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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:21 AM Apr 2016

In Bernie's last 6 wins, Hillary has won only 2 out of 199 counties. (UPDATED - only 1 WI county)

In each state she only took the following:

Wisconsin - 1 of 72
Washington- 0 of 39
Hawaii - 0 of 4
Alaska - 0 of 11
Utah - 0 of 29
Idaho - 1 of 44

Tout her padded lead all you want, it is still formidable. However, she is looking like a damaged candidate with these results.

Dismiss these voters because they are white or because it was a caucus or because it was open to independents, but the point remains, she is being badly bruised and not by negative campaigning from Bernie. The voters are bruising her, she is being rejected by these later voting states.

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In Bernie's last 6 wins, Hillary has won only 2 out of 199 counties. (UPDATED - only 1 WI county) (Original Post) morningfog Apr 2016 OP
With hundreds of millions in corp media propaganda, the establishment, and big money backers it Skwmom Apr 2016 #1
Well said madam! Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #43
^^^^^this^^^^^^ nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #45
Kudos to you, Skwmom. You're exactly right. dchill Apr 2016 #52
Worst. Candidate. Ever. frylock Apr 2016 #54
It is as if they believe they can run anyone as long as they put enough money and media behind them GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #56
They want a woman so they can cry sexism anytime she is criticized for selling out the public. Skwmom Apr 2016 #57
where is the fourth? virtualobserver Apr 2016 #2
Thank you for catching my error. It was in Idaho. Edited. morningfog Apr 2016 #3
the last refuge for Hillary supporters holed up in Idaho virtualobserver Apr 2016 #6
Counties?.....might as well tally zip codes , they just as relevant Nt pkdu Apr 2016 #4
It is relevant to delegate allocation. morningfog Apr 2016 #5
Delegate count says otherwise. Feel the Math. Nt pkdu Apr 2016 #10
Ignore her recent pitiful performance. That's fine. morningfog Apr 2016 #11
She is getting battered against the rocks. nt artislife Apr 2016 #22
More states, more votes and more delegates. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #7
Look at the trend, though. I am not an idiot so I don't deny where we are morningfog Apr 2016 #9
It says that she is held to a different standard and always has been. Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #12
No need for you to editorialize my thoughts. morningfog Apr 2016 #13
She won three states by over 60%: Arkansas, Kentucky, and West Virginia XemaSab Apr 2016 #15
What are you talking about? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #46
Imagine that. A candidate who has been groomed for 20+ years to be President.. frylock Apr 2016 #55
Someone said 2 counties will go for Bernie after clerical errors are corrected GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #8
. Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #16
Acres do not vote. People do. baldguy Apr 2016 #14
You guys have been using that number... Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #17
Because, like it or not, people keep voting for Clinton. baldguy Apr 2016 #20
Because they don't include caucuses where in many states popular vote is not recorded. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #26
We don't nominate by popular vote either. morningfog Apr 2016 #18
Delegates are allocated by popular vote. More votes = more delegates. baldguy Apr 2016 #21
If she is our nominee in, you will find out how hard math really will be. artislife Apr 2016 #23
Delegate count per state is not based solely on population. And allocation is by state. morningfog Apr 2016 #24
And if you look at a real analysis of the votes. . that numbers is more of a propaganda than reality pdsimdars Apr 2016 #47
Huh. Orsino Apr 2016 #19
This is fascinating. Thanks. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #25
I guess we should install President McCain dsc Apr 2016 #27
And there goes the point right over your head! morningfog Apr 2016 #30
again Obama lost counties dsc Apr 2016 #41
You just helped make my point. Although he lost the states, he at least appeared viable. morningfog Apr 2016 #42
It's down to 3 according to NYTimes... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #28
Hillary won just ONE county in Wisconsin. mhatrw Apr 2016 #29
Interesting, I will keep an eye on it. morningfog Apr 2016 #32
And yet, Hillary is far ahead. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2016 #31
No shit! As I said in the OP. She is less far ahead than she was though. Down from 335 to 215. morningfog Apr 2016 #33
She's not floundering, she's winning. n/t Lil Missy Apr 2016 #34
She is "leading" because of her padded delegate count from early on. morningfog Apr 2016 #35
She looks like a damaged candidate because she IS one. She will probably Still In Wisconsin Apr 2016 #36
How many counties does a candidate need to win to clinch the nomination? Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #37
Apparently reading comprehension is harder than MATH! morningfog Apr 2016 #38
And yet rock Apr 2016 #39
And now it's only 2... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #40
Nothing to see here. Move along. The Midway Rebel Apr 2016 #44
As we say in the g.e., when the Repubs post those big mostly-red maps Tarc Apr 2016 #48
I would agree if that were the point. The point is not that she won few counties, she's won none morningfog Apr 2016 #49
I'll give you a baseball analogy Tarc Apr 2016 #50
A "few grand slams" would give you at least 12 runs, not 10. morningfog Apr 2016 #51
You have no chance Tarc Apr 2016 #58
Within in 10 points in NY and 6 in PA. Things are looking good. morningfog Apr 2016 #59
Things always look good when you cherry-pick the polls you like Tarc Apr 2016 #60
RCP has NY at 11 and PA at 17. Not cherries. And still good! morningfog Apr 2016 #61
You'll never hear that fact coming from any of the news stations. liberal_at_heart Apr 2016 #53

