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mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:09 AM Apr 2016

Sanders won 71 of 72 Wisconsin Counties!

Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:18 AM - Edit history (3)

Clinton won only Milwaukee County and she won it by just 51.8% to 48.0%.

Buffalo County made a "clerical error" for Clinton:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4dk6yd/open_thread_3_80_reporting/d1rts3j

Polk County also made a "clerical error" for Clinton:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/comments/4dk6yd/open_thread_3_80_reporting/d1rsz7j

According to the two highly convincing posts above, Clinton was wrongly credited with +1401 in the above two counties, while Sanders was denied 78 votes he earned.

Adjusting accordingly, Sanders actually won 57.2% of the votes cast for him or for Clinton, while Clinton won just 42.8% of those votes. That is a resounding 14.4% victory, which may end up getting rounded up to 15% when all the votes are in and finalized!

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Sanders won 71 of 72 Wisconsin Counties! (Original Post) mhatrw Apr 2016 OP
+1 quantumjunkie Apr 2016 #1
This is the most important news. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #2
Counties vote now? Let me guess, Clinton won most of the urban areas and Sanders ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #3
Dane County ibegurpard Apr 2016 #5
Thank you. senz Apr 2016 #6
Yeah Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #17
Clinton won only three counties. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #9
She didn't win Polk or Buffalo. Jarqui Apr 2016 #52
except you are DEAD WRONG! mhatrw Apr 2016 #11
Why let that stop them now? It's just par for the course. nt Electric Monk Apr 2016 #37
Let me guess... You don't know what you're talking about rpannier Apr 2016 #36
Only Urbanites can be progressive? Perogie Apr 2016 #42
I live in the City of Eau Claire, downtown. 67,000 residents, metro area 100K. jonestonesusa Apr 2016 #44
landslide SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #4
Actually she only won 1 by 4.points kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #7
AWESOME! Where did you learn that? mhatrw Apr 2016 #12
the interactive map I looked at about an hour shows her winning only POLK County 2banon Apr 2016 #15
Do you have a link? I've been looking at the NYT map /NT Dragonfli Apr 2016 #23
Hi Dragonfli, here's the link. 2banon Apr 2016 #45
I see, so they are feigning ignorance of the law regarding suing a manufacturer for a legal product Dragonfli Apr 2016 #46
Massive wins, huge margins, near clean sweeps, one after another, seven straight in a row. senz Apr 2016 #8
"The people" TMontoya Apr 2016 #10
LOL. Deep South black box voting machines are the only "voters" who prefer Clinton. mhatrw Apr 2016 #13
Yeah, us front-loaded Southerners. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #14
Oh, you, throwing cold water on the red-hot BS passion! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #26
Right now the popular margin is 57-43. If that margin carries over into delegates, Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #16
That's French for "your pathetic candidate cannot win ANYTHING north or west of Cincinnati" mhatrw Apr 2016 #18
Say what? Pardon your French! LOLLOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #21
Yes, but IS there anything north or west of Cincinnati? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #32
This is so weird. Every single poll said that Sanders needed to win by HUGE margins to catch up Number23 Apr 2016 #24
As the saying goes, N°23, YOUR MILEAGE MAY VARY! LOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #25
It's HUGE ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #27
And I don't think that Bernie himself could have scripted a state more custom made for him Number23 Apr 2016 #47
Where did you get that delegate count from? Wisconsin has 86 pledged delegates, not 76. mhatrw Apr 2016 #28
No "poll" said he needed huge margins. And the lead is now 214. morningfog Apr 2016 #48
Every analysis said he needed huge margins. 13% ain't huge. And NY Times still has her lead at 250 Number23 Apr 2016 #49
That's not accurate. He needed 56% to keep that target morningfog Apr 2016 #50
In a state like Wisconsin, a 25+ point blow out should have been reachable. Number23 Apr 2016 #51
It's 214, now. No one can deny it has been a bad three weeks for her. morningfog Apr 2016 #54
It's 219 not 214. And that is still a huge lead Number23 Apr 2016 #56
Actually, it's 212 (since you appear to be a stickler for accuracy) pat_k Apr 2016 #58
Still 219 according to NY Times. Thanks for chiming in anyway Number23 Apr 2016 #59
Green Papers and Five Thirty Eight pat_k Apr 2016 #60
congrats Bernie! fun n serious Apr 2016 #19
Her campaign stinks worse than limburger cheese. PonyUp Apr 2016 #20
The question remains will they actually correct their "clerical errors"? /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #22
This is Yuge! Congratulations Bernie and all Bernie supporters. Congratulations Wisconsin. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #30
I see 86 pledged delegates at stake. mhatrw Apr 2016 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #35
Google says 47-36. mhatrw Apr 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author mhatrw Apr 2016 #34
NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE! Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #38
I'm kidding. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #40
ok, then. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #41
Nooooo! Here is some good news for you that just might change your mind. California will Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #55
Wow. Great news. N/t azmom Apr 2016 #53
And Bernie won every county (or equivalent) in the Washington, Alaska and Hawaii contests Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #57

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
3. Counties vote now? Let me guess, Clinton won most of the urban areas and Sanders ...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:11 AM
Apr 2016

... did not.

