2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders won 71 of 72 Wisconsin Counties!
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Clinton won only Milwaukee County and she won it by just 51.8% to 48.0%.
Buffalo County made a "clerical error" for Clinton:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4dk6yd/open_thread_3_80_reporting/d1rts3j
Polk County also made a "clerical error" for Clinton:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4dk6yd/open_thread_3_80_reporting/d1rsz7j
According to the two highly convincing posts above, Clinton was wrongly credited with +1401 in the above two counties, while Sanders was denied 78 votes he earned.
Adjusting accordingly, Sanders actually won 57.2% of the votes cast for him or for Clinton, while Clinton won just 42.8% of those votes. That is a resounding 14.4% victory, which may end up getting rounded up to 15% when all the votes are in and finalized!
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)We need to win minorities in urban areas.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... did not.
Progressive my ass
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Is the 2nd largest urban area in the state. And the most liberal. So that shoots your theory to shit.
They just blurt out crap, doesn't matter if it's true, then finish with an insult.
Bleah.
There's a lot of that going around today. Had it happen a few times today.....they are getting twitchy.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Clinton won in only Polk, Buffalo and Milwaukee counties.
http://graphics.latimes.com/election-2016-wisconsin-results/
Polk:
Polk County is a county in the U.S. state of Wisconsin. As of the 2010 census, the population was 44,205. Its county seat is Balsam Lake. The county was created in 1853. Wikipedia
https://www.google.com/webhp#q=Polk+county+wi
Buffalo:
https://www.google.com/webhp#q=Buffalos+county+wi
Buffalo County is a county located in the U.S. state of Wisconsin. As of the 2010 census, the population was 13,587.[1] Its county seat is Alma.[2] The county was created in 1853 and organized the following year.[3][4]
Those two are pretty tiny by California standards.
Milwaukee of course is larger and a city:
Milwaukee County is a county in the U.S. state of Wisconsin. As of the 2010 census, the population was 947,735 and was estimated to be 956,406 in 2014.[1] It is the most populous county in Wisconsin and the 45th most populous in the United States. Its county seat is Milwaukee,[2] which is also the most populous city in the state. The county was created in 1834 as part of Michigan Territory and organized the following year.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_County,_Wisconsin
Large in terms of Wisconsin, but not in terms of Los Angeles, Ca. It is a city. I expected it to be larger than that.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)rpannier
(24,338 posts)But let me help
Sanders won Dane County... Home to Madison, WI. He got over 100,000 votes. It had the 2nd largest voter turnout of any county in Wisconsin and he won it. It's also often referred to as the most liberal. He got 63% of the vote.
Clinton did win Milwaukee with the largest turn out. She got about 52% of the vote in that county
Sanders won Brown County which is where Green Bay is. He won that with about 57% of the vote in the county
Sanders won Racine by about 2%, they had about 28000 voters show
Clinton's win in Buffalo County was by about 13%. They had less than 3,000 people show and it was one of the bottom 10 turnout counties
She won Polk County where a whopping 5,000+ people turned out
Sanders won Washington, Waukesha, Ozaukee, the counties (along with Racine) that border Milwaukee.
He won Kenosha, Walworth and Rock counties which are the furthest southeast and closest to Cook County, IL
He won every county that had more than 20,000 people vote, except for Milwaukee
To summarize
Sanders won big, small, medium. He won almost every urban and rural setting. He won every suburban county. He won by huge margins and small margins. He won north, south, east and west. He won the most states that border Illinois, that border Minnesota, the border water.
He won Packer country, Bear Country (as few as there are in WI), Viking Country (there are Viking strong holds on the west).
There really isn't any demographic he did not win
Nice try though
Perogie
(687 posts)That's being elitist.
jonestonesusa
(880 posts)County total, 63% Sanders.
A smarter strategy for Clinton partisans would be to figure out how Sanders is winning in battleground States rather than writing off his supporters. Maybe the Clinton campaign will do this too. Why not!!
