Has Hillary ever rode one?

Sheesh.

.. there was that time her and Snake saved the president.

Not to mention it has to be pre 1992.

previously, i only thought sociopaths relished these kind of thoughts

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incident when he looked unaware of everyday life activities....out of touch...in a bubble...in that vein.
Pretty pathetic back then. Ludicrous now.

since he still thought tokens were in use. That said, there is no way I'd remember how I payed for my ride, if I traveled as much as Sanders does.

Bags of tokens? They must have been heavy hrmjustin!

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I take the Path & have a MetroCard.

I still refer in conversational language to them as tokens.


People who aren't completely petty freakin morons know what is being said.



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Bernie wanted media attention, and he's getting it now, for better or for worse
And I'm pretty sure Hillary's internals are just fine.

Some subways have tokens, some have tickets, some have cards. Who cares?

He says he rode it a year ago and that was what I was referring to.

What is your point?

Mr. Sanders, will you agree to release all the receipts for the subway tokens you have purchased in the last 13 years?

"I'll look into it"

I do.

It's what he remembers from when he grew up riding the NYC subway. He probably didn't notice or forgot last time he rode it that they switched to MetroCards.

Maybe he got confused with Philadelphia, which still does use tokens. Ugh. Really annoying, especially since they make you buy more than you need unless you have the exact right amount of cash.

Not seeing it hard to tell if the reporter was joshing....or saying that in relation of his ability to as a candidate to take public transit ...or trying to give a gotchya question.

Also can't tell whether Bernie was joshing back, being sarcastic or just confused by the question.

In any case, he has no reason to lie about something like that. He has plenty to draw from with his Brooklyn roots if he wants to pander.

He is a US Senator -- nothing wrong if he has not taken the subway. But he claimed he did and lied about it.

...with them.

But didn't notice or forgot that they changed to Metrocards. He grew up riding the NYC subway using tokens, so that's what he thinks of. Big deal.

It's kind of like thinking that you used a fax machine to send an e-mail, or that you rode through Manhattan in a horse-drawn carriage because there were no steam trains running that day.

It's an obvious lie. If it were Hillary who made the same mistake, DU would be full of threads about this, mocking Hillary. But since it's Bernie, it's a simple mistake.

when you landed in Bosnia is something you never forget. How you pay to get on the freaking subway for the first time in years . . . not so much.

And once again, it's not "in years." It's within the past year.

And yes, the incident specified happened about a year ago. But it sounds like it was an isolated occurrence during a visit to New York City. When I said "for the first time in years," I meant that he had not ridden the subway on a regular basis in many years. So, of course he was in the habit of associating tokens with riding the subway, because that was how he paid for it for the 18 years he lived in New York City. His mistaken recollection of how he paid for an isolated subway ride a year ago is a textbook example of a tempest in a teapot.

By contrast, intentionally and cynically lying about landing in Bosnia under fictional sniper fire in order to score political points is a gross example of dishonesty and demonstrates a complete lack of character. THAT is pandering, and that is the point I was making.

that they DON'T use tokens now ESPECIALLY if he grew up using the tokens?

If I used a pumpkin seed growing up, then suddenly one day I had to use an apple, I'd definitely remember the change.

Bernie lied.

He remembers putting a token in most of the times he rode it. So what?

would have been a novel event and should have been retained.

He lied - period.

That's a good one!

...when I'm in that town, I would still say that I get a token or scan my token. What would be the proper venaculer?

The spelling of "SmarTrip" is annoying.

So very pathetic.

At least he didn't say he ran through sniper fire when they pulled into the station!

...and thanks for a personal insult. Really reinforces your message.

duh............ yep. planning >20 yrs. or so behind the times. 2nd ave construction screwed up driving in off the willis bridge for us for way too long

"thanks for a personal insult"

nothing personal to any du poster. merely categorical for the planning "ilk" of the "dial-car" bunch and the behind-the-times planning crew here in this city
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Tomorrow I'm going to be asking transportation planners if they really call it the Lex. Because no one ever calls it that. But maybe your little guild of very important people actually do, while arranging all the goddamn delays on "the Lex."

I'm off to it, by the way. Hurrah. We work long shifts in this town, and we vote.

never heard it called the Lex

That closed what, 20 years ago at least?

Also you said IRT!

Pandering! ha ha ha!

I've never heard "the Lex" either. My inclination is to say it's bullshit.

If he says he roots for the Dodgers, it will be a NET WIN for him.

Two weeks of nothing but New York. People are going to adore this man, and he will win this city and this state. (It will be a huge margin for him upstate.)

He should work the tokens into his stump speech. Clinton was supposedly living here 13 years ago - you think she ever held a token in her mitt?

OMG! Sanders didn't remember that NYC had stopped using subway tokens!

...so bless their little hearts, they're trying REALLY hard to find something on Bernie.