Progressive my ass

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
5. Dane County
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:13 AM
Apr 2016

Is the 2nd largest urban area in the state. And the most liberal. So that shoots your theory to shit.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
6. Thank you.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:19 AM
Apr 2016

They just blurt out crap, doesn't matter if it's true, then finish with an insult.

Bleah.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
17. Yeah
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:40 AM
Apr 2016

There's a lot of that going around today. Had it happen a few times today.....they are getting twitchy.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Clinton won only three counties.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton won in only Polk, Buffalo and Milwaukee counties.

http://graphics.latimes.com/election-2016-wisconsin-results/

Polk:

Polk County is a county in the U.S. state of Wisconsin. As of the 2010 census, the population was 44,205. Its county seat is Balsam Lake. The county was created in 1853. Wikipedia

https://www.google.com/webhp#q=Polk+county+wi

Buffalo:

https://www.google.com/webhp#q=Buffalos+county+wi

Buffalo County is a county located in the U.S. state of Wisconsin. As of the 2010 census, the population was 13,587.[1] Its county seat is Alma.[2] The county was created in 1853 and organized the following year.[3][4]

Those two are pretty tiny by California standards.

Milwaukee of course is larger and a city:

Milwaukee County is a county in the U.S. state of Wisconsin. As of the 2010 census, the population was 947,735 and was estimated to be 956,406 in 2014.[1] It is the most populous county in Wisconsin and the 45th most populous in the United States. Its county seat is Milwaukee,[2] which is also the most populous city in the state. The county was created in 1834 as part of Michigan Territory and organized the following year.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee_County,_Wisconsin

Large in terms of Wisconsin, but not in terms of Los Angeles, Ca. It is a city. I expected it to be larger than that.

rpannier

(24,338 posts)
36. Let me guess... You don't know what you're talking about
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:07 AM
Apr 2016

But let me help
Sanders won Dane County... Home to Madison, WI. He got over 100,000 votes. It had the 2nd largest voter turnout of any county in Wisconsin and he won it. It's also often referred to as the most liberal. He got 63% of the vote.
Clinton did win Milwaukee with the largest turn out. She got about 52% of the vote in that county
Sanders won Brown County which is where Green Bay is. He won that with about 57% of the vote in the county
Sanders won Racine by about 2%, they had about 28000 voters show
Clinton's win in Buffalo County was by about 13%. They had less than 3,000 people show and it was one of the bottom 10 turnout counties
She won Polk County where a whopping 5,000+ people turned out
Sanders won Washington, Waukesha, Ozaukee, the counties (along with Racine) that border Milwaukee.
He won Kenosha, Walworth and Rock counties which are the furthest southeast and closest to Cook County, IL
He won every county that had more than 20,000 people vote, except for Milwaukee

To summarize
Sanders won big, small, medium. He won almost every urban and rural setting. He won every suburban county. He won by huge margins and small margins. He won north, south, east and west. He won the most states that border Illinois, that border Minnesota, the border water.
He won Packer country, Bear Country (as few as there are in WI), Viking Country (there are Viking strong holds on the west).
There really isn't any demographic he did not win

Nice try though

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
44. I live in the City of Eau Claire, downtown. 67,000 residents, metro area 100K.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

County total, 63% Sanders.

A smarter strategy for Clinton partisans would be to figure out how Sanders is winning in battleground States rather than writing off his supporters. Maybe the Clinton campaign will do this too. Why not!!

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
7. Actually she only won 1 by 4.points
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:22 AM
Apr 2016

The other two there are errors in the reporting and will change to Bernie

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
15. the interactive map I looked at about an hour shows her winning only POLK County
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:31 AM
Apr 2016

Now I'm confused as to which one is accurate?

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
45. Hi Dragonfli, here's the link.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2016/apr/05/wisconsin-primary-results-live-election-2016

Hissyspit gave it to me last night with the announcement of Bernie's win.

This morning's read is Polk County went to Sanders sometime after I shut down my computer for the night, with Clinton only winning Milwaukee County. !


Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
46. I see, so they are feigning ignorance of the law regarding suing a manufacturer for a legal product
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

being misused by a criminal, in order to smear an anti- gun politician that even wants a ban on assault weapons among other things. How very Brovian of them.

One can not sue a manufacturer of a legal product, like a car, a gun, a case of whiskey, a cigarette, an axe, a wood-chipper, a crowbar, or whatever, when someone uses the legal product to commit a crime or harm themselves with.

If the product is faulty, and causes injury to oneself for others, then yes.

Not being ignorant of he law one then realizes that the way to stop the crime is to make the product either illegal, or very restricted and regulated. Such is reality, and he holds the same stance as Obama regarding how to combat gun crime in a country that won't allow us to make them illegal like in sane countries because of that pesky Constitution (and mis-interpreted by our highest court) it's second amendment.

Daily News: So speaking of New York and issues important to New York and speaking of death. Last year, after the Oregon Community College shootings, you promised a comprehensive gun control agenda. When are we going to see that and what can you tell us...

Sanders: Well, I've talked about it, you have seen it. What the agenda is is very similar to where to where President Obama is. President Obama said at that Oregon speech…… with a great deal of emotion. That he thought this was an issue that's never going to be permanently solved. Nobody can guarantee that some lunatic is not going to pick up a gun today and kill people. But we have to do the best that we can to prevent those type of killings. And what we do, in my view, is significantly strengthen and expand the instant background check. What we do is do away with the gun show loophole, where people now are buying guns from unlicensed dealers. What we do is do away with the straw man provision, where you can buy a gun legally and then sell it to somebody who's a criminal. I think what we also is significantly expand mental health capabilities to try to address the fact that we have thousands of people walking in this country today who are suicidal and homicidal. So I support pretty much the President's agenda.

Daily News: Just to be clear, the press release your campaign put out the day of that announcement of the forthcoming comprehensive plan, you made that announcement, those were the four points you made then. Have you moved any further beyond that?

Sanders: Well, I don't know that anyone has moved...I think that's the President's vision, that's my position.

Daily News: There's a case currently waiting to be ruled on in Connecticut. The victims of the Sandy Hook massacre are looking to have the right to sue for damages the manufacturers of the weapons. Do you think that that is something that should be expanded?

Sanders: Do I think the victims of a crime with a gun should be able to sue the manufacturer, is that your question?

Daily News: Correct.

Sanders: No, I don't.

Daily News: Let me ask you. I know we're short on time. Two quick questions. Your website talks about...

Sanders: No, let me just...I'm sorry. In the same sense that if you're a gun dealer and you sell me a gun and I go out and I kill him [gestures to someone in room]…. Do I think that that gun dealer should be sued for selling me a legal product that he misused? [Shakes head no.] But I do believe that gun manufacturers and gun dealers should be able to be sued when they should know that guns are going into the hands of wrong people. So if somebody walks in and says, "I'd like 10,000 rounds of ammunition," you know, well, you might be suspicious about that. So I think there are grounds for those suits, but not if you sell me a legal product. But you're really saying...

Daily News: Do you think that the discussion and debate about what defines a legal product, what should be a legal product, hence AR-15s, these automatic military-style weapons...which is the grounds of this suit at the moment is that this should have never been in the hands of the public.

Sanders: Well, you're looking at a guy...let's talk about guns for one second. Let’s set the record straight because of…unnamed candidates who have misrepresented my views. You're looking at a guy who has a D, what was it, D minus voting record from the NRA? Not exactly a lobbyist for the NRA, not exactly supporting them.

But it's interesting that you raised that question. If you'll remember this, if you were in Vermont in 1988 [gestures to Vermonter in the room], three people were running for the United States Congress. We have one seat, Vermont. Two of them supported assault weapons. One candidate, Bernie Sanders, said, in 1988, "No, I do not support the sale and distribution of assault weapons in this country." I lost that election by three points. Came in second. And that may have been the reason, that I was opposed by all of the gun people, okay? So to answer your question, I do not believe, I didn't believe then and I don't believe now that those guns should be sold in America. They're designed for killing people.


Daily News: So do you think then, with that in mind, that the merits of the current case are baseless?

Sanders: It's not baseless. I wouldn't use that word. But it's a backdoor way. If you're questioning me, will I vote to ban assault weapons in the United States, yeah, I will.


 

senz

(11,945 posts)
8. Massive wins, huge margins, near clean sweeps, one after another, seven straight in a row.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:22 AM
Apr 2016

Something is happening, and they cannot ignore it.

But the media is trying to ignore it. Trying to ignore the people!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
16. Right now the popular margin is 57-43. If that margin carries over into delegates,
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:37 AM
Apr 2016
Bernie will get 49 and Hillary 39.

