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kcjohn1

(751 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:03 PM Apr 2016

Clinton panic in NY is obvious now

Her "firewall" is crumbling. Bernie won 45% of the non white vote in WI. If that holds Bernie will win comfortably in NY.

70% of Voters in NY are white / 30% non white
If he wins whites 60/40 like he did in WI & 45/55 non whites he comes out with 55% of the total vote.

2 weeks of campaigning should move the needle even further!

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Clinton panic in NY is obvious now (Original Post) kcjohn1 Apr 2016 OP
I agree. That's why Hillary is clinging to the NYDN. Avalux Apr 2016 #1
When all you have is mean, Yuugal Apr 2016 #9
Heyyyy... smiley Apr 2016 #47
That is incorrect. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #2
Still believe that the only non-white voters are black then? (nt) jeff47 Apr 2016 #3
African-American voters must feel flattered... Orsino Apr 2016 #4
POC like me don't matter, I'm only brown so..... fuck me I guess eh jeff? /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #5
I think you may have meant to respond to DSB. Jeff is on your side. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #6
I'm pretty sure she was agreeing with Jeff. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #17
Thanks. I got that one wrong and I appreciate the correction. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #38
That's ok. People are on a hair trigger these days. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #39
No I meant it like in "can you believe this shit Jeff" sort of way, implying we both had the posters Dragonfli Apr 2016 #33
Sorry I messed that up. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #37
Well we both know we don't matter nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #52
the white noise is getting harder to hear every day Nadin Dragonfli Apr 2016 #56
It lulz me to sleep at this point nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #57
Yet from what I understand, the guy is as "white" as Hillary Rodham Clinton. delrem Apr 2016 #60
I don't know the answer as I missed any posts where the poster revealed his/her heritage. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #61
Facts are tricksy business and some don't like to admit they're wrong. revbones Apr 2016 #51
Maybe you need to take a racial sensitivity course? beedle Apr 2016 #7
Your associate said the numbers were 55-45 DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #8
And you provided a link that only gave stats for White and African American voters to "refute" it. jeff47 Apr 2016 #11
And I'll PM him about his dismissive attitude toward beedle Apr 2016 #12
I don't believe you are serious about trying to assuage my hurt feelings. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #13
you can read me look a book. beedle Apr 2016 #14
Are you sad you spent moments of your life demeaning a stranger on an anonymous message board... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #16
passive aggressive much? beedle Apr 2016 #21
Au contraire... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #22
stop it, you're making me cry. beedle Apr 2016 #25
All I can do is my part to make the world a kinder and gentler place.../nt DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #29
Look at your post count, and then look at theirs. Marr Apr 2016 #31
I try to lift others up. If I have a regret it is that I don't have more time. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #32
So Hillary only got 57% of the non-white vote in Wisconsin. That's a huge drop! imagine2015 Apr 2016 #19
Weird that you are so exact in language here. revbones Apr 2016 #26
A fan. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #27
His sincerity isnt in doubt SwampG8r Apr 2016 #42
bookmarking nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #10
Her desperation is NOT attractive. closeupready Apr 2016 #15
Friendly wager between NYers: geek tragedy Apr 2016 #18
No idea, but upstate is likely to lean Clinton by 5%, closeupready Apr 2016 #20
Interesting, so we have exactly opposite views geek tragedy Apr 2016 #23
... closeupready Apr 2016 #24
I agree, I think he'll beat her upstate and lose by a bit CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #53
Two different states KingFlorez Apr 2016 #28
Since the Dem primary is often the de facto general election, I'd wager many 'independents' keep CanadaexPat Apr 2016 #34
Bernie is going to kick some ass Politicalboi Apr 2016 #30
I love all the Hillary is in panic posts today. Bernie gained 10 yesterday, only 6 when you add in Lucinda Apr 2016 #35
I know! I just logged on and every third post in GDP is "Hillary is PANICKING!!!111" Number23 Apr 2016 #40
Bernie's guy was on the tele this morning talking about how Hillary's ambition might destroy the Dem Lucinda Apr 2016 #41
they have to pump themselves up, better than looking at the math geek tragedy Apr 2016 #44
it isn't so much the string of losses as CNN's announcement that they want to"Disqualify and defeat" GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #46
Get back to me when it is more than "CNN Says" Lucinda Apr 2016 #48
lol -fubar SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #59
The fact that she is trying to paint him as a gun nut who doesn't care about children dana_b Apr 2016 #36
It's profound desperation Zira Apr 2016 #54
yes it is indeed azurnoir Apr 2016 #43
I think it'll be close.. speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #45
''You can take the man out of Brooklyn...'' Octafish Apr 2016 #49
I Concur But With Stipulations corbettkroehler Apr 2016 #50
One more fact - no early voting either, that should help Sanders. NT. Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #58
republicans read this crap with great joy MFM008 Apr 2016 #55