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)she only goes down
kcjohn1
(751 posts)The other two there are errors in the reporting and will change to Bernie
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Now I'm confused as to which one is accurate?
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Hissyspit gave it to me last night with the announcement of Bernie's win.
This morning's read is Polk County went to Sanders sometime after I shut down my computer for the night, with Clinton only winning Milwaukee County. !
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)being misused by a criminal, in order to smear an anti- gun politician that even wants a ban on assault weapons among other things. How very Brovian of them.
One can not sue a manufacturer of a legal product, like a car, a gun, a case of whiskey, a cigarette, an axe, a wood-chipper, a crowbar, or whatever, when someone uses the legal product to commit a crime or harm themselves with.
If the product is faulty, and causes injury to oneself for others, then yes.
Not being ignorant of he law one then realizes that the way to stop the crime is to make the product either illegal, or very restricted and regulated. Such is reality, and he holds the same stance as Obama regarding how to combat gun crime in a country that won't allow us to make them illegal like in sane countries because of that pesky Constitution (and mis-interpreted by our highest court) it's second amendment.
Sanders: Well, I've talked about it, you have seen it. What the agenda is is very similar to where to where President Obama is. President Obama said at that Oregon speech with a great deal of emotion. That he thought this was an issue that's never going to be permanently solved. Nobody can guarantee that some lunatic is not going to pick up a gun today and kill people. But we have to do the best that we can to prevent those type of killings. And what we do, in my view, is significantly strengthen and expand the instant background check. What we do is do away with the gun show loophole, where people now are buying guns from unlicensed dealers. What we do is do away with the straw man provision, where you can buy a gun legally and then sell it to somebody who's a criminal. I think what we also is significantly expand mental health capabilities to try to address the fact that we have thousands of people walking in this country today who are suicidal and homicidal. So I support pretty much the President's agenda.
Daily News: Just to be clear, the press release your campaign put out the day of that announcement of the forthcoming comprehensive plan, you made that announcement, those were the four points you made then. Have you moved any further beyond that?
Sanders: Well, I don't know that anyone has moved...I think that's the President's vision, that's my position.
Daily News: There's a case currently waiting to be ruled on in Connecticut. The victims of the Sandy Hook massacre are looking to have the right to sue for damages the manufacturers of the weapons. Do you think that that is something that should be expanded?
Sanders: Do I think the victims of a crime with a gun should be able to sue the manufacturer, is that your question?
Daily News: Correct.
Sanders: No, I don't.
Daily News: Let me ask you. I know we're short on time. Two quick questions. Your website talks about...
Sanders: No, let me just...I'm sorry. In the same sense that if you're a gun dealer and you sell me a gun and I go out and I kill him [gestures to someone in room] . Do I think that that gun dealer should be sued for selling me a legal product that he misused? [Shakes head no.] But I do believe that gun manufacturers and gun dealers should be able to be sued when they should know that guns are going into the hands of wrong people. So if somebody walks in and says, "I'd like 10,000 rounds of ammunition," you know, well, you might be suspicious about that. So I think there are grounds for those suits, but not if you sell me a legal product. But you're really saying...
Daily News: Do you think that the discussion and debate about what defines a legal product, what should be a legal product, hence AR-15s, these automatic military-style weapons...which is the grounds of this suit at the moment is that this should have never been in the hands of the public.
Sanders: Well, you're looking at a guy...let's talk about guns for one second. Lets set the record straight because of unnamed candidates who have misrepresented my views. You're looking at a guy who has a D, what was it, D minus voting record from the NRA? Not exactly a lobbyist for the NRA, not exactly supporting them.
But it's interesting that you raised that question. If you'll remember this, if you were in Vermont in 1988 [gestures to Vermonter in the room], three people were running for the United States Congress. We have one seat, Vermont. Two of them supported assault weapons. One candidate, Bernie Sanders, said, in 1988, "No, I do not support the sale and distribution of assault weapons in this country." I lost that election by three points. Came in second. And that may have been the reason, that I was opposed by all of the gun people, okay? So to answer your question, I do not believe, I didn't believe then and I don't believe now that those guns should be sold in America. They're designed for killing people.
