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GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 06:51 PM Apr 2016

"Disqualify and Defeat" isn't "Panic" -- It is the Clinton campaign Betting the Farm.

Last edited Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:35 PM - Edit history (1)

The Clinton campaign is all in -- they are risking their biggest single advantage against Sanders: the myth of Hillary's inevitability. (or maybe internal polls showed that it never took hold) They have spent months telling us how "math" and superdelegates will save Hillary from the will of the people but their new level of intensity says just the opposite. They are busting their own myth.

Any perception of "inevitability" was the biggest thing they had going. You don't need to "disqualify" (?!) your opponent and his voters if you are inevitable. The tone deafness of using the word "disqualify" in the name of their temper tantrum is stunning.

This is beyond panic, beyond being the first to blink. Panic was Iowa and New Hampshire or Michigan. This same kind of failed character assassination thing is how Clinton finished herself in 2008 -- desperately slinging mud at Barack. It didn't work. Really galvanized Obama's support at the end here:



Ultimately hurt Clinton among Dem donors and continues to resonate in the current primary.



Hard to believe Clinton was so okay with losing 60% of her donors over this desperate tactic that they try it again 8 years later.

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"Disqualify and Defeat" isn't "Panic" -- It is the Clinton campaign Betting the Farm. (Original Post) GreatGazoo Apr 2016 OP
That myth left the building a while ago FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #1
april 19 is gonna be fun nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #2
Yes it will be RobertEarl Apr 2016 #4
So is March 1. frylock Apr 2016 #11
Kick. grntuscarora Apr 2016 #3
Thats amazing that such a large number of Obama donors have shut out Hillary, snagglepuss Apr 2016 #5
and the 2012 data in that graphic is all GE donations GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #8
I've been working for the democratic party for years so . . . I deserve to win. snowy owl Apr 2016 #6
You won in 2008 and 2012 Renew Deal Apr 2016 #13
her inevitability is just her press release; but you're right, their desperation contradicts it amborin Apr 2016 #7
Betting the farm is correct quaker bill Apr 2016 #9
yes, they couln't pin the sexism thing on Sanders of course so they went after GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #10
Good post Renew Deal Apr 2016 #12

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
5. Thats amazing that such a large number of Obama donors have shut out Hillary,
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

especially since in her mind she is the heir apparent. I had no idea Obama's donors did this. Thanks for posting.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
8. and the 2012 data in that graphic is all GE donations
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 08:50 PM
Apr 2016

so I think we can assume that many more of those donating in this primary will donate again in this GE if we run Sanders.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
6. I've been working for the democratic party for years so . . . I deserve to win.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 07:48 PM
Apr 2016

It's about issues and our democracy, Hillary. It isn't about reward or ceremony.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
9. Betting the farm is correct
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

It is not exactly a "hail mary pass" yet, but she knows she has to make a stand and change the narrative, now. Yes she is running the risk of flushing good will down the tubes. Worse yet, she does "aggressive" really poorly. She does "victim" way better, but it just isn't playing well enough, because Bernie is too hard to portray as a brute. (He is a socialist from Vermont, and clearly an older guy, so the brute label just does not stick and only sounds whiny, besides everyone knows he is playing softball comparted to what Republicans will do).

So "aggressive" it is. I think it is a poor bet from camp Hill as she is just about the worst messenger for this approach. I am not willing to say that there is no aspect of sexism in this (no sexism on my part, but it does generally exist). I think she just sounds bad when she goes even vaguely Trumpish. To some it may well be that the stuff she will try would work better coming from a male. While perhaps "unfair", it should be clear that there is nothing "fair" about this process. it is not the Special Olympics, and everyone does not get a ribbon. One wins and the rest lose.

She is running to be the first woman President, any notion that this is not a special challenge is simply silly.

Her attacking Bernie unfortunately will not look "powerful" or "commanding" at all, it is more likely to simply look petty and immature.

Her best arguments are experience and pragmatism, they are not great arguments, but they are what she has. A better choice would be to double down there.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
10. yes, they couln't pin the sexism thing on Sanders of course so they went after
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

some of his alleged supporters with hearsay. That didn't get much traction and they had so little to work with that Hillary jumped on Greenpeace last week and claimed THEY were the Sanders campaign.

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