scourge of democracy. One person, one vote is just too horrible to imagine. Save us Super Delegates. Save us from ourselves! Only you know how to save us with your wisdom.
Love the artwork. Is it yours?
marlakay
(11,484 posts)I had a talk with a republican upset with dems over this...what a joke since they are the ones to stop minorities from voting, but they feel they are on the right side with no super delegates.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)when they vote.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)It will rip this party to shreds. You can't say fuck you to half the party and expect them to continue to support you. If she wins pledged, fine. I won't be thrilled but I'll deal. If the supers decide we're too stupid to pick our nominee, get ready for a mass exodus from the party, cause it will be clear it no longer even pretends to represent its voters.
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)I can't even count the number of Democrats I know who say they will not vote for Hillary in the event that Bernie wins the popular vote but she's foisted upon us anyway. The Democratic Party will be torn to shreds, you're right. And they will lose in November and possibly for many years after because they will have lost the entire youth vote and many of the rest of us.
If she wins the popular vote, I will hold my nose in Nov. and vote for her. I've been a Democrat for 40 years and have never missed an election. But I wont vote for a party that spits in the face of democracy.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)The people have their say in the primaries which award part of the delegates
The party leadership, people who have worked to build the party and serve their constituents, also are part of the process and have a delegate to award.
It's been working for quite a long time now, but anyone who doesn't like the system, should work within the party to change it.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)if you mean show you an election where they all did not switch to the nominee you can start here and work your way back
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)Literally never have the super delegates overrode the selection of the people, and for good reason.
Your inability to recognize that tells me all I need to know on the quality of your opinion on anything else. I wouldn't trust you to point me to a good pizza place, much less on anything like this.