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
1. With hundreds of millions in corp media propaganda, the establishment, and big money backers it
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:01 PM - Edit history (1)

REALLY demonstrates what a terrible candidate she is.

dchill

(38,532 posts)
52. Kudos to you, Skwmom. You're exactly right.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016

With more unfair advantages than a reasonable person would ask for, HRC is drowning in shallow water. She has also had 8 years to retool her image and her campaign style, yet she has changed nothing. Not for the better, anyway. Her unfitness to be the Democratic nominee is patently obvious, her political baggage weighing down her campaign train to the point of stress fracture.

When all you've got left is calling in chits to buy ugly smears (as "artful" as they may be), it's time to lay down your load. Give this country a break, and go spend more time with your Family.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
56. It is as if they believe they can run anyone as long as they put enough money and media behind them
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:40 PM
Apr 2016

The oligarchs likely want a weak or weakened POTUS who will continue to need their money and media after the election. On that criteria she does well.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
5. It is relevant to delegate allocation.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

And it shows that the contests are not close, she is being rejected across the entirety of each state.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
11. Ignore her recent pitiful performance. That's fine.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

Indeed, the math tells the story. She went from 335 ahead to 215. The national and state polls are tightening. She's damaged goods, even if she can keep her padded lead.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
9. Look at the trend, though. I am not an idiot so I don't deny where we are
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016

or how we got here.

But a formidable front-runner with her resources and lead should not be getting beaten so badly this last in the contest. It says something about her whether you choose to admit it or not.

Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
12. It says that she is held to a different standard and always has been.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

She beat Obama in a many races towards the end of the primary in 2008, yet people were calling for her to drop out. Why isn't Sander's receiving the same treatment? Obama had a much smaller lead on her, yet it was game over then.

Why don't you just admit it, you dislike her and would go along with any narrative that helps you achieve what you really want.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
13. No need for you to editorialize my thoughts.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

Yes, of course I dislike her as a candidate. I think she is a horrible candidate and I don't trust her. I think she is a liability in the fall and is burdened with scandals.

A Clinton presidency would be total gridlock and constant investigations.

I strongly disagree with her on trade and foreign policy. I agree with her in social issues.

Obviously I am supporting Bernie. I voted for him in my primary.

She is not held to a different standard, so don't play that poor her thing. People have been calling on Bernie to drop out since SC.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
46. What are you talking about?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

I agree that she is held to a different standard, to a much lower standard. She didn't drop out last time but has been calling on Bernie to drop out for at least a month now.

They have been bashing and ignoring Bernie since day one. She hasn't. The DNC is the only thing keeping her afloat.

Would anyone be allowed to stay in the race while being investigated by the FBI?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
55. Imagine that. A candidate who has been groomed for 20+ years to be President..
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

with the entire party apparatus behind her and a fawning lapdog media carrying her water is being held to a different standard.

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
8. Someone said 2 counties will go for Bernie after clerical errors are corrected
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

So that means she only won 2 counties

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
17. You guys have been using that number...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:53 AM
Apr 2016

for about a month now.