His whole platform is based on his moral superiority against a corrupt campaign finance system, and he's being investigated for illegal campaign contributions. Huh.

All candidates are continually "investigated" by the FEC. Continually monitored.

I know, I know....it's all you've got to work with.

down, but obviously all you have is making things personal and "knocking" people. What an insight into the petty mindset of superiority that plagues Sanders. Ish.

But the letters were specific to Sanders campaign. This after his whole platform is based on his morality about fixing a corrupt campaign finance system. What a devastating letdown it must be for you to have to defend the mess he's made of his own illegal contributions. So much for his superiority and morality.

Next.

i thought you said you taught at nyu the other day? now you have a different career today?

Transportation planners could well be teaching.

I'm going to the subway right now (keep saying it but this thread has a strange attraction). I'll look if it still has flashes the message about "no tokens" at this machine. Was doing that still a year or so ago. Everyone remembers the tokens fondly.

READ much?

I guess not for meaning, or you would have seen what a great interview (yes, even the New York Post) had with him.

Currently.

criticism for her as she heaped praise on the villains of the time and erased the histories of so many brave Americans, many of them NYers. The fact that you were silent in the face of that outrageous revision makes this just seem so pitiful, today you find your NY voice. And it's for subway tokens? Good for you brook. You do your city proud.

Shamefully phony pandering.

Can you navigate the system?

Lol, you guys are really reaching...

And common vernacular is a thing.

This just shows how damn stupid our media is, there are real issues facing this country and there are actually idiots out there who are concerned about whether Bernie can specify the correct payment method to ride the subway?

The people pushing this shit are morons, focus on the real issues and not stupid ass gotcha questions.

the New York Daily News.

Read it and weep.

i didn't read the daily news article but believe it was on the same topic

But whatever floats your boat.

not to mention all the other Clinton-gates -- and there are plenty as we know.

Liar! Serial liar! Horrible, immoral liar! He thinks the subway is the same as when he rode it years ago. He was there a year ago, so he absolutely knows it is not the same. He chose to lie! He intentionally deceived voters into thinking he used a token. Is there no depth to which this man will not descend? Lying about a subway token! People will die by the thousands because they will all show up with tokens, and many will be trampled in the chaos when the stations jam up. Thousand of dead people! Innocent lives sacrificed because Sanders the Liar deceived them about tokens. Think of the little children! Their mangled bodies being lifted to the surface by grief stricken rescue workers. Oh, the humanity!

A lie is a lie, isn't it? Or is that only when Hillary does it?

Do you seriously consider mistaking the form of payment he used to ride the subway a year ago to be a serious lie? I am sure you have a perfect memory and if someone asked you to remember minor details from a year ago you would never make a mistake. Do you accuse everyone who mistakes minor details of being a liar?

If this is all you have then it is clear you have nothing, you should be embarrassed to be pushing this nonsense.

It's not like he forgot whether he took the E or the C. No one who rides the New York subway forgets the cards you use to get in. They're a pain to get, and a pain to use. I take it you've never used it; otherwise you wouldn't claim it's something one can easily forget.

ETA: It's not a "method of payment". We're not quibbling over whether he used a debit card or a credit card to pay for his subway card. We're talking about whether it's a token, or a card. Big difference, and not one that is easily confused.

And no, I don't remember any huge hassle in getting the subway cards. I don't remember if I paid cash or credit when I went out for dinner last month either. Sorry but not everyone remembers every minor detail of how they paid for something a year ago.

In any case, it shows you're not a New Yorker. Neither is Bernie, and any New Yorker will see that instantly.

Once again, please quit pretending this is a question of whether he used a credit card or a debit card. It's more like whether he took a steam train or an electric train.

And no I am not a New Yorker, I have been to New York a couple of times and have rode the subway but don't claim to be an expert. My lack of expertise did not make it difficult for me to get a subway card however. Bernie grew up in New York but it is no secret that he has lived in Vermont for years, he never claimed to be a regular on the New York subways. He said straight out that he had not rode the subway for a year, yet for some stupid reason people are outraged that he forgot he used a card instead of a token. I am sorry but a card vs. a token is not as significant as you would like to believe it is.

Why didn't he just tell the truth? It would have been so easy to admit he hasn't taken the subway recently but strongly believes in public transportation. No one expects a guy who moved to Vermont so long ago to be totally familiar with things. Why pretend? Moreover, if he really did forget, why didn't he just say he doesn't remember?

Case in point: I was in Boston well over a year ago and remember clearly the cards I used. Same thing with Chicago, over three years ago. Same thing with Washington, DC, within the past year. I also remember the weird ticket system used in Geneva, Switzerland. It's not the sort of thing one forgets.

It is, indeed, a small point, but these small things matter in elections. It just looks bad.

Bernie does travel a lot, there is no reason to believe he has not rode the subway during his travels.

Sorry but you are making yourself look absolutely foolish.

