2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton panic in NY is obvious now
Her "firewall" is crumbling. Bernie won 45% of the non white vote in WI. If that holds Bernie will win comfortably in NY.
70% of Voters in NY are white / 30% non white
If he wins whites 60/40 like he did in WI & 45/55 non whites he comes out with 55% of the total vote.
2 weeks of campaigning should move the needle even further!
Avalux
(35,015 posts)She simply must somehow convince NYers that Bernie is coo-coo bananas, it's all she's got.
Problem with that is, we've seen the more she attacks, the more it helps Bernie. Hillary is in a very tough spot where smears are the only path forward.
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)people get used to that. After a while, you can come into contact with someone and smile and say, "Good Morning", and the response you will get is, "WTF is that supposed to mean?" If Hillary was a DU member she would be a giant, mocking ROFL smiley of a poster and would be ignored very quickly by most.
I take offense to that!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)That is incorrect, ergo:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/05/us/elections/wisconsin-democratic-primary-exit-polls.html?_r=0
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)...secure in the knowledge that white American politicians will take notice of them one out of every four years, like clockwork. Even if said politicians, and the rest of us, are a bit hazy on the numbers.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,339 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,339 posts)Take it easy boys, me and the sherriff take a dim view to show offs with guns (from one of my favorite movies)
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)number regarding "it's not dark enough brownie!!!" bullshit melanin purity test the poster uses to assign consideration of someone as a "true" PoC minority meme that is as divisive as it was meant to be.
I am a rainbow coalition kinda' guy and don't like the attempts at division just for a teen like heart throb love of a candidate.
Sorry to Jeff or anyone else that misunderstood my attempt, in my defense I was rushing out the door for an appointment when I posted it and should have worded it better.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)They continue to crack me up, becuase otherwise I would have to cry
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Am I wrong?
I'm not wrong about this: there has to be an end to the melanin tests as to whether a person has a right to speak.
Unless you support Hillary Rodham Clinton. In that case you can say any kind of shit.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)Let's see if you get a response.
beedle
(1,235 posts)lol
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Thanks for disrespecting, deligitimizing, and dehumanizing me. I can feel your empathy and love, or should I say paucity of it.
Aren't you going to do the empathetic and liberal thing and try to assuage my injured feelings?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)"Non-white" might cover a few more groups...
beedle
(1,235 posts)the number "43".All numbers in the 40-50 range are not "45"!!!
Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but sometimes saying 'cut it out" is just not enough.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Are you sad you spent moments of your life you will never get back demeaning a stranger on an anonymous message board and do you think that was a liberal and empathetic thing to have done?
beedle
(1,235 posts)right back at you and your so-called "hurt feelings".
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)As an empathetic individual I rather be the subject of your wrath than somebody else. That's why I won't regret the time we spent in our tête-à-tête.
beedle
(1,235 posts)Is that still called a "Jesus Complex" or has it been changed to a "Hillary Complex"?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Maybe you should ponder that question yourself, champ.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)No man or woman stands so tall as when he or she lifts others up.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Wasn't she getting 80% or better in the early primary states?
revbones
(3,660 posts)But not elsewhere in our discussion about the difference between saying something about an opinion and saying something directly about that person. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1660451
Weird huh? Kind of makes people doubt your sincerity.
Which is it? Is language exact enough to justify your comment here or inexact enough to justify your other statements? Your differing views between here and there seem to contradict each other.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I am flattered, I think.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Its non existent
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Not in someone who is trying to earn your vote to become your boss.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)How do you see:
1) the state going
2) NYC going?
I'll go first:
1) State: Clinton 55.4, Sanders 44.6
2) City: Clinton 65, Sanders 35
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Long Island will be even, and NYC will be strong for Bernie, 60-40. Even if true, it's probably not good enough to make up the difference in delegates, but it WILL demonstrate the power of his message and ideas.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)on how things will shake down here--I actually have Bernie winning upstate (which parochially I'm calling everything north of Westchester) by double digits.
We'll see in 13 days.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)CanadaexPat
(496 posts)In NYC. I'd give him Long Island, though.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Seeing as the New York primary is closed, Sanders isn't going to be dealing with the same sort of electorate as he was in Wisconsin. Independents are not allowed to vote in the Democratic primary. Sanders only got tied among Democrats in Wisconsin. The real "firewall" is Democrats and Sanders has a major issue winning Democrats.
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)their Dem registration.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)2 weeks to go and more scandals on the horizon.
Just waiting for those tears.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Hillarys supers.
I assure you, she is not unhappy about such a tiny loss. I'm sure she would have rather won, but she knows that she still has a HUGE lead.
Number23
(24,544 posts)What in the world???
Bernie was expected to win Wisconsin and to be honest, the fact that he only won by 13% and got a whopping 10 delegates in a state that seemed custom made for him is strange as hell. And he once again lost the black vote. But somehow, him losing the black vote YET AGAIN is a good thing and Hillary is the one who's panicking despite being ahead 250 delegates???
Upside freaking down world around here today. Somebody's panicking but I don't think it's who people are so desperately trying to say it is.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)party. She laughed like crazy at the silly notion that someone who has been recruiting, fundraising, and campaigning for Dem candidates for about 40 years was suddenly the party destroyer.
We really have entered silly season.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)with an urgency that sidelines "party unity."
The Clinton campaign is all in -- they are risking their biggest single advantage against Sanders: the myth of Hillary's inevitability.
This is beyond panic, beyond being the first to blink. This is how Clinton went down in 2008 -- slinging mud at Barack. It cost her then and it still resonates. The voters most involved don't forget these things.
When Hillary attacks the Democratic voter base for backing her primary challenger she loses, short term and long term:
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)She may sharpen her rhetoric, but she is all about the differences in their plans. That isnt going to change. She has a huge lead, and she knows it is unlikely to fail her.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)you guys get blown out of the water
and you can't even see it
it is like watching cartoons
dana_b
(11,546 posts)is absolutely one of the most insulting and despicable things I've seen - yet. And we're only on day one of her "Disqualify and defeat" strategy. ick.
Zira
(1,054 posts)It is nice to watch her go further into it, daily.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)NYers are hard to bamboozle.
Albany metro area is contiguous to VT.
Bernie sounds NYC. It will help him gain momentum.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)He still sounds like Brooklyn.
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)It's important to remember 2 key details:
1) Wisconsin was an open primary with same-day registration (albeit with onerous regulations)
and
2) New York's voter registration deadline has passed and it's a closed primary.
Sanders will win but the landslide percentage has me worried.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)and laughter.