2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCongratulation Bernie, you gained a whole whopping 10 delegates (NET)
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at this rate, you should pass Hillary sometime around never.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)At this rate, he will win in 2018.
Red Oak
(697 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the reality is that Bernie can't make up this huge delegate deficit +9 net delegates at a time.
Red Oak
(697 posts)Rest of nation doesn't even need to vote. Hillary won the Republican states, so she will win walking away.
Remember - "he may win one state". He will get crushed in Iowa. He'll never win a state like Oklahoma. No way he wins Michigan. Hillary will kill him in Wisconsin. It's over in January, it's over in March, now it's over in April.
Team weathervance must have a group that all they do is move goalposts.
If Hillary loses New York it is game over.
No way will the Democratic party have her as the nominee if she loses her "home" state.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)New York, Arkansas, or Illinois?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Most of it didn't make much sense.
But you have to know that if you are going to post silly one liners on a public discussion board, you may get a response. There is even a chance you won't like the response. Grow up, you're sounding like Trump.
Red Oak
(697 posts)I haven't had any posts hidden in the last 90 days.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)No sour grapes here.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Variation on the theme?
Too funny...
morningfog
(18,115 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Pathetic.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)This will be 22,001!
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Celebration Time!
tabasco
(22,974 posts)I've been a Democrat for about 50 years now, and I really don't think it's time to celebrate when the leading candidate loses yet another state and has shown tremendous weakness as a candidate.
I don't know who are the biggest assholes, the Hillary or death disciples, or the Sanders or death disciples, but they're all assholes.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)I doubt it. Hillary actually had more popular votes than he did, and a larger percentage of the vote.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Do you have a link/cite that shows a comparison (percentage of the vote) between the two campaigns at this point. Thanks!
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)In the end, Clinton won the popular vote but lost the delegate count. She also was never more than 200 pledged delegates behind Obama ... I'm not sure she was ever more than 150. She also won 5 of the last 8 primaries.
It's hard to do timeline apples to apples comparisons because the order of the states were vastly different between 2008 and 2016.
You can see more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008
tabasco
(22,974 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)And your RCP link's top line doesn't include Michigan ... if you look at the line that DOES include Michigan, it matches with the information I provided. And being that Obama removed himself from Michigan's primary, you can't not include them in the popular vote totals.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)LOL @ counting a contest in which Obama was not on the ballot, because the DNC said the primary was illegitimate.
Obama won more total votes than Clinton in the contests where they both appeared on the ballot.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/clinton-and-the-popular-vote/
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)As to Michigan being "illegitimate", so was Florida, but Obama kept his name on in that state.
Popular vote is popular vote ... and by that metric, Clinton won. You can't not count a state that someone voluntarily removed themselves from and still call it a popular vote.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)So, in the traditional notion of fairness, I would include those votes in the totals, as did the analysts at RCP and elsewhere.
Clinton (and some supporters) feel the need to claim the greatest total of popular votes in 2008, including Michigan, so I suppose their notions of fairness and intellectual honesty are different than mine.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)means all the votes and others want to tweak that definition to something that really isn't popular vote ... to fit their agenda.
Whatever, nomad.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)2008 Primary Popular Vote Total Obama 17,535,458 48.1% Clinton 17,493,836 48.0% Obama +41,622
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
However, compared to this point in the 2008 primary, Clinton does hold a larger lead over Sanders than Obama had over Clinton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/14/why-hillary-clintons-delegate-lead-over-bernie-sanders-is-bigger-than-it-looks/
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)toshiba783
(74 posts)Hillary's a weak candidate because she isn't winning "enough" - therefore people should vote for the candidate who is LOSING to the "weak" candidate?
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Either you fail at reading comprehension or you are a liar.
Logic doesn't come into play until some facts are established.
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)The highly partisan supporters of both candidates are generally unpleasant people in my eyes. Their unforgiving and unwillingness to cooperate will be the reasons we lose in November, if we do indeed lose.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)in percentage of Delegate votes needed to cinch the nomination.