Daily News: So do you think then, with that in mind, that the merits of the current case are baseless?
Sanders: It's not baseless. I wouldn't use that word. But it's a backdoor way. If you're questioning me, will I vote to ban assault weapons in the United States, yeah, I will.
senz
(11,945 posts)Something is happening, and they cannot ignore it.
But the media is trying to ignore it. Trying to ignore the people!
Are voting for Hillary, she is ahead by over 2 million votes and 200+ delegates.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)LMAO
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)BOF! That's French for "So what"
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)without completely fucking the voters as Arizona did.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It's not Manhattan, I know that. What's out there? Maybe some plywood and dirt, I'm not sure.
Number23
(24,544 posts)In what universe is 13% HUGE?? In what universe is you getting 45 delegates and your opponent getting 31 when you are down 250+ delegates HUGE???
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,818 posts)... in the universe of Bernieland.
Number23
(24,544 posts)A 13% win when you needed a blow out and a whole TEN delegate advantage when you're more than 250 behind ain't nothing to write home about.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)If Sanders can just beat Clinton in New York, that will put him on a nine state winning streak (if you include the fact that he is now going to win Nevada). His momentum will then be unstoppable, and Clinton will need to summon every dirty trick in the DNC's playbook just to win in Kentucky and Maryland.
Only in corporate media addicted America could anyone conclude that the candidate who has just won EVERY SINGLE PRIMARY since 3/15 (other than the Arizona primary in response to which the DOJ has just launched an investigation into rampant election day voter suppression) all by over 14% margins somehow cannot possibly win.
If Sanders can just win New York by the same margin that he won just won Wisconsin, there is no possible way that Clinton will emerge with more pledged delegates, and even less possible way that she could be conceivably viewed as the superior Democratic general election candidate by any Democrat with any firing nerve cells located above her or his neck.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Not that 214 wasn't bad enough.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)And he got it. He still needs 56% of the remaining pledged delegates. He closed the gap to 214. It was a great night. And Hillary continues her losing streak.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And if being 250 delegates ahead and 2.5 million VOTES ahead is somehow bad for Hillary, I'm sure she's hoping that bad streak continues through June.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)She's only won 2 counties out of 199. She is being wholly rejected in late races. Lucky for her she built a padding of delegates early. She was as many as 335 ahead, Bernie has cut a third off.
Number23
(24,544 posts)She may have had a bad three weeks but she's had plenty of good ones before that. And the good ones were more than enough to give her a massive lead.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)According to 538, as of 12:15 AM 4/8/2016
1301 Clinton
1089 Sanders
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212
Don't be surprised if the count changes as district/county/state conventions are held and numbers are finalized.
Number23
(24,544 posts)1305 Clinton
1086 Sanders
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0
pat_k
(9,313 posts)It's fluid as process progresses through district/county/state conventions. NY Times hasn't updated initial allocation.
Of course, they are all in the same ballpark.
After looking around, I actually think greenpapers.com may be most up to date. They've got it at 216. Five Thirty Eight is still at 212.
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml
1310 Hillary
1094 Sanders
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216
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
1308
1096
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212
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)highprincipleswork
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mhatrw
(10,786 posts)It's strange that I don't see any major media outlet predicting how all 86 will eventually be apportioned.
Do you have some special insight into this that you would like to share with us?
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mhatrw
(10,786 posts)That's still 3 short of the 86 pledged delegates that should be awarded.
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Warren DeMontague
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)There's a crowd here for whom Sen. Sanders could never do anything right, except maybe invent a time machine and go back and stop himself from running when ITS HER TURN, DAMMIT
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I've assumed from the beginning that she had better than good odds of getting the nomination, which makes the phenomenally craptastic campaign performance she's displayed all the more distressing--- because I still fear we're gonna be stuck with her as the nominee.
Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)allow Indies to vote in the democratic primary!!!!! And we re talking 475 unpledged delegates up for grabs.