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
1. I agree. That's why Hillary is clinging to the NYDN.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

She simply must somehow convince NYers that Bernie is coo-coo bananas, it's all she's got.

Problem with that is, we've seen the more she attacks, the more it helps Bernie. Hillary is in a very tough spot where smears are the only path forward.

 

Yuugal

(2,281 posts)
9. When all you have is mean,
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

people get used to that. After a while, you can come into contact with someone and smile and say, "Good Morning", and the response you will get is, "WTF is that supposed to mean?" If Hillary was a DU member she would be a giant, mocking ROFL smiley of a poster and would be ignored very quickly by most.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
4. African-American voters must feel flattered...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

...secure in the knowledge that white American politicians will take notice of them one out of every four years, like clockwork. Even if said politicians, and the rest of us, are a bit hazy on the numbers.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,339 posts)
39. That's ok. People are on a hair trigger these days.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:34 PM
Apr 2016

Take it easy boys, me and the sherriff take a dim view to show offs with guns (from one of my favorite movies)

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
33. No I meant it like in "can you believe this shit Jeff" sort of way, implying we both had the posters
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

number regarding "it's not dark enough brownie!!!" bullshit melanin purity test the poster uses to assign consideration of someone as a "true" PoC minority meme that is as divisive as it was meant to be.

I am a rainbow coalition kinda' guy and don't like the attempts at division just for a teen like heart throb love of a candidate.

Sorry to Jeff or anyone else that misunderstood my attempt, in my defense I was rushing out the door for an appointment when I posted it and should have worded it better.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
52. Well we both know we don't matter
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016
to the invisible people

They continue to crack me up, becuase otherwise I would have to cry

delrem

(9,688 posts)
60. Yet from what I understand, the guy is as "white" as Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:07 AM
Apr 2016

Am I wrong?

I'm not wrong about this: there has to be an end to the melanin tests as to whether a person has a right to speak.
Unless you support Hillary Rodham Clinton. In that case you can say any kind of shit.


 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
51. Facts are tricksy business and some don't like to admit they're wrong.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:39 PM
Apr 2016

Let's see if you get a response.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
8. Your associate said the numbers were 55-45
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016
Maybe you need to take a racial sensitivity course?



Thanks for disrespecting, deligitimizing, and dehumanizing me. I can feel your empathy and love, or should I say paucity of it.

Aren't you going to do the empathetic and liberal thing and try to assuage my injured feelings?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. And you provided a link that only gave stats for White and African American voters to "refute" it.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

"Non-white" might cover a few more groups...

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
12. And I'll PM him about his dismissive attitude toward
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

the number "43".All numbers in the 40-50 range are not "45"!!!

Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but sometimes saying 'cut it out" is just not enough.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
16. Are you sad you spent moments of your life demeaning a stranger on an anonymous message board...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

Are you sad you spent moments of your life you will never get back demeaning a stranger on an anonymous message board and do you think that was a liberal and empathetic thing to have done?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
22. Au contraire...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

As an empathetic individual I rather be the subject of your wrath than somebody else. That's why I won't regret the time we spent in our tête-à-tête.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
25. stop it, you're making me cry.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:07 PM
Apr 2016

Is that still called a "Jesus Complex" or has it been changed to a "Hillary Complex"?

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
31. Look at your post count, and then look at theirs.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you should ponder that question yourself, champ.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,711 posts)
32. I try to lift others up. If I have a regret it is that I don't have more time.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:26 PM
Apr 2016

No man or woman stands so tall as when he or she lifts others up.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
19. So Hillary only got 57% of the non-white vote in Wisconsin. That's a huge drop!
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

Wasn't she getting 80% or better in the early primary states?
 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
26. Weird that you are so exact in language here.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

But not elsewhere in our discussion about the difference between saying something about an opinion and saying something directly about that person. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1660451

Weird huh? Kind of makes people doubt your sincerity.