There are now even fewer delegates available (to include in the math) since WI's Primary is done. Bernie got a net gain of only 9 delegates. Bernie has an even greater need to get higher percentage numbers of Delegates, and amazingly enough Hillary needs fewer.
zigby
(125 posts)I should hope you'd be pleased that our candidates are generating enthusiasm, unlike the brakeless clown wagon torpedoing towards the cliffs...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That could increase, as many of the unreported precincts are in heavy Sanders territory.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)7 in a row now...your frown is going to become permanent.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)timmymoff
(1,947 posts)Bernie has 44 delgates, Clinton 28 for a difference of currently 16.. your math sucks as bad as her honesty ratings
revbones
(3,660 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)DangerousRhythm
(2,916 posts)The original post is a great reminder to me of why I barely ever visit this primaries forum.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)eom
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)whom they support.
They spend their time with half truths, twisted logic, character assassination (usually of the Rovian swift-boat variety) and sometimes just plain making shit up to tell us why we should not vote for the liberal with the much better platform whom we support while showing nothing but hatred in their sneering faces and words.
It makes them ugly on the inside and spiteful in their voices and actions.
Exterior ugliness can hold within a beautiful person and often does, internal ugliness is truly and irrevocably ugly and repulsive unlike someone that is perhaps not a model but decent and kind.
as an aside, I still love your avatar and it's presence usually means the water is healthy. It looks really good on you
senz
(11,945 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I think I told you about the dragonfly sighting over a waterway is a sign that its healthy, remember? IM at JPR?....I like your name.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Hillary's going to win the nomination on the votes of the Deep Red States that will NEVER go for her in the General. That's a winning strategy -not!
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)I bet you make great Salt Water Taffy.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)fellow Americans.
mythology
(9,527 posts)But if you're going to talk about red states not mattering, goodbye Oklahoma, Idaho, Alaska, Kansas, Utah and Nebraska.
But hey, let's tell people in particular states that they don't matter. Seems like a great strategy. You may recall states like North Carolina and Indiana voted Democratic in 2008 even though they were considered red states.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)He can have his last hooray in Wyoming, and then Democratic voters will be voting. Bummer for him.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And Bernie is in it through the last vote. Don't rush it.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)But more Democrats are supporting Hillary over Bernie. All the polls show that.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)That will be the day Clintonistas really suck on them sour grapes.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)New York, Pennsylvania & New Jersey will soon become the deep south, too.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)They crack me up. They really do.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)You can't make this stuff up.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Democratic nominee is fun. Thank you so much. That was nice after 45 years on this earth... 20 of them spent actively campaigning for Democrats...
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)ROFL
morningfog
(18,115 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)He needed a blowout win.. not just a win.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)They want to believe.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)As long as he maintains, he is viable until June 7. The only thing he needs is to avoid blow out losses.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)I think he can arguable maintain a sense of viability of he can make it to June 7 needing 56% of the vote. If it turned on whether he could take California, he had at least an argument to stay in.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)There, there.
GeorgiaPeanuts
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(2,039 posts)Response to itsrobert (Original post)
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applegrove
(118,778 posts)like that.
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smiley
(1,432 posts)44-28=16.
I've never been good at math so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Congrats Bernie and all his supporters! Kicking this OP to highlight the immaturity.
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Logical
(22,457 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Response to itsrobert (Original post)
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TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Green Papers has delegate allocation for Wisconsin at 48-38.
Sid
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Didnt get the 18 net needed.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)YUUUUUGGGGEEE
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Chip, chip, chip
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Bring on the sliming!
Honestly, how do you people live with yourselves?
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)And that whopping 10 delegate advantage? Icing on the cake!
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)The Democrat area (heaviest population area) went for Hillary, the republican areas (Dairy cow country) went for Bernie.