How come after his total domination of her the last three weeks....she's still up by 2.5 million. How does that work? Several of his wins have been total blowouts. That number has to have moved a bit.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
20. Because, like it or not, people keep voting for Clinton.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:07 AM
Apr 2016

I know math is hard, but it usually works better than wishes.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
26. Because they don't include caucuses where in many states popular vote is not recorded.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

Perhaps they will kindly update their total after yesterday's primary...

... or maybe not because it won't help their meme.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
23. If she is our nominee in, you will find out how hard math really will be.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

Because there are a whole lot more repubs and independents with the apathetic Left that she will not win the GE.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
24. Delegate count per state is not based solely on population. And allocation is by state.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

There is no measurable mathematical correlation between the total popular vote and the total delegate allocation.

You are the math challenged one here, apparently.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
47. And if you look at a real analysis of the votes. . that numbers is more of a propaganda than reality
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
19. Huh.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

I wouldn't call her a damaged candidate...just an old-fashioned one being overtaken, maybe, by a new sort of campaign. But her lead is still formidable.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
30. And there goes the point right over your head!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

You must have ducked to miss it.

The point is about the trend of the race. The formidable front runner is losing badly in a series of late voting states. These are not squeakers. She is not taking any counties (or hardly any) in these states.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
41. again Obama lost counties
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

more than he won. He lost counties in Ohio by 79 to 20. He won 18 counties in PA. Counties don't matter.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
42. You just helped make my point. Although he lost the states, he at least appeared viable.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary did take all the WV counties, but she did not shut him out in a series of six states.

IT's the breadth of her recent losses that is notable.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
28. It's down to 3 according to NYTimes...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

... and I believe Polk county will be corrected also soon.

And then it will be 2 counties.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
33. No shit! As I said in the OP. She is less far ahead than she was though. Down from 335 to 215.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

Which is the point. She would not be floundering so badly this late in the contest is she is a good candidate. She is not.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
35. She is "leading" because of her padded delegate count from early on.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

Over the past 6 contests, she is floundering. Getting her ass kicked. Landslide losses. Embarrassing numbers for the leader.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
36. She looks like a damaged candidate because she IS one. She will probably
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:11 AM
Apr 2016

still get the nomination, but she is undeniably damaged. She's not going to win the GE if she only gets votes from urban centers, because she will NOT win the deep south.

Hillary needs to broaden her appeal and she simply isn't/won't/can't.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
38. Apparently reading comprehension is harder than MATH!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

That wasn't my claim and your response is a non sequitur.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
40. And now it's only 2...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

... unbelievable.

Only 1 county in Wisconsin.

Thanks to the OP for editing the thread title.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
49. I would agree if that were the point. The point is not that she won few counties, she's won none
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

essentially in these six recent states. These contests are not even close. Even you cannot deny this makes her look very bad.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
50. I'll give you a baseball analogy
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary is up 10-0 after the 1st inning, the runs scores on a few grand slams and several errors by the opposing team.

He gets more hits than Hillary, but also left lots of runners on base (i.e. potential scores that didn't happen).

With all those hits, Bernie gets a single run in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th innings.

Result, Hillary wins 10-9.


In both cases, a metric (counties and hits, respectively) is being touted that is made to look impressive by the plain number of them, but in the end really doesn't count for anything. You play a game of baseball with the goal of scoring more runs than the other side. You enter a a primary with the goal in mind of winning delegates than the other side. There is no other metric that matters.

And with that, we turn to football and a closer by Herm Edwards;



 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
51. A "few grand slams" would give you at least 12 runs, not 10.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:38 PM
Apr 2016

And we aren't in the ninth inning yet.

An announcer calling the game would see three innings in the middle where the leading team was shut down 1-2-3, while the trailing team added runs, cutting the lead by a third. In real time, prior to the end of the game, the leading team would replace the pitcher who looks worn out, run down and who is risking blowing the game.

We have many more inning to play. The last six states were not "close losses" for HIllary, but blowouts. She was pummeled, it was not even close. She does not look like a front runner any more, delegate count notwithstanding.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
58. You have no chance
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

Let's be blunt here.

The game is already winding down, Sanders just can't come to terms with that yet.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
60. Things always look good when you cherry-pick the polls you like
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

and discount the ones you do not.

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