Which is it? Is language exact enough to justify your comment here or inexact enough to justify your other statements? Your differing views between here and there seem to contradict each other.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
15. Her desperation is NOT attractive.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

Not in someone who is trying to earn your vote to become your boss.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. Friendly wager between NYers:
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

How do you see:

1) the state going
2) NYC going?

I'll go first:

1) State: Clinton 55.4, Sanders 44.6
2) City: Clinton 65, Sanders 35



 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. No idea, but upstate is likely to lean Clinton by 5%,
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

Long Island will be even, and NYC will be strong for Bernie, 60-40. Even if true, it's probably not good enough to make up the difference in delegates, but it WILL demonstrate the power of his message and ideas.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. Interesting, so we have exactly opposite views
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

on how things will shake down here--I actually have Bernie winning upstate (which parochially I'm calling everything north of Westchester) by double digits.

We'll see in 13 days.



KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
28. Two different states
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

Seeing as the New York primary is closed, Sanders isn't going to be dealing with the same sort of electorate as he was in Wisconsin. Independents are not allowed to vote in the Democratic primary. Sanders only got tied among Democrats in Wisconsin. The real "firewall" is Democrats and Sanders has a major issue winning Democrats.

CanadaexPat

(496 posts)
34. Since the Dem primary is often the de facto general election, I'd wager many 'independents' keep
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 03:59 PM
Apr 2016

their Dem registration.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
30. Bernie is going to kick some ass
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:14 PM
Apr 2016

2 weeks to go and more scandals on the horizon.

Just waiting for those tears.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
35. I love all the Hillary is in panic posts today. Bernie gained 10 yesterday, only 6 when you add in
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:03 PM
Apr 2016

Hillarys supers.

I assure you, she is not unhappy about such a tiny loss. I'm sure she would have rather won, but she knows that she still has a HUGE lead.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
40. I know! I just logged on and every third post in GDP is "Hillary is PANICKING!!!111"
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:47 PM
Apr 2016

What in the world???

Bernie was expected to win Wisconsin and to be honest, the fact that he only won by 13% and got a whopping 10 delegates in a state that seemed custom made for him is strange as hell. And he once again lost the black vote. But somehow, him losing the black vote YET AGAIN is a good thing and Hillary is the one who's panicking despite being ahead 250 delegates???

Upside freaking down world around here today. Somebody's panicking but I don't think it's who people are so desperately trying to say it is.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
41. Bernie's guy was on the tele this morning talking about how Hillary's ambition might destroy the Dem
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

party. She laughed like crazy at the silly notion that someone who has been recruiting, fundraising, and campaigning for Dem candidates for about 40 years was suddenly the party destroyer.

We really have entered silly season.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
46. it isn't so much the string of losses as CNN's announcement that they want to"Disqualify and defeat"
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016

with an urgency that sidelines "party unity."

The Clinton campaign is all in -- they are risking their biggest single advantage against Sanders: the myth of Hillary's inevitability.

This is beyond panic, beyond being the first to blink. This is how Clinton went down in 2008 -- slinging mud at Barack. It cost her then and it still resonates. The voters most involved don't forget these things.

When Hillary attacks the Democratic voter base for backing her primary challenger she loses, short term and long term:



Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
48. Get back to me when it is more than "CNN Says"
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:10 PM
Apr 2016

She may sharpen her rhetoric, but she is all about the differences in their plans. That isnt going to change. She has a huge lead, and she knows it is unlikely to fail her.

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
59. lol -fubar
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:55 AM
Apr 2016

you guys get blown out of the water

and you can't even see it

it is like watching cartoons

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
36. The fact that she is trying to paint him as a gun nut who doesn't care about children
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:07 PM
Apr 2016

is absolutely one of the most insulting and despicable things I've seen - yet. And we're only on day one of her "Disqualify and defeat" strategy. ick.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
45. I think it'll be close..
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

NYers are hard to bamboozle.

Albany metro area is contiguous to VT.

Bernie sounds NYC. It will help him gain momentum.

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
50. I Concur But With Stipulations
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:37 PM
Apr 2016

It's important to remember 2 key details:

1) Wisconsin was an open primary with same-day registration (albeit with onerous regulations)

and

2) New York's voter registration deadline has passed and it's a closed primary.

Sanders will win but the landslide percentage has me worried.

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