Let me guess though, you are supporting the candidate who said she had to run from sniper fire in Bosnia and somehow think that is less significant than Bernie calling a subway pass a token.

Can we not have a civil discussion? I have not been able to find a single Bernie supporter here who can have a calm and civilized discussion without either launching personal attacks or twisting other people's words in circles.

As for the Bosnia smear, here is an article that explains it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/opinion/why-our-memory-fails-us.html

Politicians are often caught misremembering their past, in part because their lives are so well documented. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign was momentarily sidetracked by her own false memory of a time when, on a trip to Bosnia as first lady, she had to skip a greeting ceremony and run from her plane under sniper fire. As often happens, her memory was an embellishment of a real event, a hooked fish that got bigger in the retelling — there was fighting in the region, but not close enough to be a threat. Our memories tend to morph to match our beliefs about ourselves and our world. Mrs. Clinton did go to dangerous places, but on the tarmac in Bosnia she was met by children, not bullets.

There was nothing civil about your posts at all, you falsely accused Bernie of lying and I am not going to pretend that I respect your smear tactics because I don't.

Public schools, Brooklyn College, University of Chicago, New School... but, yeah, Camp Weathervane, do go with "Bernie isn't a New Yorker."

Native, ba-by.

"You know what, I haven't taken the New York subway in years, but I believe in public transportation. When I'm president, you bet I will do all I can to fund public transportation in the United States. I will also fight to develop a first-world high-speed rail system."

It was so easy, and yet he missed the opportunity. It's amazing that such a weak candidate could get this far. Goes to show the level of woman-hatred we are dealing with.

a professional "politician" giving politician answers to everything and anything.

Geesh. You people have really lost your marbles if this is newsworthy or scandalous. No, correction: you're lost the race, ergo the marbles.

Doesn't it say something about his character? Or is it only when Hillary does it that lying is bad?

with whatever the dumb metro pass is they have in D.C., and I sure as hell can't remember how I got it and that was only 2 years ago.

I'm sorry, but I don't base my vote on silliness. The only person in this country I completely trust and agree with is myself, and I'm not running.

Put bluntly, all this craziness about speech transcripts, tax returns and now subway tokens is hilariously petty. Both sides should be rather ashamed of themselves by now... judging from the average 235 posts made about each "serious issue." Sorry, you lost me there.

I voted for Bernie in the primary, I will vote for whomever gets the nomination, I will keep my wallet closed and I will hope for better days. But this? This I will laugh at all day long.

And the young will think it adorable.

You don't really understand popular politics and the power of honesty, do you?

The Daily News asked him how he gets on the subway. He answered in a fashion that PROVES he ain't no carpetbagger who flew in yesterday. Just a bit old.

People remember their tokens fondly.

I don't get how ridiculous this entire season has gotten.

for subway rides.

Its old school and lends credence to his history in NYC imo...

Its like saying "albums" for CDs. Or "I'm going to video that" for tivo...

Maybe when he rode the subway he wasn't alone and someone else purchased the Metrocard for him and he just forgot. I wonder how many times Hillary has ridden the subway in the past .

They should keep pushing it as if it was terrible, far as I am concerned.

Sanders went through the gate with a bunch of people, one of whom used their own card to pay his fare. He just figured they paid the same way he paid years earlier. I'm glad the candidates don't have to figure out the Tacoma Narrows bridge toll system. They would all be disqualified.

Y'all rationalize with the seriousness of monks Clinton's free flowing every evolving Bosnian sniper fire lie, and then have the balls to attack Sanders for calling a subway pass a token?

Sweet lord Jesus on toast, y'all are just down right pathetic mean girls with the maturity of twelve year olds.

Who cares? Maybe his wife handled the Metro card and he did not even realize that they weren't using tokens.

"Oh me oh my a guy who grew up here decades ago hasn't heard that the Subway system is different then when he remembers it."

You might not care about that, but I suspect many New Yorkers will. No one likes someone who pretends to be what he is not.

He's a native New Yorker. Does Camp Weathervane not understand what that means?

Everyone knows that. No one's going to give a shit whether he knows that tokens have been discontinued. I'd be willing to bet Hillary's never set foot in a subway station.

FFS

Bernie probably has many hundreds of memories of using tokens on the New York subway system.

Remembering that when he came back a year ago and used the subway once.....I'm pretty sure that the method of token or card wasn't too memorable.

So, you actually believe that Bernie was lying when he said to mike that he rode a subway a year ago? You believe that he was making it up, and pandering?

Jesus Christ.

I forget how it works, though.

If I tried to remember in real time, I'd probably get it wrong.

And they've probably updated things since then, anyway.

I've never been on a subway, anyways this is just funny to me. Go Bernie!!!!

" It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."

Not that any of her supporters give a flying fuck about that. They care about subway tokens and Metro Cards.


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