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Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:49 AM Apr 2016

I read this from a Hillary supporter...

"So much for "momentum". We all knew he'd win WI due to it being open, and the indies that would vote for him because they could. Plus (R) crossover votes. We can't forget those, either. With the upcoming CLOSED contests, the people who actually BELONG to the party can go about the business of selecting the candidate for our party."

I'm sorry, as a lifelong democrat...what the fuck happened to our big tent? Me = democrat = inclusive. Exclusive = republican = ???you???

You want to be exclusive....you might have a winger issue.

And just a little tidbit...the independent vote is the most important vote. Those that don't call themselves democrats or republicans. They make up the majority of voting age Americans....

and if your candidate is having problems landing them...you need to ask yourself a deeper question about their electability in the GE.

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I read this from a Hillary supporter... (Original Post) Buddyblazon Apr 2016 OP
those indies are very important SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #1
She's gonna be indicted anyway. Skink Apr 2016 #2
Goldwater girl changed the letter behind her name, but never her positions... Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #3
Republicans are pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-immigration, pro-progressive taxation? brooklynite Apr 2016 #16
Yes, the old moderate GOP was indeed Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #17
WalMart board member Baobab Apr 2016 #19
Of course she is. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #20
Identity politics, the lowest common denominator.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2016 #4
I am an Independent. Someone at my caucus table actually said "We don't actually have one liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #5
Seriously? dana_b Apr 2016 #13
My daughter was the one sitting next to the person who said that. There were a lot of liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #14
that's right, you did dana_b Apr 2016 #15
Good grief. Part of MOMENTUM comes from pulling in NON-DEMS. Beartracks Apr 2016 #6
monumentally fucking stupid ibegurpard Apr 2016 #7
Why that meme is a fallacy is that there is only one candidate on the upaloopa Apr 2016 #8
They apparently don't understand that a significant SheilaT Apr 2016 #9
As a 'lifelong Democrat," MoonchildCA Apr 2016 #10
She should be worrying about her inability to gain indie's votes because Donald has no problem jillan Apr 2016 #11
Not cool.. fun n serious Apr 2016 #12
Every voter should have a choice, and a voice. bigwillq Apr 2016 #18
Personally...I believe Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #21
It's easy to have a voice in the Democratic Party's choice of candidates... brooklynite Apr 2016 #22
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
17. Yes, the old moderate GOP was indeed
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

pro-choice (Prescott Bush was a long-time supporter of Planned Parenthood)

pro-gay rights (like Lincoln Chafee)

pro-immigration (because it kept the wages low if you tweaked the legislation just "right&quot

Don't 100% sure know about progressive taxation, but Eisenhower seemed fine with it.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
20. Of course she is.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016

Saint Hillary of Walmart, our Blessed Lady of Inevitability, and the afflluent fruit of her womb, Chelsea. Let us bend our knee and praise Nancy!

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
5. I am an Independent. Someone at my caucus table actually said "We don't actually have one
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:58 AM
Apr 2016

of those people here do we?"

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
13. Seriously?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:11 AM
Apr 2016

What did you say?

I would have said "yeah, I'm one of 'those' people - do you have a problem?" Seems like they would love for us not to be able to vote.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
14. My daughter was the one sitting next to the person who said that. There were a lot of
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

people at our table and in the building. It was loud and hard to hear. We had to almost shout to be heard while discussing who we were voting for, but yeah I said I was an Independent. I think they had a false sense that it was a closed caucus because the paper that you vote with has at the top a statement saying, "I consider myself a Democrat." But WA has an open caucus, so no matter what that piece of paper said, I had every right to be there and to vote and I did.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
15. that's right, you did
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:16 PM
Apr 2016

I know that so many feel that this is "their" party and that we as indys don't have a right to have a say in their party, but whoever is nominated and possibly elected as President, will be the President for ALL of us, not just the Dems or the Repubs. So I don't CARE that they don't like me having a say in "their" party. My state allows indys to vote in the Democratic primary and so I will.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
6. Good grief. Part of MOMENTUM comes from pulling in NON-DEMS.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:59 AM
Apr 2016

That kind of MOMENTUM is what will be needed in the General Election.


I also like this assertion: "So much for 'momentum.' We all knew he'd win Wisconsin..." So apparently momentum is only evidenced by unexpected wins. lol

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ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
7. monumentally fucking stupid
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:01 AM
Apr 2016

And completely unsurprising.
Hillary may yet win the battle but she's losing the war.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. They apparently don't understand that a significant
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:24 AM
Apr 2016

percent of voters are Independents, and that no one can win an election without them.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
10. As a 'lifelong Democrat,"
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:27 AM
Apr 2016

...I choose Bernie. He is more in line with my ideals than Hillary could ever hope to be.

If independents like him, great! I have a formerly republican niece that seems to love him. She was a Rand Paul supporter--go figure. I think that's more about feeling the candidate gets you than the actual platform. As far as I'm concerned, Bernie is the most democratic candidate we've had since Roosevelt. He has my vote because he is for the people not the corporations.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
11. She should be worrying about her inability to gain indie's votes because Donald has no problem
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:08 AM
Apr 2016

getting their votes on the repug side.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
21. Personally...I believe
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

if the Dems opened all their primaries and caucus', they'd win GE's handily.

brooklynite

(94,727 posts)
22. It's easy to have a voice in the Democratic Party's choice of candidates...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:27 PM
Apr 2016

Joint the Democratic Party.

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