BOF! That's French for "So what"

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
18. That's French for "your pathetic candidate cannot win ANYTHING north or west of Cincinnati"
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:57 AM
Apr 2016

without completely fucking the voters as Arizona did.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
32. Yes, but IS there anything north or west of Cincinnati?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:52 AM
Apr 2016

It's not Manhattan, I know that. What's out there? Maybe some plywood and dirt, I'm not sure.



Number23

(24,544 posts)
24. This is so weird. Every single poll said that Sanders needed to win by HUGE margins to catch up
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:30 AM
Apr 2016

In what universe is 13% HUGE?? In what universe is you getting 45 delegates and your opponent getting 31 when you are down 250+ delegates HUGE???

Number23

(24,544 posts)
47. And I don't think that Bernie himself could have scripted a state more custom made for him
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

A 13% win when you needed a blow out and a whole TEN delegate advantage when you're more than 250 behind ain't nothing to write home about.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
28. Where did you get that delegate count from? Wisconsin has 86 pledged delegates, not 76.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:43 AM
Apr 2016

If Sanders can just beat Clinton in New York, that will put him on a nine state winning streak (if you include the fact that he is now going to win Nevada). His momentum will then be unstoppable, and Clinton will need to summon every dirty trick in the DNC's playbook just to win in Kentucky and Maryland.

Only in corporate media addicted America could anyone conclude that the candidate who has just won EVERY SINGLE PRIMARY since 3/15 (other than the Arizona primary in response to which the DOJ has just launched an investigation into rampant election day voter suppression) all by over 14% margins somehow cannot possibly win.

If Sanders can just win New York by the same margin that he won just won Wisconsin, there is no possible way that Clinton will emerge with more pledged delegates, and even less possible way that she could be conceivably viewed as the superior Democratic general election candidate by any Democrat with any firing nerve cells located above her or his neck.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
50. That's not accurate. He needed 56% to keep that target
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:42 PM
Apr 2016

And he got it. He still needs 56% of the remaining pledged delegates. He closed the gap to 214. It was a great night. And Hillary continues her losing streak.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
51. In a state like Wisconsin, a 25+ point blow out should have been reachable.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:44 PM
Apr 2016

And if being 250 delegates ahead and 2.5 million VOTES ahead is somehow bad for Hillary, I'm sure she's hoping that bad streak continues through June.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
54. It's 214, now. No one can deny it has been a bad three weeks for her.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016

She's only won 2 counties out of 199. She is being wholly rejected in late races. Lucky for her she built a padding of delegates early. She was as many as 335 ahead, Bernie has cut a third off.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
56. It's 219 not 214. And that is still a huge lead
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:09 AM
Apr 2016

She may have had a bad three weeks but she's had plenty of good ones before that. And the good ones were more than enough to give her a massive lead.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
58. Actually, it's 212 (since you appear to be a stickler for accuracy)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 03:18 AM
Apr 2016
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

According to 538, as of 12:15 AM 4/8/2016

1301 Clinton
1089 Sanders
-------
212

Don't be surprised if the count changes as district/county/state conventions are held and numbers are finalized.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
60. Green Papers and Five Thirty Eight
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:03 AM
Apr 2016

It's fluid as process progresses through district/county/state conventions. NY Times hasn't updated initial allocation.

Of course, they are all in the same ballpark.

After looking around, I actually think greenpapers.com may be most up to date. They've got it at 216. Five Thirty Eight is still at 212.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml
1310 Hillary
1094 Sanders
----
216

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
1308
1096
-----
212

Response to mhatrw (Original post)

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
33. I see 86 pledged delegates at stake.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:53 AM
Apr 2016

It's strange that I don't see any major media outlet predicting how all 86 will eventually be apportioned.

Do you have some special insight into this that you would like to share with us?

Response to mhatrw (Reply #33)

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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
39. I'm kidding.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:30 AM
Apr 2016

There's a crowd here for whom Sen. Sanders could never do anything right, except maybe invent a time machine and go back and stop himself from running when ITS HER TURN, DAMMIT

Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #39)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
41. ok, then.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:48 AM
Apr 2016

I've assumed from the beginning that she had better than good odds of getting the nomination, which makes the phenomenally craptastic campaign performance she's displayed all the more distressing--- because I still fear we're gonna be stuck with her as the nominee.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
55. Nooooo! Here is some good news for you that just might change your mind. California will
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:56 PM
Apr 2016

allow Indies to vote in the democratic primary!!!!! And we re talking 475 unpledged delegates up for grabs.





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